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[Bishop Steiner]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 13 January 2016 - 01:25 PM, said:

You'd be surprised how many some of us tryhards own. I am sitting at 200+ 4 of which are Vindicators :3

Just because the tryhards play the best of the best during practice and matches doesn't mean they don't have nostalgic favorites or pet mechs (some of which are bad).

possibly true, yet so many campaign against others getting their pet mechs... and isn't it cruel to leave them locked up in the mechlab?

Free Range Pet Mechs Are the only humane way to treat them.....

[Imperius]

Navid A1, on 13 January 2016 - 01:17 PM, said:

How about....

F* the timeline.

Seriously... aside from the beloved urbie, who in their right mind would pay money for doa mechs and then spend a year finding "viable builds" for them to not suck.?
and then after failing that, come on the forums asking for giga-buff quirks... because they suck.

You can prevent that today.... #F*thetimeline

Look someone else understands it's... its ...

[Pariah Devalis]

Navid A1, on 13 January 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

Maybe you are right...

Maybe i'm just tired of asking for help on the summoner. Tired of seeing a bunch of 2% , 2.5% machinegun range quirks on iconic under performing clan mechs, while BJs laugh in your face and you can't do anything!

At least Russ tweeted earlier today that the "dogs" of the Clan tech are getting some love soon. He was not specific, except he did state that extra hardpoints was not on the table. Which upsets me a bit, since some of the underperformers are so because of a lack of weight, while others are because of a lack of hard points.

However, if that means the Endo for the Poor thing is finally happening, I think I'd have a mild stroke from the surge of happy emotions.

Edit: Tweet here https://twitter.com/...354170366558208

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 13 January 2016 - 01:29 PM.

[Metus regem]

Navid A1, on 13 January 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

Maybe you are right...

Maybe i'm just tired of asking for help on the summoner. Tired of seeing a bunch of 2% , 2.5% machinegun range quirks on iconic under performing clan mechs, while BJs laugh in your face and you can't do anything!

That's more to do with our "Lord of random nonsensical balance, and his all powerful dartboard power and blindfold of wisdom"....

[Bishop Steiner]

Navid A1, on 13 January 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

Maybe you are right...

Maybe i'm just tired of asking for help on the summoner. Tired of seeing a bunch of 2% , 2.5% machinegun range quirks on iconic under performing clan mechs, while BJs laugh in your face and you can't do anything!

We're in the same boat on the Bummoner, friend. Loved that mech since my first early 90s tesla pod experience. Everyone else running pew pew, and I'm jumping all over virtual world tossing out lightning and dakka.......

Honestly if I ever got my Endo wish? I would literally just up ammo/armor the Prime stock loadout. (small chance I'd swap for a UAC10) because that's how much I love my SMN.

Heck I still run my bone stock one as my primary Clan Mech and manage to keep it in the black.....

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 01:05 PM, said:

http://www.sarna.net.../Kingfisher.jpg
not seeing it... it looks pretty much normal biped arm to me....

The arms are almost nipple high. Gargoyle/Executioner have arms at groin level. Additionally, I see at least one hardpoint next to the head, that's probably the LT hardpoint... just saying.

[Bishop Steiner]

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 01:28 PM, said:

Look someone else understands it's... its ...

Navid A1, on 13 January 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

Maybe you are right...

Maybe i'm just tired of asking for help on the summoner. Tired of seeing a bunch of 2% , 2.5% machinegun range quirks on iconic under performing clan mechs, while BJs laugh in your face and you can't do anything!

oops

and yet notice how when someone disagrees with him he manages to remain calm and civil... crazy concept, i know.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 13 January 2016 - 01:32 PM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 01:27 PM, said:

possibly true, yet so many campaign against others getting their pet mechs... and isn't it cruel to leave them locked up in the mechlab?

Free Range Pet Mechs Are the only humane way to treat them.....

Well some tryhards get a little fed up with how limited the meta is with regards to viable chassis (like me), thus why they hate on people's pet mechs because they expect it to be yet another mech on the trash pile that doesn't get used outside of fun drops. That and some of us are a little fed up with the 3 variant rule/system because it is spitting out so much overlap with builds/role that it is really sad. I mean did we really need 4 BKs, Grasshoppers, Crabs, Wolfhounds, Omnis, etc?

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 13 January 2016 - 01:33 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 13 January 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

The arms are almost nipple high. Gargoyle/Executioner have arms at groin level. Additionally, I see at least one hardpoint next to the head, that's probably the LT hardpoint... just saying.

Eh at Assault Mech speeds and reflexes, I don't think there's enough difference to matter that much, personally. Exe has MASC (which is semi useful on it) and JJS to comp, the GArgles is considerably faster. PotAYTOES, Patahtas, IMO.

Doubt I'd get any of the options, TBH, Fisher through mkII though, since generally Assault bore me, period.

[Navid A1]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

oops

and yet notice how when someone disagrees with him he manages to remain calm and civil... crazy concept, i know.

Navid A1, on 13 January 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

Maybe you are right...

Maybe i'm just tired of asking for help/buffs for the summoner. Tired of seeing a bunch of 2% , 2.5% machinegun range quirks on iconic under performing clan mechs, while BJs laugh in your face and you can't do anything!
Also... i nearly have 160 different variants and i rarely pilot meta... hell my timbies have 2 lrm 10s (because ears)... so, its not a meta tryhard who you're talking to. (and i have a collectors urbie).




And bishop... I can still remember your crusade for urbanmechs... so why are you hating on some people asking for their own pet mechs?

.

Everyone has every right to ask for a mech he/she loves.

But we can prevent many balance headaches now that we can have a say in what mech we are going to get today... and that timeline is the first thing we should throw out of the window to some extent.

Edited by Navid A1, 13 January 2016 - 01:42 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 13 January 2016 - 01:31 PM, said:

Well some tryhards get a little fed up with how limited the meta is with regards to viable chassis (like me), thus why they hate on people's pet mechs because they expect it to be yet another mech on the trash pile that doesn't get used outside of fun drops. That and some of us are a little fed up with the 3 variant rule/system because it is spitting out so much overlap with builds/role that it is really sad. I mean did we really need 4 BKs, Grasshoppers, Crabs, Wolfhounds, Omnis, etc?

preaching to the choir, have been notably anti 3 chassis since CB.

I've always been willing to simply need to grind 2.5-3x the total experience on the "chassis" in general, and simply pick and choose and run the one I want, period. Especially on the Hardpoint Androgynous models.

Navid A1, on 13 January 2016 - 01:35 PM, said:

covered that pretty well... in other places. I have no issue with people wanting their pet mechs.

I do have issue with them forcefeeding it to everyone, misrepresenting what was asked for, and then having a temper tantrum with anyone who disagrees.

Pretty significant difference even ignoring things like timelines, etc.

Ya'll wanna campaign for a timeline advance, go for it. I think it's still a bit premature (especially depending how far it's pushed) but certainly ain't gonna stop you from asking.

Basically I'm up for ALMOST anything... as long as a person want's to discuss it rationally, honestly and like a grown up.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 13 January 2016 - 01:41 PM.

[Imperius]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

oops

and yet notice how when someone disagrees with him he manages to remain calm and civil... crazy concept, i know.

People disagree with me all the time I could care less about that. It's when you tell me I'm wrong and I was right. That's why we're fighting.

32,000 + posts to my 2,200 + yup I must badger and disagree a lot. You know since you're literally the forums here. Maybe that's why the forums are ignored maybe? Who knows...

[Bishop Steiner]

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 01:44 PM, said:

People disagree with me all the time I could care less about that. It's when you tell me I'm wrong and I was right. That's why we're fighting.

32,000 + posts to my 2,200 + yup I must badger and disagree a lot. You know since you're literally the forums here. Maybe that's why the forums are ignored maybe? Who knows...

really, I told you you were wrong I was right...on anythign other than the specifications russ asked for?

Huh... well, aside from the part where um, apparently you are wrong........

But your maturity is shining through even in that post so well, as always when you feel the need to try to make it personal..and again, even then, be disingenuous falling back on the old, false "PGI ignores the forums" saw.

But then. That's the usual approach when one doesn't have an actual argument to stand on.


pretty sure your hair trigger temper, tantrums and stalkerish behaviour on twitter probably negatively impact people on here and twitter more.... certainly probably leads to you getting blocked more...

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 13 January 2016 - 01:57 PM.

[Navid A1]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 01:38 PM, said:

I do have issue with them forcefeeding it to everyone, misrepresenting what was asked for, and then having a temper tantrum with anyone who disagrees.

Pretty significant difference even ignoring things like timelines, etc.

Ya'll wanna campaign for a timeline advance, go for it. I think it's still a bit premature (especially depending how far it's pushed) but certainly ain't gonna stop you from asking.

Basically I'm up for ALMOST anything... as long as a person want's to discuss it rationally, honestly and like a grown up.

No one can forcefeed anything to someone over the internet. They can just show their reasons and criticize.

Also, advancing timeline is less blasphemous than giving summoner endo (and i'd love to have both). Besides, advancing timeline to get a much needed good mech does not prevent PGI to bring 3050 mechs. hell... we are already ahead in time when we have Atlases, catapults, drangons, etc... so no problem in that regard.

Edited by Navid A1, 13 January 2016 - 01:51 PM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 01:38 PM, said:

I've always been willing to simply need to grind 2.5-3x the total experience on the "chassis" in general, and simply pick and choose and run the one I want, period. Especially on the Hardpoint Androgynous models.

Just wanted to clear up a little confusion about this, when I said 3 mech rule, I meant to get added into the game it needed 3 models not really the requirement to master a chassis. There should really only be one BK or Kintaro in MWO because of how similar the variants are. Hunchbacks should still have a bunch of different variants though.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 13 January 2016 - 01:55 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 13 January 2016 - 01:51 PM, said:

Just wanted to clear up a little confusion about this, when I said 3 mech rule, I meant to get added into the game it needed 3 models not really the requirement to master a chassis. There should really only be one BK or Kintaro in MWO because of how similar the variants are. Hunchbacks should still have a bunch of different variants though.

well, if you only have 1 model, yet still need 3 to master... they kind of go hand in hand, IMO.

[LastKhan]

Look why are u imperius trying to equivocate that we, (me, Pariah, and Bishop) are like these sources for all your problems. Honestly if russ said, "oh hey yea pick your fave mech, even if its beyond the current timeline." I would be here defending that and you'd be actually right. Its what Russ says he wants us to do, not the other way around.

Why is it that some of the derpiest people have gold mechs? i may have just answered my own question.

Edited by LastKhan, 13 January 2016 - 02:09 PM.

[Imperius]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 01:46 PM, said:

really, I told you you were wrong I was right...on anythign other than the specifications russ asked for?

Huh... well, aside from the part where um, apparently you are wrong........

But your maturity is shining through even in that post so well, as always when you feel the need to try to make it personal..and again, even then, be disingenuous falling back on the old, false "PGI ignores the forums" saw.

But then. That's the usual approach when one doesn't have an actual argument to stand on.


pretty sure your hair trigger temper, tantrums and stalkerish behaviour on twitter probably negatively impact people on here and twitter more.... certainly probably leads to you getting blocked more...

You're the only one to block me. I really don't care. Things I fight for in the game are for it's benefit. I've been fighting to remove the timeline since 2012... If we did that a long time ago we wouldn't have so many "useless mechs" sure I'm glad they are in the game for nostalgia but useless is useless that's something people should accept. You can't expect PGI to rewrite a mech so your nostalgia mech is competitive.

Edited by Imperius, 13 January 2016 - 02:10 PM.

[0bsidion]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

Absolutely true. Like I said, my sole motivation is that I WANT the Crossbow, not that I think it's great. The Linebacker...it's an even uglier, boxier Nova..... speed is nice, but egads it's hideous

Night Gyr is similarly...ugly (though not as), and simply doesn't fill a need either.... like I said, my "justification" is that Heavies don't NEED another "contender" mech atm, and I actually like (because I'm a masochist) the Crossbow. I figure probably me and like 2 other people will vote for it, lol.

I guess I should go and make up an argument and post on every other post why we NEED THE CROSSBOW, eh?

one variant allows for 4 srm racks... could be fun.

But remember...I actualyl LIKE Summoners, Novas; Gargoyles, Vindicators and Orions. I'm like the Patron Saint for Bad Mechs.


ugh... Summoner needs a made up variant before more than like...anything... even though it will likely only reaffirm laservomit meta... but since what it really needs (endo) simply is never going to happen....

Pretty much agree with all of this except the Crossbow, but I've already established that. And the Summoner is a bit off topic, but yeah it makes me sad it will probably never get the love it actually needs. Best we're likely to get is more quirk related bandaids that don't actually address the real issues with it.

Metus regem, on 13 January 2016 - 01:02 PM, said:

I know, and I get that, I just think the tonnage jump from a 280 to a 320 is a lot, for not a lot of gain. And that is my perspective, just as yours is that a 320 is just fine, and that's okay we are able to disagree and be amicable about it, it would be nice if some other fourmites could be as amicable about differences.

Pretty much my thinking on it. I'd take the Coyotl over it for that reason.

Navid A1, on 13 January 2016 - 01:17 PM, said:

How about....

F* the timeline.

Seriously... aside from the beloved urbie, who in their right mind would pay money for doa mechs and then spend a year finding "viable builds" for them to not suck.?
and then after failing that, come on the forums asking for giga-buff quirks... because they suck.

You can prevent that today.... #F*thetimeline

There are some solid contenders being voted on that wouldn't be DOA at all, unless you're looking for the next uber metamech and that's your only consideration. I don't think we need to #F*thetimeline to get some reasonably good mechs out of this.

[Bishop Steiner]

0bsidion, on 13 January 2016 - 02:10 PM, said:

Pretty much agree with all of this except the Crossbow, but I've already established that. And the Summoner is a bit off topic, but yeah it makes me sad it will probably never get the love it actually needs. Best we're likely to get is more quirk related bandaids that don't actually address the real issues with it.


Pretty much my thinking on it. I'd take the Coyotl over it for that reason.

There are some solid contenders being voted on that wouldn't be DOA at all, unless you're looking for the next uber metamech and that's your only consideration. I don't think we need to #F*thetimeline to get some reasonably good mechs out of this.

screw you man,why won't you let me have my CROSSBOW!!! WHY ARE YOU ALL AGAINST ME!!!!!!!