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[Bishop Steiner]

If we don't fill the 40-45 ton CW need, the very best available Clan MEdium is hands down the 55 ton Vapor Eagle
http://www.sarna.net..._Eagle_(Goshawk)

[Mcgral18]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 10:21 AM, said:

Do you not see whats wrong with that statement McG?

Yes, one usable allows you to meta, but is that how low our bar is set? Sorry, but if that's all we need, we don't even NEED or should want any other mechs, if we are just looking to fit them all into that same cookie cutter.

Also where do those chassis end up with the next inevitable Metashift? Ain't gonna be laservomit forever.

It's nigh on 2 years for the LaserVomit era? Clam invasion ish start? So, 1.5

PPC era went about that long before moving into the moderate nerfs, then the Clan Invasion heralded the Giganerf to speed, and thus obsolete to the buffed LPLs.

At this point, I really don't care what mech we get...but just saying that, for those mech tonnages, 6E hardpoints are all you need...unlike Mr Gargles. How he wishes he could be a BattleMech, an 80+Kph Dual Gauss platform at full armor, with no ammo issues and a backup laser/Peep.


Anyhow, Lasers will likely not be Terribad again, as a whole. Clam Smalls might get giganerfed, because Small lasers shan't ever be allowed to be powerful, but Meds are always a staple.

What the hell else are you going to use with 10 tons of pod space?

[Pariah Devalis]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 13 January 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:

Where are you getting that, I'm only seeing as many as the Sad Cat with the available hardpoints? Either 3M and 2E or 2M and 3E which doesn't inspire much hope though it could end up a better Sad Cat for less tonnage.

Edited it. I miscounted. For some reason I thought we had an E Left Arm, but I was mistaken. Still, 3E2M is then possible.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 13 January 2016 - 10:32 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 09:42 AM, said:

PGI can advertise it as the

Salty Imperial Tears Pack because much QQ.

OUCH! omg my butt.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 10:29 AM, said:

If we don't fill the 40-45 ton CW need, the very best available Clan MEdium is hands down the 55 ton Vapor Eagle
http://www.sarna.net..._Eagle_(Goshawk)

Seconded, good ol' CSV cheese.

[Bishop Steiner]

Ultimatum X, on 13 January 2016 - 10:13 AM, said:

Yes, Russ has stated it doesn't have to be omnimechs.

He has also stated it doesn't have to be in timeline either.

not, strictly speaking 100% true
Russ Bullock ‏@russ_bullock Jan 11
@blackgear15th I said in my tweets - 3053 roughly but most importantly uses tech we have atm

or at least easy to misrepresent like Imperius is intent on. The focus IS still on mechs around 3053ish and before, but yes he will consider others. Really dislike it being represented as "timeline utterly irrelevant" which ain't the case. Not saying that is your intent, but it's easy for people to take it that way.

[Bluttrunken]

Blacklanner for sure. Everything else: *shrug*. Fast and with JJ's preferably.

[LastKhan]

Here in its fullest context. Read slow or very slowly so you dont jump to any conclusions.



Tl: DR; Timeline is up to 3053. Doesnt have to be one of every weight class. Prefers Omnis. and go plebs!

[0bsidion]

Pariah Devalis, on 13 January 2016 - 10:22 AM, said:

Looking over the options for it:

15 tons of pod space with full armor, 15.5 with half a ton shaved. For a 40-ton platform that moves 119 before speed tweak, it's in a great spot.

Prime:
HD: -
CT: -
LT: 1M
RT: 1E
LA: 1M
RA: 1E
LL: -
RL: -

Alpha:
HD: -
CT: 1E 1JJ
LT: 1M 2JJ
RT: 1M 2JJ
LA: -
RA: 1E
LL: 1JJ
RL: 1JJ

Would be pretty easy to mix and match. Can get 3E 2M, actually. Jump jets are easy enough to pod swap to hone in on the exact number of jets you want. Would be nice to see a UAC2 or MGun version just for ballistic hardpoints as an option, and perhaps a more missile based version as well. Still, even with just the two existing variants it has some nice hardpoint omnipod options available.

Well, it looks mostly OK, but we'd be banking a lot on the necessarily PGI made up Config B and possibly C to tackle a painfully anemic hardpoint situation.

Admittedly you could go with a couple big gun energy weapons and do OK as a skirmisher/sniper perhaps. Yeah, that's going to be a bit tough to work with without some fantastic Config B and/or C pod options to beef it up.

[Pariah Devalis]

0bsidion, on 13 January 2016 - 10:55 AM, said:

Well, it looks mostly OK, but we'd be banking a lot on the necessarily PGI made up Config B and possibly C to tackle a painfully anemic hardpoint situation.

Admittedly you could go with a couple big gun energy weapons and do OK as a skirmisher/sniper perhaps. Yeah, that's going to be a bit tough to work with without some fantastic Config B and/or C pod options to beef it up.

At least it would be a sure thing that PGI would make two new variants. If any of them have a LA or LT energy slot, that suddenly makes this a lot more good looking for the mech. I donno, I feel more secure betting that any Coyotl variants they come up with will have necessary variety than betting that the Kingfisher would get ECM or that the Turkina would get fantastic torso twist, and people are willing to bet the farm on some of those assumptions for those mechs.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 13 January 2016 - 10:59 AM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Pariah Devalis, on 13 January 2016 - 10:59 AM, said:

At least it would be a sure thing that PGI would make two new variants.

Why are we so sure that there would be 4 variants? The only Clan Wave that actually happened was on the third and with the latest single packs they have dumped that approach because heroes and no more early adopter only variants.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 13 January 2016 - 11:04 AM.

[Khobai]

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the Turkina would get fantastic torso twist

then why use a dire wolf ever?

the power creep has to stop. they cant keep adding new mechs that invalidate existing chassis.

[Pariah Devalis]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 13 January 2016 - 11:03 AM, said:

Why are we so sure that there would be 4 variants? The only Clan Wave that actually happened was on the third and with the latest single packs they have dumped that approach because heroes and no more early adopter only variants.

Because Russ stated he thinks Omnimechs fit the 4 mech pack format better, and because all the omnimechs we currently have currently do have 4 variants available. I mean, they could just add a single new variant, why not, but if it gets even one more energy hardpoint in the LA or LT that mech goes from "acceptable as an overall package" to "solid choice for the tonnage slot."

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 13 January 2016 - 11:07 AM.

[Imperius]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 10:31 AM, said:

You're the ones who QQ'edabout timeline and screwed up getting good mechs pretty much just the 3 of you, so yes enjoy your DOA pack he said should be omni so you better pick omni, I could see how you'd think he would allow others but that not the case. Sound familiar??? I wasn't aware he put you guys in charge of deciding the mechs to be chosen.


Anyway here is my 4 clan mechs and idgaf about your Twitter interpretations!

Mad Cat MK II
Blood Asp
Nova Cat
Kodiak

I call it the: MECHS PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT PACK

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Pariah Devalis, on 13 January 2016 - 11:06 AM, said:

because all the omnimechs we currently have currently do have 4 variants available.

Actually, not all have 4 variants, the Hellbringer is still waiting on a custom variant for it, albeit it is the only one. Either way, the SCat fan in me does not like the idea of the Coyotl getting a 4th energy hardpoint when it couldn't .

Also I really want to see what Alex can do to make the Viper less ugly.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 13 January 2016 - 11:17 AM.

[Pariah Devalis]

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 11:14 AM, said:

I call it the: MECHS PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT PACK

Sounds like "the people" wanted the Kodiak. I certainly didn't repost every tweet for the Kodiak. Hell, I didn't even want that mech. XD

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 13 January 2016 - 11:16 AM, said:

Actually, not all have 4 variants, the Hellbringer is still waiting on a custom variant for it, albeit it is the only one. Either way, the SCat fan in me does not like the idea of the Coyotl getting a 4th energy hardpoint when it couldn't .

Please, I then beg you to tweet to Russ #savetheshadowcat . We need 2 more energy hardpoints. I am horrified the Shadow Cat is unable to utilize its potential. :\ However, a good low end medium is still needed, regardless of the state of suck we currently have for the poor Shadow Cat.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 13 January 2016 - 11:18 AM.

[LastKhan]

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 11:14 AM, said:

You're the ones who QQ'edabout timeline and screwed up getting good mechs pretty much just the 3 of you, so yes enjoy your DOA pack he said should be omni so you better pick omni, I could see how you'd think he would allow others but that not the case. Sound familiar??? I wasn't aware he put you guys in charge of deciding the mechs to be chosen.


Anyway here is my 4 clan mechs and idgaf about your Twitter interpretations!

Mad Cat MK II
Blood Asp
Nova Cat
Kodiak

I call it the: MECHS PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT PACK

Kool story bro. Its not even what WE want, its RUSS's decision and he laid down the rules and we fallow suit. He's letting us pick this time from the pool instead of just a PGI decision.

Go ahead and be an edgelord and name whatever Russ will just laugh and toss it aside.

Edited by LastKhan, 13 January 2016 - 11:23 AM.

[Imperius]

LastKhan, on 13 January 2016 - 11:20 AM, said:

Kool story bro. Its not even what WE want, its RUSS's decision and he laid down the rules and we fallow suit. He's letting us pick this time from the pool instead of just a PGI decision.

Go ahead and be an edgelord and name whatever Russ will just laugh and toss it aside.

That's ok more people wanted Kodiak's and MK ii's that the crap you got us stuck with just letting people know who's the actual problem.

It went from choose a clan mech you really want to, 4 junk omni mechs from 3053 because of you 3 haha good job.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Pariah Devalis, on 13 January 2016 - 11:17 AM, said:

However, a good low end medium is still needed, regardless of the state of suck we currently have for the poor Shadow Cat.

Well considering the Viper would be some weird amalgamation of the Arctic Cheetah, Crab, and Nova, I dont think the Viper would be a bad choice necessarily, people keep forgetting how important speed is for 40 tonners and having the ability to asym 4-5 ERML or 6 SPL asym (and less worry about losing an arm and a third of your firepower) with more JJs and slightly better heat than a Cheetah is not really a bad thing.

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 11:26 AM, said:

That's ok more people wanted Kodiak's and MK ii's that the crap you got us stuck with just letting people know who's the actual problem.

It went from choose a clan mech you really want to, 4 junk omni mechs from 3053 because of you 3 haha good job.

So instead you want us to get stuck with at least 2 mediocre battlemechs (yes I'm calling the MKII and Kodiak mediocre) for the same reason (nostalgia) some of us want our mediocre omnis?

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 13 January 2016 - 11:31 AM.

[LastKhan]

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 11:26 AM, said:

That's ok more people wanted Kodiak's and MK ii's that the crap you got us stuck with just letting people know who's the actual problem.

That "I got us stuck with" Um i dont make the decisions to the rules, Russ does hombre. Not my fault you cant read or ask him to be more clear.

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It went from choose a clan mech you really want to, 4 junk omni mechs from 3053 because of you 3 haha good job.

Cause people like you were going full derp and misunderstand what Russ said.

Edited by LastKhan, 13 January 2016 - 11:36 AM.