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[Pariah Devalis]

Off topic, but repeating because the SMN was mentioned again, and woah be it the underdogs, and all, buuuuut:

https://twitter.com/...354170366558208

Eh? Eh? Maybe endo? Maybe unlocked equipment? Maybe PGI would give a Clan mech quirks that actually break a 5% combined modifier?

[Imperius]

Nah I realize it's only about 3-4 against me so I'll keep fighting to get the Mad Cat MK II sadly you can't blacklist on the forums otherwise our conversation would have ended long ago. I'm just going to ignore the 4 of you completely.

Back on topic mech pack of 4 I want in

Mad Cat MK II
BLood Asp
Nova Cat
Kodiak

[LastKhan]

Imperius, on 13 January 2016 - 02:28 PM, said:

Nah I realize it's only about 3-4 against me so I'll keep fighting to get the Mad Cat MK II sadly you can't blacklist on the forums otherwise our conversation would have ended long ago. I'm just going to ignore the 4 of you completely.

Ah, the continued ignorance of being incorrect. You already have me blocked on twitter which is quite lulzworthy and obviously shows you being incapable of having a decent conversation without spazzing out.

[Bishop Steiner]

LastKhan, on 13 January 2016 - 02:35 PM, said:

Ah, the continued ignorance of being incorrect. You already have me blocked on twitter which is quite lulzworthy and obviously shows you being incapable of having a decent conversation without spazzing out.

well, we ARE the MWO Illuminati, with Russ under our spell and doing our evil bidding


(weird since I really thought if that were true I'd be seeing endo on my Summoner by now and a certain Hero Urbie.......)

[LastKhan]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

well, we ARE the MWO Illuminati, with Russ under our spell and doing our evil bidding


(weird since I really thought if that were true I'd be seeing endo on my Summoner by now and a certain Hero Urbie.......)

I say we draw us as the 3 horsemen in our battlemechs with Illuminati symbols all over them. xD

[Pariah Devalis]

LastKhan, on 13 January 2016 - 02:35 PM, said:

Ah, the continued ignorance of being incorrect. You already have me blocked on twitter which is quite lulzworthy and obviously shows you being incapable of having a decent conversation without spazzing out.

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

well, we ARE the MWO Illuminati, with Russ under our spell and doing our evil bidding


(weird since I really thought if that were true I'd be seeing endo on my Summoner by now and a certain Hero Urbie.......)

That awkward moment where you read "Illuminate," and outright fail to find a perfectly appropriate evil cackling gif to fit the part....

[LastKhan]

Pariah Devalis, on 13 January 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

That awkward moment where you read "Illuminate," and outright fail to find a perfectly appropriate evil cackling gif to fit the part....

[Bishop Steiner]

LastKhan, on 13 January 2016 - 02:42 PM, said:

..... a little demented but not sure if good enough....

[Dagorlad13]

Navid A1, on 13 January 2016 - 01:17 PM, said:

How about....

F* the timeline.

Seriously... aside from the beloved urbie, who in their right mind would pay money for doa mechs and then spend a year finding "viable builds" for them to not suck.?
and then after failing that, come on the forums asking for giga-buff quirks... because they suck.

You can prevent that today.... #F*thetimeline

You consider them "DOA" Mechs because they are not OP enough for you to do well in?

[Metus regem]

* Just starts to cook popcorn over all of the flames being cast *

[LastKhan]

Metus regem, on 13 January 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:

* Just starts to cook popcorn over all of the flames being cast *

Sadly it kinda died off. save that popcorn for later.

[Metus regem]

LastKhan, on 13 January 2016 - 03:36 PM, said:

Sadly it kinda died off. save that popcorn for later.

darn... here I was hoping Impy would fly off the handle again... may by I should say something bad about the Mad Cat Mk II? I mean he flew off the handle at me, when I said I could think of better assault mechs that could be put in (in my opinion)....

[LastKhan]

Metus regem, on 13 January 2016 - 03:39 PM, said:

darn... here I was hoping Impy would fly off the handle again... may by I should say something bad about the Mad Cat Mk II? I mean he flew off the handle at me, when I said I could think of better assault mechs that could be put in (in my opinion)....

Heh someone did throw shade against his beloved MK2, but i think Imperius is on a blocking crusade now.

[Damocles]

We want Mad Cat Mk.II


walking with two! sticks up its

[Mcgral18]

pbiggz, on 13 January 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

A short list of mechs people here are asking for that are terrible, and why. The vast majority of them are bad because they have over sized engines and no pod space.


Black lanner - 13 tons podspace
Dragonfly - 8 tons podspace
Linebacker - 17 tons of podspace in a 65 tonner
cougar - 86 kph max
turkina - gimped direwhale with fixed hoverjets, less pod space and hardpoints
kingfisher - std engine 90 tonner, timberwolf does everything it does better
Bane - ghost heat
Kodiak - Will get no structure quirks because clan -> will be like the unquirked atlas
Piranha - aside from boating machine guns, there are no useable ballistics for light mechs
Crossbow - 65 ton sub optimal mad dog

As for *timeline fascists* vs imperius.

How about this. You're both right.

Imperius wants a madcat mk ii... Its a good mech, not mediocre as some of you are saying (and I cant imagine why), it uses tech we already have. By all rights it fits what russ has said, as, deny it or not, russ is willing to play fast and loose with the timeline if the mech can come in with tech we already have.

Bishop and Pariah want to see the other chassis that aren't in before we see the mk ii. I personally think the bulk of those chassis are garbage, as listed above, but there are some gems in there too. Why can't we have them all?

And why this attachment to the timeline? Whether you guys are right about the timeline mattering or not, you can't deny, it has no purpose in the game, and imperius is right to say its effectively holding things back now. I don't know why that's so threatening.

Also stop telling people not to vote for stuff from outside the timeline. Russ wants to see what people want, whether it makes it into the game or not a call any of us can actually make.

I can tell you the linebacker is ****, because it is, in timeline or not it wouldn't perform, that's a fact. BUT, you can't tell someone he wont get a Karhu because its not 3079, because by all rights, if PGI wants to put a Karhu in they can. You can tell them its not likely that theyll get it but again thats not our call. If you want to get a true litmus test of what people feel and what they want you need to let them vote without being insulted for it. Imperius and quite alot of others were voting for the MK II until people started nattering about the timeline, then the voting sharply turned in favour of the kodiak, and even the turkina. To some that looks alot like people changing their votes based on new information. I think russ was aiming for something a little more sterile. Just a straight up "name a mech you would like", not, "name the next mech you think you will get".

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Black lanner - 13 11.5 tons podspace
Dragonfly - 8 8.5 tons podspace
Linebacker - 17 16.5 tons of podspace in a 65 tonner
cougar - 86 kph max
turkina - gimped direwhale with fixed hoverjets, less pod space and hardpoints
kingfisher - std engine 90 tonner, timberwolf does everything it does better
Bane - ghost heat Not on 2s, nor any linked ACs. Just 20s, 10s and 5s combined with identical cUACs
Kodiak - Will get no structure quirks because clan -> will be like the unquirked atlas
Piranha - aside from boating machine guns, there are no useable ballistics for light mechs
Crossbow - 65 ton sub optimal mad dog

LineBacker doesn't sound too bad next to a Sadder...depending on Scale. Not worth a 65 tonner of course, but not weak in itself (like a SadCat or Myth Lynx with their hardpoint starvation). It can mount guns, due to available hardpoints.
Honestly, 4SRM6+A with 5ERSLs, 4 tons of ammo, the 4 hardwired heatsinks....that will be a hot, but pretty powerful loadout. For 10 extra tons, you can do it on the Timby with SPLs and more heatsinks, or 10 fewer tons on the Crow.
Crow in fact does it with 50 more missiles and an extra heatsink, but marginally worse armour (but it's not like the LineBacker is likely to get these God Tier hitboxes).
LineBacker can actually do one thing the Crow cannot: 6 ERMLs and 25DHS (Crow maxes at ~22DHS in that config due to lacking the engine heatsink slots). The Crow, of course, just takes a LPL instead, and gets a low heat alternative, longer range option.

Anyway, not bad loadouts, but not fit for a 65 tonner. Not DoA, just outclassed.
That surprises me.

Here's a few charts which should be mostly accurate:
http://imgur.com/a/01PaH


Hardpoint inflation and engine changing can adjust the above info, but this is guaranteed. Likely max engine cap


LOL, 133 Kph 55 tonner...for 7.5 seconds.
Jesus Box, 6+cSPLs, it'll hurt with as much armour as it has. Hitboxes can change that durability, of course.



Not bad, as far as mechs go, but not great as a 65 tonner in competition with the Loki and the Ebon Swaguar, or even the Jagers for Dakka, or Thuds for Lasers...but it compares nicely to Light mechs!



Light mech substitute. If MGs didn't suck balls, a replacement Clam Ember with massive Jumps. As it stands, ERMLs, DHS, JJs. Ice Fridge surpasses ground based 139 Kph ERML vomit, but cannot jump.

SL vomit also applicable, but leave the MGs in the mechlab.



It can do Timby loadouts completely Sword and Boarded, but cannot do much with the Dakka side asym wise.
I suppose fits in with the Linebacker, not bad loadouts, but off-putting for the tonnage cost.

Edited by Mcgral18, 13 January 2016 - 04:07 PM.

[Hawk819]

I'm sure Pariah will agree with me here as we did on Twitter, I'm for a full Medium `Mech Pack for the Clans

So my picks are:

Nobori-nin [Huntsman]
Phantom
Pouncer
Black Lanner

As for my needs pick:

Firemoth or Fire Falcon [20 tons]
Pouncer, Phantom, Dragonfly, Coyotl, or Battle Cobra [40 tons]
Night Gyr [Throwing that one out to fulfill the list]
Kingfisher [90 tons]

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Mcgral18, on 13 January 2016 - 04:04 PM, said:

Ice Fridge surpasses ground based 139 Kph ERML vomit, but cannot jump.

Did the Fridge get speed quirks I wasn't aware of? The Fridge and the Viper should have the same ground speed. Or are we talking about the fact it get's an extra heat sink (if you don't load it asymmetrically)?

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 13 January 2016 - 04:42 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 13 January 2016 - 04:41 PM, said:

Did the Fridge get speed quirks I wasn't aware of? The Fridge and the Viper should have the same ground speed. Or are we talking about the fact it get's an extra heat sink (if you don't load it asymmetrically)?

16 heatsinks VS 12ish, and quirks, with greater durability.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Mcgral18, on 13 January 2016 - 04:52 PM, said:

16 heatsinks VS 12ish, and quirks, with greater durability.

Where did you get 12ish? The Viper can carry 5 ERMLs, 13 DHS, and TC1 or just 14 DHS. I'm assuming the 16 you got if we count quirks as well? The free tonnage comparatively is 8.5 tons vs 9 tons if you are running max armor (Viper can rum asym so you can strip from the other arm to get equal tonnage).

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 13 January 2016 - 05:03 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 13 January 2016 - 05:01 PM, said:

Where did you get 12ish? The Viper can carry 5 ERMLs, 13 DHS, and TC1 or just 14 DHS. I'm assuming the 16 you got if we count quirks as well? The free tonnage comparatively is 8.5 tons vs 9 tons if you are running max armor (Viper can rum asym so you can strip from the other arm to get equal tonnage).

Not sure you want to strip like that, but the Fridge does get 2 bonus tons out of it (due to hardlocked heatsinks).