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[Kru3m3lmonst3r]

This game really drives me crazy.
It could be so good but the performance and the stability is really piss poor - there is no other term to describe it.
I really am thinking to stop playing right now.

My spec is:
Core i5-2500K@3.3Ghz
8Gb DDR3
EVGA Geforce GTX960 4Gb
Installed on 256Gb SSD
Windows 7 Prof 64Bit

Performace:
I know its not top notch but i really should be able to play this game properly.

I wont even start on DX11 mode since in DX11 I am not able to play the game with stable 30fps+ even in Medium to low settings on 80% of the maps. Actually performace wise it does no make a difference if I run it on Min or Max settings.

In DX9 it runs alot better and often smoothly on max. I just have a few maps where the peformance is sub-par no matter which settings I choose.

Well I could live with that, but what is unacceptable are the frequent crashes.

Stability:
There are basically 3 types of crashes.

1) MWO-client crash while Alt+Tab:
Thats really a joke. Are we in fckin 2007 on WinXP - no we are in 2016 where Alt+Tab should be totally OK especally since this game has really long loading times.
I even could live with that since i can avoid it....

2) NVIDIA Driver Crash during the game. Especially on DX11 I had very frequent crashes to Windows whith my NVIDIA Driver saying it was restored after stopping to work. Since DX9 fixed that mostly I could ignore this error but now comes the really bad one.

3) Monitor freezes and I am not able to go back to Windows or anything else. PC is still running and I can talk via Teamspeak etc but I am trapped there until I use the Power Button of my PC.
This happens totally random approx 1 time every 2 hours.
Searching in the MWO forums brought to light that the game just does not run properly on overclocked graphic cards. There was a quote from a dev/support- guy to this issue.
Unfortunately my card is overclocked from factory so I cannot change a damn thing.

Well as it stands I will propably stop playing because I am afraid to damage something if I keep resetting the PC hard 2+ times a day.
This really is a shame since enjoy playing and was/am willing to invest money

Enough of my rant though.
I am finished but I have to say that the current state is really a bad joke (I know that I am not the only one having ridiculous errors and problems but that its rather wide-spread) and I will certainly not recommend the game to my friends....

Edited by Kru3m3lmonst3r, 17 January 2016 - 02:39 PM.

[VitriolicViolet]

well id say its your computer or something, my laptop is 6 years old and plays perfectly with minimal crashing
my specs are:

core 2 quad Q9000 2Ghz
6Gb ddr 2
asus geforce GTX 260m 1gb
750 gb memory
windows 7 pro 64 bit

so i dont really know why you cant run it your comp is way better than mine, i do play on the lowest settings but still get 35-50 frames per sec. Have you considered reinstalling windows? or cleaning out your comp?

edit
Grim portico on CW is the only map where id say performance actually affects my gameplay, but i think most people struggle with that one

Edited by Violet Vitriol Price, 13 January 2016 - 04:30 PM.

[M T]

CPU.

Edited by MTs Cavia Porcellus, 13 January 2016 - 05:51 PM.

[Durant Carlyle]

Any graphics card driver crashes are due to your graphics card.

And yes, this game CAN run well on overclocked CPUs AND GPUs. But only when the overclocks are stable. I've been playing MWO with various overclocked CPUs and GPUs since August 2012. I build my own computers specifically for overclocking and gaming. The new rig I built around Christmas week is a 6600K overclocked to 4.6GHz with a GTX 980 Ti overclocked to 1450MHz core, and I run MWO in 2560x1440 resolution at maxed settings.

Your #2 and #3 are related -- you don't have a stable overclock on your graphics card. Sometimes the stock overclock on those that come from the factory isn't stable, or it gets less stable over time.

FYI: You can use graphics card monitoring/overclocking software like MSI Afterburner and EVGA Precision X to underclock your GPU to a stable level.

[Gettothechoppa]

Your sentiments are echoed by those of who beta tested this game during it's pre-release era trust me.
The WAS an AAA title/genre but this company doesn't have the budget or development capacity to devote to it.

[Tarl Cabot]

• You should easily be able to OC 2500k to at least 4.0ghz
  
• Factory OC'd GPU can be underclocked back to or below baseline. This is suggested as part of the trouble shooting process.
  
• Some of the differences between dx9 and dx11 is part of the load is moved from the CPU to the GPU...an unstable GPU, the hardware and/or software, is more likely to show up.
  
• the monitor " freezing" is the the GPU driver crashed and did not recover.
  
• Alt Tabbing - if full screen mode means that the information has to be reloaded, both system and gpu and memories.

Do you not see a common denominator? I agree, you should stop playing until you have done enough trouble shooting and tinkering to make your system stable. Ignoring the issue and doing nothing means something could give at any time while doing something else, especially pertaining to gaming.

[Calebos]

Kru3m3lmonst3r, on 13 January 2016 - 01:38 PM, said:

This game really drives me crazy.
It could be so good but the performance and the stability is really piss poor - there is no other term to describe it.
I really am thinking to stop playing right now.

My spec is:
Core i5-2500K@3.3Ghz
8Gb DDR3
ASUS Geforce GTX960 4Gb
Installed on 256Gb SSD
Windows 7 Prof 64Bit

Performace:
I know its not top notch but i really should be able to play this game properly.

I wont even start on DX11 mode since in DX11 I am not able to play the game with stable 30fps+ even in Medium to low settings on 80% of the maps. Actually performace wise it does no make a difference if I run it on Min or Max settings.

In DX9 it runs alot better and often smoothly on max. I just have a few maps where the peformance is sub-par no matter which settings I choose.

Well I could live with that, but what is unacceptable are the frequent crashes.

Stability:
There are basically 3 types of crashes.

1) MWO-client crash while Alt+Tab:
Thats really a joke. Are we in fckin 2007 on WinXP - no we are in 2016 where Alt+Tab should be totally OK especally since this game has really long loading times.
I even could live with that since i can avoid it....

2) NVIDIA Driver Crash during the game. Especially on DX11 I had very frequent crashes to Windows whith my NVIDIA Driver saying it was restored after stopping to work. Since DX9 fixed that mostly I could ignore this error but now comes the really bad one.

3) Monitor freezes and I am not able to go back to Windows or anything else. PC is still running and I can talk via Teamspeak etc but I am trapped there until I use the Power Button of my PC.
This happens totally random approx 1 time every 2 hours.
Searching in the MWO forums brought to light that the game just does not run properly on overclocked graphic cards. There was a quote from a dev/support- guy to this issue.
Unfortunately my card is overclocked from factory so I cannot change a damn thing.

Well as it stands I will propably stop playing because I am afraid to damage something if I keep resetting the PC hard 2+ times a day.
This really is a shame since enjoy playing and was/am willing to invest money

Enough of my rant though.
I am finished but I have to say that the current state is really a bad joke (I know that I am not the only one having ridiculous errors and problems but that its rather wide-spread) and I will certainly not recommend the game to my friends....

D not expect from amateurs like PGI are any good work. They are maybe fans of mwo setting but really bad game devs and greedy. They dare to ask horrible money for mechs even the game is not technically in beta stage(the content really sucks, technical issues are very serious[collision system, very cheap gfx, hw hefty engine, etc. ...). And a top of all that far cry engine which sucks balls heavilly.

Edited by Calebos, 17 January 2016 - 10:42 AM.

[xWiredx]

OP:

- The problems you are experiencing are not typical and point to your system instead of the game itself.
- This game is CPU-bound, so if you want better performance you will need to overclock your unlocked CPU.
- How have you been an MWO player since 2013 and have not ever gotten around to addressing these problems before?

[Kru3m3lmonst3r]

Durant Carlyle, on 13 January 2016 - 07:48 PM, said:

Any graphics card driver crashes are due to your graphics card.

And yes, this game CAN run well on overclocked CPUs AND GPUs. But only when the overclocks are stable. I've been playing MWO with various overclocked CPUs and GPUs since August 2012. I build my own computers specifically for overclocking and gaming. The new rig I built around Christmas week is a 6600K overclocked to 4.6GHz with a GTX 980 Ti overclocked to 1450MHz core, and I run MWO in 2560x1440 resolution at maxed settings.

Your #2 and #3 are related -- you don't have a stable overclock on your graphics card. Sometimes the stock overclock on those that come from the factory isn't stable, or it gets less stable over time.

FYI: You can use graphics card monitoring/overclocking software like MSI Afterburner and EVGA Precision X to underclock your GPU to a stable level.

No its not the card its the engine.
I do not have crashes in other games, and some of them are way more demanding. I can pretty much play on max settings in Warthunder, Far Cry 3/4, Warhammer Vermintide, GTA IV (not I GTA V though) and others. The card is pretty new and drivers are up to date. Also it has extensive cooling. The cooling never runs with more than 40%.

Like I said I have found other players with similar issues:
http://mwomercs.com/...ch/page__st__20

Quote

Hi there,
I looked into this issue for you and discovered that unfortunately this DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED error is one that occurs with all Cryengine games when using an overclocked graphics card. Unfortunately your GeForce GTX 750 Ti is factory overclocked which means there's no workaround for this error. We're trying to work on a solution for this issue that will be implemented in a future patch but until then I don't have any other ways of solving this problem for you.
Really sorry about this response and hopefully soon we'll have a fix for these DXGI errors on factory overclocked cards.
Take care,
Bobby Jubraj
Technical Support Representative
Piranha Games

Tarl Cabot, on 16 January 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

• You should easily be able to OC 2500k to at least 4.0ghz
  
• Factory OC'd GPU can be underclocked back to or below baseline. This is suggested as part of the trouble shooting process.
  
• Some of the differences between dx9 and dx11 is part of the load is moved from the CPU to the GPU...an unstable GPU, the hardware and/or software, is more likely to show up.
  
• the monitor " freezing" is the the GPU driver crashed and did not recover.
  
• Alt Tabbing - if full screen mode means that the information has to be reloaded, both system and gpu and memories.

Do you not see a common denominator? I agree, you should stop playing until you have done enough trouble shooting and tinkering to make your system stable. Ignoring the issue and doing nothing means something could give at any time while doing something else, especially pertaining to gaming.

First of all, thanks for the advice.
In general I don't think that OC the CPU should be an issue though. Modern games do in general not need a really fast CPU.
It should really be fast enough for every game my Card can handle.
To lower the clock really is painfull and no game should require that.
Nevertheless I tried underclocking my GPU but it didnt help. I have read that some people had succes with that and some did not.

Still fiddeling around but since the crashes are so very random I can never say if it worked unless maybe I play for like 2 days without a crash.
I noticed that the crashes are way more frequent on maps with extensive vegetation.

Edited by Kru3m3lmonst3r, 17 January 2016 - 01:55 PM.

[Kru3m3lmonst3r]

xWiredx, on 17 January 2016 - 01:50 PM, said:

OP:

- The problems you are experiencing are not typical and point to your system instead of the game itself.
- This game is CPU-bound, so if you want better performance you will need to overclock your unlocked CPU.
- How have you been an MWO player since 2013 and have not ever gotten around to addressing these problems before?

Since its the graphics driver that keeps crashing and since running it on DX9 increases performance drastically I am pretty sure its the engine / driver combination.
Moreover the performance is not just bad - it does not make a difference on which settings I play. If the CPU was on the limit changing the settings WOULD do something. Especially since DX9 shifts more work to the CPU than DX11 does.

When I started MWO back in the days I had a different rig. I took quite a break for some time and restarted a while ago with a new PC.

[xWiredx]

Kru3m3lmonst3r, on 17 January 2016 - 02:08 PM, said:

Since its the graphics driver that keeps crashing and since running it on DX9 increases performance drastically I am pretty sure its the engine / driver combination.
Moreover the performance is not just bad - it does not make a difference on which settings I play. If the CPU was on the limit changing the settings WOULD do something. Especially since DX9 shifts more work to the CPU than DX11 does.

When I started MWO back in the days I had a different rig. I took quite a break for some time and restarted a while ago with a new PC.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion be wrong. I will simply recommend you read through performance-related topics in the hardware subforum.

[Gremlich Johns]

random suggestions:

clean your registry out
eliminate spyware

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 17 January 2016 - 02:59 PM.

[Kru3m3lmonst3r]

xWiredx, on 17 January 2016 - 02:31 PM, said:

Well, you're entitled to your opinion be wrong. I will simply recommend you read through performance-related topics in the hardware subforum.

So why do you think that overclocking the CPU would help while switching from DX11 to DX9 improves the game when it is known, that DX11 shifts load FROM the CPU. If I look into the performance related topics I can just see that my PC should handle the game with ease on normal settings.

Btw no game should need an overclocked CPU or a downclocked GPU.
If any game does its a big fail from the dev.

I will definitely not overlock my CPU just because some game is poorly optimized.

I do btw play around with downclocking my GPU - if it helps I am OK with that.

Edited by Kru3m3lmonst3r, 17 January 2016 - 03:00 PM.

[xWiredx]

Kru3m3lmonst3r, on 17 January 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

So why do you think that overclocking the CPU would help while switching from DX11 to DX9 improves the game when it is known, that DX11 shifts load FROM the CPU. If I look into the performance related topics I can just see that my PC should handle the game with ease on normal settings.

Btw no game should need an overclocked CPU or a downclocked GPU.
If any game does its a big fail from the dev.

I will definitely not overlock my CPU just because some game is poorly optimized.

I do btw play around with downclocking my GPU - if it helps I am OK with that.

Your logic circuits aren't really firing at 100%, are they? We have an entire subforum of information that says not only that you are wrong, but also explains why and what you can do about it. If you don't want to do the reading, that's cool. You can just post a 'help me get my performance under control' thread in there and people will do it for you.

[Kaptain]

Kru3m3lmonst3r, on 17 January 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

I will definitely not overlock my CPU just because some game is poorly optimized.

Then there is nothing else we can do for you. This game is CPU limited. The developers picked the wrong engine (imo) and they have done a piss poor job optimizing it. Overclock the CPU and enjoy the improvement or complain. Those are your choices. One of them is effective, the other is not.

[Kru3m3lmonst3r]

xWiredx, on 17 January 2016 - 07:51 PM, said:

Your logic circuits aren't really firing at 100%, are they? We have an entire subforum of information that says not only that you are wrong, but also explains why and what you can do about it. If you don't want to do the reading, that's cool. You can just post a 'help me get my performance under control' thread in there and people will do it for you.

You are not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?

I named a pretty simple reason why I am very sure that overclocking wont do a damn thing but you do not even try to read through but stick to the "knowledge" that you gained somewhere.

Again:
DX9 -> more load on CPU but runs OK and crashes less frequently
DX11 -> less load on CPU but runs like crap and crashes frequently

"The CPU is the limiting factor - overclock it"......well yeah

My Problem is not the performance (which is still a joke) but the crashes.

Btw I am currently playing on my laptop That has a worse CPU and a worse GPU.
And while the performance is not brilliant it is at least reasonable in the fact that i runs better if I crank the graphic down.

This game has serious issues with some graphic cards and OCed ones and I dearly hope that the devs can fix that.
It is a shame since this game has so much potential.

[Omaha]

Perhaps read up on your mobo's bios settings. I know for me (clearly my e8500 is a different animal then an i5) using enhanced c1e helped.

Also you didn't list your motherboards model number. MoBo is just as important, and its settings. Do not forget power supply either.

My stuff is way way way old, and I really do not have stability issues. In fact I'm under the min reqs now. The only time I had issues was either with bad configs, or failing hardware.

My specs,
Intel dual core e8500
Asus p5n-d
corsair ddr2 4 gb
nvidia 8800gs

First I would go through and check for file system corruptions, running repair tool, sfc /scannow, disk chk. Then I would double check all my settings,and temps. Run a stability test (Prime95). If your over clocking double, triple check all your settings including memory timings, cpu/chipset settings, and voltages, while watching temps(including your GPU). Go with defaults and run all tests again, or start with default config.

In the past i've had issues with my directx files getting unregistered. I either reinstalled my video card drivers, or ran the dx9c redist that comes with the client. (I will blame my failing video card to that though.

Personally unless your having stability/issues with windows in general I would not recommend doing a clean reinstall with windows. It's a nightmare now to get up to date, since they released win10, and had updated the windows update. Not to mention all the runtimes needed for your system, .net, C++, and what not.

Something alot of ppl over look is power consumption of system components, Your mobo bios settings should help with that. It's possible that something is nearly ready to fail though, so always keep that in mind.

Hope you fix your issue, cause everyone needs some mech porn.

Edited by Omaha, 29 February 2016 - 05:42 PM.

[Beijing]

I have a pretty similar system since 2011 (i7 2600k, 8gb ram, gtx970) and I can assure you the limiting performance factor for MWO is the cpu (had 2 inferior graphics cards before and no significant performance increase with the better one now).

Those driver crashes and "freezes" could very well be due to hardware or driver issues. I'd recommend checking bios settings (also check for updated bios version) and doing a clean nvidia driver install first.

You should also be contacting MWO support at support@mwomercs.com and follow their directions.

[Ano]

Kru3m3lmonst3r, on 29 February 2016 - 02:23 PM, said:

I named a pretty simple reason why I am very sure that overclocking wont do a damn thing but you do not even try to read through but stick to the "knowledge" that you gained somewhere.

I hate to repeat what others have already said, but you should really stop by the Hardware & Accessories subforum and read some of the active performance analysis and optimisation threads in there (at least one of which was started by xWiredx two years ago). There's some fairly extensive analysis of where MWOs performance limitations are felt -- and there are definitely limitations. Obviously where a given system falls down is dependent on the system, but the evidence is pretty damn strong that, provided you're not running a fast CPU with a 5-year-old GPU, in most circumstances the CPU will be the limiting factor.

Kru3m3lmonst3r, on 29 February 2016 - 02:23 PM, said:

My Problem is not the performance (which is still a joke) but the crashes.

Btw I am currently playing on my laptop That has a worse CPU and a worse GPU.
And while the performance is not brilliant it is at least reasonable in the fact that i runs better if I crank the graphic down.

This game has serious issues with some graphic cards and OCed ones

I'm no expert on system stability and OCing, but those driver crashes and lockups you're seeing sound to me like your GPU is unstable. Particularly when you can play on inferior hardware with better results, that sounds like a corner-case problem with your main machine's GPU/overclock/driver cruft or some such.

[Stozzy]

Prime95, Kombustor

Stress, bench, and load till it sounds like something's gonna blow.

Run those, because i'm betting half the issues presented are stability failures. Either you boogered some BIOS settings and refuse to admit it, or your hardware crapped out for one reason or another.

I'm got a STABLE oc'd GTX960 4GB +150/350 & AMD 8370 +.5Ghz @1.33v full load LLC, 16gb 2133Mhz @1.59v. Never once has the game given me any issues. The only time it froze on me was when my LLC got dropped in the BIOS and the CPU became unstable, but that was an ASUS software issue trying to take control of my OC.

If you're having the issue you described on a stock hardware set up, with a clean OS and no 3rd party software running aside from MWO, your hardware has likely taken a dump.