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[Pariah Devalis]

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 11:26 AM, said:

It went from choose a clan mech you really want to, 4 junk omni mechs from 3053 because of you 3 haha good job.

It didn't "go" from anything. He feels omnimechs best fit the 4 mech pack model. He feels battlemechs work best as single releases. Ergo, the omni pack has absolutely nothing to do with the battlemech pack. Apple, meet orange. He is seeking community interest on various things.

Edit:

Also, let's take a logical look at this. Try real hard. Do you honestly think three people somehow managed to make Russ and the community as a whole vote for timeline specific mechs? I mean, if the three of us did that, holy crap! I'd be using my influence for a whole hell of a lot of better things.

And I never "attacked" people about timeline. I stated he wanted them in timeline. You just threw a hissy fit just like you're throwing right now.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 13 January 2016 - 11:40 AM.

[Imperius]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 13 January 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:

Well considering the Viper would be some weird amalgamation of the Arctic Cheetah, Crab, and Nova, I dont think the Viper would be a bad choice necessarily, people keep forgetting how important speed is for 40 tonners and having the ability to asym 4-5 ERML or 6 SPL asym (and less worry about losing an arm and a third of your firepower) with more JJs and slightly better heat than a Cheetah is not really a bad thing.


So instead you want us to get stuck with at least 2 mediocre battlemechs (yes I'm calling the MKII and Kodiak mediocre) for the same reason (nostalgia) some of us want our mediocre omnis?

I personally don't care for the Kodiak but many did so I had to include it. I was completely content with people stating the mechs they wanted until these three jokers started attacking people about timeline. I'm not the guy you should argue with. Those were pretty much the top asked for before these three reduced us to omni only pack of useless mechs.

Edited by Imperius, 13 January 2016 - 11:39 AM.

[Damocles]

Dude why would anyone want the MkII. MW4 garbage

[Bishop Steiner]

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 11:14 AM, said:

You're the ones who QQ'edabout timeline and screwed up getting good mechs pretty much just the 3 of you, so yes enjoy your DOA pack he said should be omni so you better pick omni, I could see how you'd think he would allow others but that not the case. Sound familiar??? I wasn't aware he put you guys in charge of deciding the mechs to be chosen.


Anyway here is my 4 clan mechs and idgaf about your Twitter interpretations!

Mad Cat MK II
Blood Asp
Nova Cat
Kodiak

I call it the: MECHS PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT PACK

Yes, it's good to know I have so much pull I single handedly determine the direction Russ takes the game.

And...judging by the voting...looks like people actually wanted the Kodiak (not really sure the appeal, but whatever)......

As for the rest... sorry if your reading comprehension is still being blinded by your emo teen rage over "not getting my way right now!!!".

But you are doing a WONDERFUL job ever since demonstrating to most people why listneign to you probably ISN'T a good thing.

[Bishop Steiner]

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 11:38 AM, said:

I was completely content with people stating the mechs they wanted until these three jokers started attacking people about timeline.

lol.....

you mean those 3 jokers got clarification from Russ and actually tried to guide people to make votes for things that actually fit for the criteria russ was asking for?

Your tears truly are delicious. Seriously, I don't even have to mock you, your own posts are laughable enough.

[Imperius]

Damocles, on 13 January 2016 - 11:39 AM, said:

Dude why would anyone want the MkII. MW4 garbage

Battlemech
Great hard points
JJ Capable
High mounted arms also block ct and side torsos
Great profile
Iconic

[Pariah Devalis]

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 11:46 AM, said:

Battlemech
Great hard points
JJ Capable
High mounted arms also block ct and side torsos
Great profile
Iconic

Pretty much. The Mk II is a solid mech all around. It just is not what the community voted for.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 13 January 2016 - 11:47 AM.

[Damocles]

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 11:46 AM, said:

Battlemech
Great hard points
JJ Capable
High mounted arms also block ct and side torsos
Great profile
Iconic

Arms hardpoints and ears, profile and gait that looks like a Timberwolf got an ultimate(lol) atomic wedgie. Iconic to what? Dark Age?

Edited by Damocles, 13 January 2016 - 11:50 AM.

[pbiggz]

A short list of mechs people here are asking for that are terrible, and why. The vast majority of them are bad because they have over sized engines and no pod space.


Black lanner - 13 tons podspace
Dragonfly - 8 tons podspace
Linebacker - 17 tons of podspace in a 65 tonner
cougar - 86 kph max
turkina - gimped direwhale with fixed hoverjets, less pod space and hardpoints
kingfisher - std engine 90 tonner, timberwolf does everything it does better
Bane - ghost heat
Kodiak - Will get no structure quirks because clan -> will be like the unquirked atlas
Piranha - aside from boating machine guns, there are no useable ballistics for light mechs
Crossbow - 65 ton sub optimal mad dog

As for *timeline fascists* vs imperius.

How about this. You're both right.

Imperius wants a madcat mk ii... Its a good mech, not mediocre as some of you are saying (and I cant imagine why), it uses tech we already have. By all rights it fits what russ has said, as, deny it or not, russ is willing to play fast and loose with the timeline if the mech can come in with tech we already have.

Bishop and Pariah want to see the other chassis that aren't in before we see the mk ii. I personally think the bulk of those chassis are garbage, as listed above, but there are some gems in there too. Why can't we have them all?

And why this attachment to the timeline? Whether you guys are right about the timeline mattering or not, you can't deny, it has no purpose in the game, and imperius is right to say its effectively holding things back now. I don't know why that's so threatening.

Also stop telling people not to vote for stuff from outside the timeline. Russ wants to see what people want, whether it makes it into the game or not a call any of us can actually make.

I can tell you the linebacker is ****, because it is, in timeline or not it wouldn't perform, that's a fact. BUT, you can't tell someone he wont get a Karhu because its not 3079, because by all rights, if PGI wants to put a Karhu in they can. You can tell them its not likely that theyll get it but again thats not our call. If you want to get a true litmus test of what people feel and what they want you need to let them vote without being insulted for it. Imperius and quite alot of others were voting for the MK II until people started nattering about the timeline, then the voting sharply turned in favour of the kodiak, and even the turkina. To some that looks alot like people changing their votes based on new information. I think russ was aiming for something a little more sterile. Just a straight up "name a mech you would like", not, "name the next mech you think you will get".

[0bsidion]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 10:29 AM, said:

If we don't fill the 40-45 ton CW need, the very best available Clan MEdium is hands down the 55 ton Vapor Eagle
http://www.sarna.net..._Eagle_(Goshawk)

If we can get a non-omni medium into the pack, I wouldn't say no to this one. It's got a crap ton of build options to play with on the main variant, and so many bloody hard points with every weapon type represented. I'd also be curious to see how Alex would tackle the model as well. First thing I'd do would be to drop the engine to an 275 XL though.

[pbiggz]

Damocles, on 13 January 2016 - 11:49 AM, said:

Arms hardpoints and ears, profile and gait that looks like a Timberwolf got an ultimate(lol) atomic wedgie. Iconic to what? Dark Age?

Its got high mounted hard points, looks iconic, and its art in mechwarrior 4 doesn't quite represent its CBT art, which is fierce as hell.

Also, wtf you talkin bout? The walking animation in mechwarrior 4 was bang on. The mechs, despite looking like toys, walked like they actually had weight.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 11:46 AM, said:

Battlemech
Decent profile

FTFY, that is its sole selling point with regard to gameplay, it wouldn't be able to run dual Gauss asymmetric meaning its hardpoints aren't that great, the torso mounts are somewhat low just like our current Timber Wolf minus the A variant, its ears are questionable. Jumping isn't really important for a 90 tonner, just ask the Highlanders. It would be better than the Highlander IIC and Warhawk, but still not that great. The thing it would have is a better engine cap at least than the Highlanders which is their major downfall. The Blood Asp would be a better mech though, especially since it gets ECM and JJs later on.

[Imperius]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

lol.....

you mean those 3 jokers got clarification from Russ and actually tried to guide people to make votes for things that actually fit for the criteria russ was asking for?

Your tears truly are delicious. Seriously, I don't even have to mock you, your own posts are laughable enough.

Timeline is minor consideration <- no clarification was needed but it definitely didn't fit your agenda. So you three "clarified" that's exactly what happened.

Now we get 4 onmi mechs in 3053 lol DOA pack it is

[pbiggz]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 13 January 2016 - 12:03 PM, said:

FTFY, that is its sole selling point with regard to gameplay, it wouldn't be able to run dual Gauss asymmetric meaning its hardpoints aren't that great, the torso mounts are somewhat low just like our current Timber Wolf minus the A variant, its ears are questionable. Jumping isn't really important for a 90 tonner, just ask the Highlanders. It would be better than the Highlander IIC and Warhawk, but still not that great. The thing it would have is a better engine cap at least than the Highlanders which is their major downfall. The Blood Asp would be a better mech though, especially since it gets ECM and JJs later on.

Sword and boarding shouldn't be a test for how good a mech is. I wouldn't do an asymmetric dual gauss build even if i could.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

pbiggz, on 13 January 2016 - 11:56 AM, said:

Also, wtf you talkin bout? The walking animation in mechwarrior 4 was bang on.

If by bang on you mean goofy, it definitely had an odd gait compared to some mechs.

[0bsidion]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 11:41 AM, said:

Yes, it's good to know I have so much pull I single handedly determine the direction Russ takes the game.

And...judging by the voting...looks like people actually wanted the Kodiak (not really sure the appeal, but whatever)......

Yeah, I don't get the appeal of the Kodiak either. It must be a nostalgia thing. I'd take the Blood Asp, Bane, or Stone Rhino long before the Kodiak.

The Bane would just be funny with 10 UAC/2s. 6 AC/2 Mauler ain't got nothing on that. Sure, it'd probably melt after about 60 seconds of sustained fire but it'd be a hoot while it lasted.

[Bishop Steiner]

0bsidion, on 13 January 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

If we can get a non-omni medium into the pack, I wouldn't say no to this one. It's got a crap ton of build options to play with on the main variant, and so many bloody hard points with every weapon type represented. I'd also be curious to see how Alex would tackle the model as well. First thing I'd do would be to drop the engine to an 275 XL though.

that's why I love the thing, so much variety, so much ability to please Meta Tryhards AND those who like to march to the beat of their own drum. Timeline Appropriate, and yeah, I wanna see what Alex could do to it, also. I've played around with it some because it has SOME elements I really like, but then others, like the legs, and pinhead that are...meh. So yeah.... I do think it's going to be semi rounded like the Cheetah, that giving it a head similar to the one PLOG uses for his BANE rework might be neat and more fitting, cosmetically.

[Imperius]

0bsidion, on 13 January 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

If we can get a non-omni medium into the pack, I wouldn't say no to this one. It's got a crap ton of build options to play with on the main variant, and so many bloody hard points with every weapon type represented. I'd also be curious to see how Alex would tackle the model as well. First thing I'd do would be to drop the engine to an 275 XL though.

Omnimechs sorry I'll be that guy now.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

pbiggz, on 13 January 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

Sword and boarding shouldn't be a test for how good a mech is. I wouldn't do an asymmetric dual gauss build even if i could.

I didn't say you sword and board, but you separate your energy from your gauss like you most do with the Whale. The only reason the old school Whale with all arm weapons go away with it is because of how much firepower you could throw at someone.

[pbiggz]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 13 January 2016 - 12:07 PM, said:

I didn't say you sword and board, but you separate your energy from your gauss like you most do with the Whale. The only reason the old school Whale with all arm weapons go away with it is because of how much firepower you could throw at someone.

I put the dual gauss in my direwolf arms anyway. Why would you ever put explosive gauss on your torsos. Even with clan XL and free case it makes you way easier to kill.