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[Dingo Battler]

Interested to play the WHM, but can't see any advantages of using the PPC. The ER LL has more damage per heat, damage per ton, shoots further, no min range. The only good thing about the PPC is PPFLD, which the gauss is much better at (no heat, high dmg, infintely faster)

Furthermore, mid-close range is where the meta is at now.

PPC needs a massive buff to be viable.

Edited by KBurn85, 13 January 2016 - 02:49 PM.

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

Grimlox, on 13 January 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

I like your taste in mechs, music and I got your Mjolnir reference. Let's be friends!

I can't see the Whammy in smufys yet so can't offer any specific builds but PPC's and AC5's always tend to go well together. Might have a bit of a problem with lights but a good pilot can work around that with situational awareness and sticking with the team. Interested to see what builds come out,

You can also add some medium pulse lasers to your ppc build. Thatll keep the lights in check lol.

[Grimlox]

KBurn85, on 13 January 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

Interested to play the WHM, but can't see any advantages of using the PPC. The ER LL has more damage per heat, damage per ton, shoots further, no min range. The only good thing about the PPC is PPFLD, which the gauss is much better at (no heat, high dmg, infintely faster)

Furthermore, mid-close range is where the meta is at now.

PPC needs a massive buff to be viable.

Boo meta.

Only thing that matter is PPC's are more satisfying to destroy meta mechs with.

[Gas Guzzler]

I think the Hellbringer-PRIME should also get 60% increased velocity to cER PPCs and -15% heat generation, don't you?

[Grimlox]

Alwrath, on 13 January 2016 - 02:49 PM, said:

You can also add some medium pulse lasers to your ppc build. Thatll keep the lights in check lol.

Ya nothing like some MPLs or Streak2's to send them on their way.

[Bishop Steiner]

KBurn85, on 13 January 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

Interested to play the WHM, but can't see any advantages of using the PPC. The ER LL has more damage per heat, damage per ton, shoots further, no min range. The only good thing about the PPC is PPFLD, which the gauss is much better at (no heat, high dmg, infintely faster)

Furthermore, mid-close range is where the meta is at now.

PPC needs a massive buff to be viable.

*cough* 60% velocity increase and PPFLD.

Nuff said.

[Pariah Devalis]

Gas Guzzler, on 13 January 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

I think the Hellbringer-PRIME should also get 60% increased velocity to cER PPCs and -15% heat generation, don't you?

Absolutely. But it's a Clan mech. Even if the stock loadout is essentially unplayable, it cannot get any consideration for its ERPPC arms. Arms which, btw, were altered from their unique signature hexagonal ERPPC barrel design.

But this is not the place for lamenting Clan balance. This is a place to celebrate an unseen returning to the light.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 13 January 2016 - 02:53 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Pariah Devalis, on 13 January 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

*sigh*

Going to make me link this one, now, eh?

does look a little naked with the srm rack, don't it?

[Gas Guzzler]

Pariah Devalis, on 13 January 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

were altered from their unique signature hexagonal ERPPC barrel design.

I will admit, part of my soul died when it came to MWO without those.

[Bishop Steiner]

Grimlox, on 13 January 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

I like your taste in mechs, music and I got your Mjolnir reference. Let's be friends!

I can't see the Whammy in smufys yet so can't offer any specific builds but PPC's and AC5's always tend to go well together. Might have a bit of a problem with lights but a good pilot can work around that with situational awareness and sticking with the team. Interested to see what builds come out,

Always like hanging with Space Vikings! Because then (Mechs,) Wenches and Mead are all we need!

Gas Guzzler, on 13 January 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

I think the Hellbringer-PRIME should also get 60% increased velocity to cER PPCs and -15% heat generation, don't you?

sure, how about the WHM gets C-XL engines, 2 slot DHS and 7 slot endo while we are swapping?

(and yes I do think the ppc velocity is just a tad ridiculous, lol 1760 and 1920 if the ERPPC continue to get the PPC vel like on other chassis....)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 13 January 2016 - 02:57 PM.

[Dingo Battler]

Grimlox, on 13 January 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

Boo meta.

Only thing that matter is PPC's are more satisfying to destroy meta mechs with.

Its not even anywhere near viable, which is the problem, much less the meta. I brawl with gausses, so I don't follow the meta. This is not even about a 0.5 cooldown, or a 1 dmg increase. This thing needs a 3dmg increase minimum to even be viable, alongside other buffs to velocity and heat.

I'd love to use the PPC, but I don't want to be pulling off hard shots for 10dmg, when everyone else is spamming ERLLs for an easy 9.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 02:56 PM, said:

sure, how about the WHM gets C-XL engines, 2 slot DHS and 7 slot endo while we are swapping?

(and yes I do think the ppc velocity is just a tad ridiculous, lol)

And ECM!

In all seriousness, I just meant because the Hellbringer was equally as known for running ER PPCs as the WHM was for running PPCs. I would be cool to run them on an HBR, but they kinda suck, so meh.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 13 January 2016 - 02:59 PM.

[Grimlox]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 02:56 PM, said:

Always like hanging with Space Vikings! Because then (Mechs,) Wenches and Mead are all we need!


sure, how about the WHM gets C-XL engines, 2 slot DHS and 7 slot endo while we are swapping?

(and yes I do think the ppc velocity is just a tad ridiculous, lol)

Our merc unit rotates factions. Save me a beer and some PPC build recommendations when we hit up Steiner!

[Bishop Steiner]

KBurn85, on 13 January 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

Its not even anywhere near viable, which is the problem, much less the meta. I brawl with gausses, so I don't follow the meta. This is not even about a 0.5 cooldown, or a 1 dmg increase. This thing needs a 3dmg increase minimum to even be viable, alongside other buffs to velocity and heat.

I'd love to use the PPC, but I don't want to be pulling off hard shots for 10dmg, when everyone else is spamming ERLLs for an easy 9.

I'll take 10 in one spot for 9 spayed all over my mech, especially since I can twist the moment i fire.

Gas Guzzler, on 13 January 2016 - 02:58 PM, said:

And ECM!

In all seriousness, I just meant because the Hellbringer was equally as known for running ER PPCs as the WHM was for running PPCs. I would be cool to run them on an HBR, but they kinda suck, so meh.

DEAL!!!!

[MATRAKA14]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

Ride the thunder with pride, a big bro PPC fist for you!

Spoiler

You made my day with that song.

Edited by MATRAKA14, 13 January 2016 - 03:03 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 13 January 2016 - 02:58 PM, said:

And ECM!

In all seriousness, I just meant because the Hellbringer was equally as known for running ER PPCs as the WHM was for running PPCs. I would be cool to run them on an HBR, but they kinda suck, so meh.

well, in any clanners should get it, I think first we should see the poor Summoner and Adder rock it.

[Grimlox]

KBurn85, on 13 January 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

Its not even anywhere near viable, which is the problem, much less the meta. I brawl with gausses, so I don't follow the meta. This is not even about a 0.5 cooldown, or a 1 dmg increase. This thing needs a 3dmg increase minimum to even be viable, alongside other buffs to velocity and heat.

I'd love to use the PPC, but I don't want to be pulling off hard shots for 10dmg, when everyone else is spamming ERLLs for an easy 9.

Sometimes you can make non-viable work. I did a couple drops in my old poptart Dragon Slayer with PPC/Gauss and it worked and was lots of fun. Some rounds you might get smashed but those good rounds you have are all the more rewarding. Besides this topic is mostly about recommending some Warhammer builds while staying true to the Warhammer as best you can.

[Bishop Steiner]

MATRAKA14, on 13 January 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

Ride the thunder with pride, a big bro PPC fist for you!

Spoiler

http://3.bp.blogspot.../catapult-K.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sMgikdq.jpg

You made my day with that song.

[stjobe]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 11:08 AM, said:

I can respect that. Not a huge fan of that many fire groups, overall..... or solo SRM launchers (even my TT version eventually dropped that for an LB-10X)

I suppose one could bring it down to 3-4 groups though.... PPCs either together or seperate triggers, MLasers on another, and the SRMS, MGs and Slasers on the final.

Mt thing it I have yet to find a mouse I like the location of group 4, so I generally run 3 fire groups only. I would prefer the separate PPC option...anyone know if there are any mice with 2 physical "scroll wheels"?

Thumb buttons are your friends. On my MX518 I generally do it like this:

Group 1 on left mouse button (main weapon or left side main weapons).
Group 2 on right mouse button (secondary weapon or right side main weapons)
Group 3 on mouse 4 (thumb, tertiary weapons or SRMs)
Group 4 on mouse 5 (thumb, backup weapons or LRMs)

In the odd case you'd need more than four groups, you could always remap a couple of the Q, E, F, C, Z or X keys, or use mouse 3 (scroll-wheel; up, down, and click available).

[Bishop Steiner]

Grimlox, on 13 January 2016 - 03:01 PM, said:

Sometimes you can make non-viable work. I did a couple drops in my old poptart Dragon Slayer with PPC/Gauss and it worked and was lots of fun. Some rounds you might get smashed but those good rounds you have are all the more rewarding. Besides this topic is mostly about recommending some Warhammer builds while staying true to the Warhammer as best you can.

considering my prime TBR packs 2x ERPPC, my highest damage dealing mech, my WHK-Prime packs 2 (and a uac20), my Novatart packs two, my HBK-IIC-A.......