238 replies to this topic

[VinJade]

@KJ
So true,
They want the kill then find us.
Want to run into my trap then look for me.
they think we owe them anything, Hahahahaha.. oh wait they wasn't kidding?

Edited by VinJade, 09 January 2016 - 01:54 AM.

[adamts01]

VinJade, on 09 January 2016 - 01:41 AM, said:

need I remind you that the tips tell you that you can power down to vanish from radar?
also setting up ambushes requires you to power down & hide until they come in range?

that just proves how conflicting & hypocritical PGI is, they say you can do something then they turn around and say you cannot, and all because we have players that whine about it..

make up your minds PGI can we power down to ambush the enemy without breaking TOC or can't we?

Also I don't see why a player who lost every thing has to commit suicide just to appease the whiners.

You're really reading too far in to it. Powering down and hiding as a technique to help defeat the enemy is fine. Powering down because MM ****** you and hiding with your panties in a bunch with no intent on engaging is against COC. I know you're smart enough to know the difference. The rules aren't that vague.

PurpleNinja, on 09 January 2016 - 01:53 AM, said:

You could just move on too, but instead, another useless topic.

I could say the same about your useless post.

Plus, I can't move on to the next match because my mech is locked in game. Otherwise I'd gladly eject, leave, let the little coward kill me or whatever. I'm in it for fun combat, not wins or standing in boxes.

[MrMadguy]

adamts01, on 09 January 2016 - 01:38 AM, said:

You're still here? I felt bad because everyone was picking on you so much, but you're seriously begging for it.

As I said, not knowing the law doesn't exempt from liability. If you don't know, what hiding, avoiding engagement and suicide mean and think, that they're something different, then what they really are - it doesn't mean you won't be banned for violating the rules. Also, if you don't know the rules - don't spread misinformation among other players. They should not be liable for your incompetence.

[VinJade]

Yes I do know, however it seems the whiners don't.
I might hate a map but I won't hide because of it.
I won't move, and I will power down until they get to me but then surprise them when I power back up and take out a couple of heavily damaged mechs before I am destroyed.

I call that a different kind of ambush, lol.

[adamts01]

MrMadguy, on 09 January 2016 - 01:56 AM, said:

As I said, not knowing the law doesn't exempt from liability. If you don't know, what hiding, avoiding engagement and suicide mean and think, that they're something different, then what they really are - it doesn't mean you won't be banned for violating the rules. Also, if you don't know the rules - don't spread misinformation among other players. They should not be liable for your incompetence.

You're really letting your rage against sneaky lights cloud your reason. Please quote what misinformation I spread, and a link to where it's proven to be false.

VinJade, on 09 January 2016 - 01:58 AM, said:

Yes I do know, however it seems the whiners don't.
I might hate a map but I won't hide because of it.
I won't move, and I will power down until they get to me but then surprise them when I power back up and take out a couple of heavily damaged mechs before I am destroyed.

I call that a different kind of ambush, lol.

That's a **** move to pull on your team and counterproductive but technically legal. Do as you wish.

[PurpleNinja]

adamts01, on 09 January 2016 - 01:56 AM, said:

I could say the same about your useless post.
Plus, I can't move on to the next match because my mech is locked in game. Otherwise I'd gladly eject, leave, let the little coward kill me or whatever. I'm in it for fun combat, not wins or standing in boxes.

Sorry man, I didn't realized you had just one mech'.
I'm useless BTW.

[VinJade]

I tell my team what I am doing so its not like I am suddenly just broadsiding them with it.
also it is helpful when protecting the base as the lights always make a bee line for it while the mediums and heavier keep the other team busy.

though outside of that I its true not moving because I hate a map is seen as mean thing to do but its their fault for picking the map as well.

such as the Bog & Terratherma are the only two maps I will ever do that on, no other map.

though in the end I just play to have fun.

Edited by VinJade, 09 January 2016 - 02:09 AM.

[Ghogiel]

VinJade, on 09 January 2016 - 12:24 AM, said:

Which is crap.
I am sorry but it is.
Besides who says if it is to run out the clock?
there is no cut and dry anything.


People could be moving to find a better place for a last stand and keep moving until they find it.

Just report when the match ends once the clock is run out, there is plenty of time, If a player ran the clock out while hiding, they ran it out while hiding, and can get reported.

[Farix]

This is hardly non-participation. It is getting the best outcome that the match allows. In this case, the light was trying to draw you away from the base so that it can finish capturing it. You weren't taking the bait. Strip of all weapons, the light could do nothing else, but get the next best result for his/her team, go for a draw.

When PGI means by non-participation, they mean some very specific events, purposely disconnecting in the middle of a match, going AfD in the middle of a match, purposely suicide by going out of bounds or overheating before engaging the enemy, hiding without EVER engaging the enemy.

[mania3c]

MrMadguy, on 09 January 2016 - 01:56 AM, said:

As I said, not knowing the law doesn't exempt from liability. If you don't know, what hiding, avoiding engagement and suicide mean and think, that they're something different, then what they really are - it doesn't mean you won't be banned for violating the rules. Also, if you don't know the rules - don't spread misinformation among other players. They should not be liable for your incompetence.

only one who is not understanding rules is you by the way

[Crenue]

MrMadguy, on 09 January 2016 - 01:31 AM, said:

Don't tell us BS - don't manipulate the terms the way, you like. According to your logic any engagement with enemies = suicide, so players shouldn't actually fight against each other at all - they should hide for the whole duration of match.

Suicide = die fast to exit the map, you don't like, without any contribution towards win. It's just softer form of quitting match right at it's start.

Engaging with enemies at the end of the match - isn't suicide, sorry. So YOU HAVE TO DO IT, otherwise you will fall under "avoiding engaging with enemies" non-participation violation.

I actually how its getting handled. its BS, but deals with people reporting you. Even being AFK deals with the number of people reporting. Its independent of what happens in the match.

[Darian DelFord]

Please report me when I am the last one alive and hiding. Please report me :>

L2P lights right!

This is right up in the same category as those who think you can't return fire on a friendly who is trying to shoot you.

Now this.... This is reportable

Edited by Darian DelFord, 09 January 2016 - 09:24 AM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Yosharian, on 08 January 2016 - 11:06 AM, said:

Just because it's conquest doesn't mean afk-ing is a legit tactic, not unless you're at least even on points score or have a better capping team left than your opponent.

Some dude bro afking when its 11-0 and the cap score is 500-200 'oh but its conquest so its ok' no its really not.

Why is it not OK? Ignoring the ToC, why is it not OK to hide when there is another method for the enemy to 100% guarantee the win and a minuscule chance for you to change the outcome?

[Crenue]

Jay,

I think you are missing the real issue. Its a Dammed if you do and a Dammed if you don't situation. AFK is a TOC violation, but so is not trying to stay alive. They are both valid violations.

But the issue just come back to is how a lot of Losers want to report you.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Ratchada, on 09 January 2016 - 10:09 AM, said:

Jay,

I think you are missing the real issue. Its a Dammed if you do and a Dammed if you don't situation. AFK is a TOC violation, but so is not trying to stay alive. They are both valid violations.

But the issue just come back to is how a lot of Losers want to report you.

Oh no, I got that from this thread and the last ones, it's just that particular mentality I quoted that escapes my reasoning.

[Edit] Oh wow, back to T4? Man, I suck in Grasshoppers, glad I only have 1 left... then the IIC pack! [/Edit]

Edited by Jay Leon Hart, 09 January 2016 - 11:03 AM.

[GRiPSViGiL]

This is why the dictators are mad at hiding. No BAP.

[Zolaz]

Some mechs are speed tanks. They rely on your awesomeness as a gunner to stay alive. I know that you are upset that people dont stand still for you or just overheat and bow. "Hiding" isnt against TOS, otherwise there wouldnt be any terrain. Standing still and letting 8 or 9 people beat you up has as much point as this thread does.

[TheoLu]

Just implement a function after a set amount of time a mech has been powered down or stationary where it gets picked up by an orbital satellite and its location broadcasted to the enemy team. It would have to move a substantial amount in order to not get picked up by such a satellite.

I'm honestly surprised that with all the technology in the BattleTech Universe orbital satellites or scanning systems have become practically non-existent; you'd think basic positioning data could be relayed by a dropship off the planet at the very least.

Nothing precise enough to provide LRM locks, but at least heatmaps on the map to indicate where there might be a hostile mech or at least a smoldering wreck.

c'mon Piranha Games - you've got an opportunity to do something special with your game. Git!

[Mystere]

adamts01, on 09 January 2016 - 12:17 AM, said:

Someone else mentioned they said something similar in the past. I haven't heard it and they weren't able to link anything. Either way, it doesn't matter because the current COC states otherwise.

https://mwomercs.com/conduct

NON-PARTICIPATION

• Running out the clock, or needlessly extending the duration of the match, in cases where doing so will not assist you towards victory.

That's pretty cut and dry. If you have no way to secure victory, or at least a tie as I would argue, running out the clock is considered non-participation.

Cut and dry?

What about someone hiding and waiting for an ambush and/or divide-and-conquer opportunity that unfortunately never materializes?

[Mystere]

VinJade, on 09 January 2016 - 01:41 AM, said:

need I remind you that the tips tell you that you can power down to vanish from radar?
also setting up ambushes requires you to power down & hide until they come in range?

that just proves how conflicting & hypocritical PGI is, they say you can do something then they turn around and say you cannot, and all because we have players that whine about it..

make up your minds PGI can we power down to ambush the enemy without breaking TOC or can't we?

Also I don't see why a player who lost every thing has to commit suicide just to appease the whiners.

Of course we can, in spite of what the loudest whiners insist.