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[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 January 2016 - 07:35 AM, said:

Yes, terrible that NARC and LRMs can finally be useful again... and doubly so because with semi-random map choices made AFTER mech selection.... people who load up with LRMs and MARCs for Polar get them and their team screwed on 75% of the other maps.

Most of the complaints boil down to coordination issues. Well, that and some Comps probably not wanting to use tonnage on AMS, etc.

Oddly, I have not used Radar Derp, ECM or AMS on the map yet. Have died to LRMs once, and being seriously bugged by LRms only a few times....and that's been while driving a slow warhammer.

I think it has more to do with Mighty Comp MetaMechs being killed by no skill, not comp approved noob tier weapons that has panties in a bunch than anything.

Too which I say.... hey they are comp..the great adapters... adapt, evolve and survive, bros!

Your post is riddled to the brim with hate. Step away from the dark side man. You must be calm, at peace, passive. Use the forums for knowledge and defense, never for attack.

Your lying to yourself if you think being NARCed on polar highlands doesn't suck, unless you happen to be right next to some good cover, which you can only find around like 3% of the map.

No one is saying they can't adapt, I have won 17 out of 20 matches on Polar Highlands. That is not what its about, its about having fun. Being NARCed and gimped isn't fun.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 January 2016 - 06:41 AM, said:

I generally could care less.

But not a shock, I guess it doesn't fit the perfect metahumper dream.

Proof you can be "comp" and still not be particularly tactical.

Hey, GMan doesn't speak for the rest of SJR, just letting that be known because I have been giving GMan crap (by calling him a butt) ever since he mentioned his salt, and most of SJR loves the new map (myself included).

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 22 January 2016 - 07:45 AM.

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kapusta11, on 22 January 2016 - 07:41 AM, said:

As if BT "fans" aren't trying to do the same.

This IS a Battletech Game. Fans are more important that esport epeen swinging L33Ts.

[Skoll]

I'm mediocre at best at this game. I literally only came back because I heard brawling was back. Before that I hadn't played in well over a year or two. However, I'm smart enough to aim for weak points, I know which weapons work best on which mechs, and I know how to move in a team.

Simple coordination can make you just as good as whatever tryhard team, the only difference between your average player and them is that they're like Gladiators compared to line soldiers. They endlessly train to fight in the arena and that is their play style. It puts the one role over the generalized, which absolutely does not work in actual warfare ( like Polar Highlands shows ).

Personally, I feel the new map is the most Battletech feeling one out of any other one in this game solely because it makes everything viable. I know you can't translate table top to a FPS, but the TT was fun in the aspect that it incorporated all kinds of warfare; not just the "I'mma slap 40 large lasers on my Black Knight and stay in the back all game" gameplay you see from so called tier 1s.

[Vaegir Raiden]

Gas Guzzler, on 22 January 2016 - 07:44 AM, said:

No one is saying they can't adapt, I have won 17 out of 20 matches on Polar Highlands. That is not what its about, its about having fun. Being NARCed and gimped isn't fun.

ITS. 450. METRES
ITS. 450. METRES
ITS. 450. METRES
ITS. 450. METRES


NARC can be bypassed.

Press W, turn around and make their LRM go have a LONGER distance.

Or equip AMS.

Edited by Vaegir Raiden, 22 January 2016 - 07:47 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

kapusta11, on 22 January 2016 - 07:41 AM, said:

As if BT "fans" aren't trying to do the same.

crazy that btech fans want "a Battletech game" to be more battletechy......

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 22 January 2016 - 07:44 AM, said:

Your post is riddled to the brim with hate. Step away from the dark side man. You must be calm, at peace, passive. Use the forums for knowledge and defense, never for attack.

Your lying to yourself if you think being NARCed on polar highlands doesn't suck, unless you happen to be right next to some good cover, which you can only find around like 3% of the map.

No one is saying they can't adapt, I have won 17 out of 20 matches on Polar Highlands. That is not what its about, its about having fun. Being NARCed and gimped isn't fun.

and bringing NARC only to find it useless 90% of their time isn't fun either-......

What do they say when a bad chassis like the Quickdraw gets overquirked? "Let it have it's time in the sun, dude"?

NARC can be countered. Yeah, you can't depend on PUGs to counter it, or UAVs. That's PUGlife. Our Comp Overlords live La Vida Group rop supposedly.... so maybe ti's time to break a little of the overspecialization mindset and actually be ready for anything?

As for anger and hate? More laughter and mockery that our great Master Race can't, or most accurately...doesn't want to have a single map that throws a wrench in their carefully crafted overspecialized gears.

[Gas Guzzler]

Vaegir Raiden, on 22 January 2016 - 07:47 AM, said:

ITS. 450. METRES
ITS. 450. METRES
ITS. 450. METRES
ITS. 450. METRES


NARC can be bypassed.

Press W, turn around and make their LRM go have a LONGER distance.

Or equip AMS.

Why does everyone say equip AMS? Yeah, 1 AMS on my mech is going to make the 80+ incoming LRMs go away.

"If your whole team does it it makes a difference"

Right, and we can enforce that one our whole team right?

Your LRM counter doesn't make sense. A light can close to 450m undetected easily, then what you say? Run away?

Man either explain or stop offering BS solutions that don't work. Running away from LRMs is the wrong idea, your whole team needs to move through the trenches to close, ASAP, or if your teammate is NARCed and you have range you poke at the LRM boat so that he has to stop staring down your teammate (or he keeps staring and gets rekt). Its not that LRMs are even a winning strategy, they just ruin someones day is all, the LRMs will still end up losing. That's the funny part. Maybe all LRM jockeys are sadists.

[Bishop Steiner]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 22 January 2016 - 07:44 AM, said:

Hey, GMan doesn't speak for the rest of SJR, just letting that be known because I have been giving GMan crap (by calling him a butt) ever since he mentioned his salt, and most of SJR loves the new map (myself included).

I know he doesn't. Heck SJR and 228 are two of the comp teams I actually have a lot of respect for and don't mind dropping with or against (cuz most of you guys don't act like dbags).

Heck I don't even have anything against Gman.... It's the lemming that think his Metamech list is the holy bible of how to play the game I tend to had a little disdain for. (And yeah, some of them are spot on the most "optimal" way to run a chassis. Still feel a player is better served discovering what works and what doesn't on their own, as they then actualyl do understand the game better.... and sometimes find that what works for them is NOT what the meta calls for)

I do however vociferously disagree with him about this Map, and because of the amount of salty tears from both TRVE KOMPS and CoD noobs, have just been savoring the taste....

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 January 2016 - 07:51 AM, said:

As for anger and hate? More laughter and mockery that our great Master Race can't, or most accurately...doesn't want to have a single map that throws a wrench in their carefully crafted overspecialized gears.

Because one guy made a factual statement that there is barely any LRM cover?

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 22 January 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

Why does everyone say equip AMS? Yeah, 1 AMS on my mech is going to make the 80+ incoming LRMs go away.

"If your whole team does it it makes a difference"

Right, and we can enforce that one our whole team right?

Your LRM counter doesn't make sense. A light can close to 450m undetected easily, then what you say? Run away?

Man either explain or stop offering BS solutions that don't work. Running away from LRMs is the wrong idea, your whole team needs to move through the trenches to close, ASAP, or if your teammate is NARCed and you have range you poke at the LRM boat so that he has to stop staring down your teammate (or he keeps staring and gets rekt). Its not that LRMs are even a winning strategy, they just ruin someones day is all, the LRMs will still end up losing. That's the funny part. Maybe all LRM jockeys are sadists.

so the real issue ain't the map...again..it's PUGlife?

And LRMs ruin someones day? WHy because once in a blue moon they can be effective?

Gas Guzzler, on 22 January 2016 - 07:56 AM, said:

Because one guy made a factual statement that there is barely any LRM cover?

little cover
tons of concealment.

Very myopic mindset most players have. Also... what..your team never has LRMs or a NARCer?

[Vaegir Raiden]

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Why does everyone say equip AMS? Yeah, 1 AMS on my mech is going to make the 80+ incoming LRMs go away.

1 AMS makes no to little difference..I AGREE but.if everyone would leave some tonnage and a slot for AMS then you would SEE and notice a difference.

6 Mechs WITH AMS gives a difference.

Make AMS standard..

Its the people who are not WILLING to equip AMS to get a extra DHS for their LASER BOAT.

Edited by Vaegir Raiden, 22 January 2016 - 07:59 AM.

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Gas Guzzler, on 22 January 2016 - 07:56 AM, said:

Because one guy made a factual statement that there is barely any LRM cover?

I mainly pilot an Atlas. Never had problem taking cover from LRMs in the trenches or behind a snow bluff. Sometimes you get caught and it sucks, but that's the nature of the beast. The issue at point is one person is arguing for a completely sterile and controllable environment and everyone else disagrees with him.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 January 2016 - 07:57 AM, said:

so the real issue ain't the map...again..it's PUGlife?

And LRMs ruin someones day? WHy because once in a blue moon they can be effective?

Of course its PUGlife, I know that.

Yes, have you never been NARCed before with no one with ECM to run to and no cover available? It sucks. (That is literally all I'm saying, not saying it has to go, or it can't be effective, or saying that anything should be done to the game. Plain and simple: it sucks)

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 22 January 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

Your LRM counter doesn't make sense. A light can close to 450m undetected easily, then what you say? Run away?

And where are your Lights that should be wolfpacking and killing that NARCer when sighted?

Where is your teams NARCer? (Not much more fun than watching a NARC'd Raven 3L getting all buttraped by LRMs in return... and especially if they get salty about in in chat, lololololol)

Wow, dude, seriously wanna show me where on the paperdoll the bad NARC touched you?

You are talking like it's some overwhelming unbeatable, all encompassing MEta.... you know...like Laservomit......

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 22 January 2016 - 08:07 AM.

[Vaegir Raiden]

Gas Guzzler, on 22 January 2016 - 07:59 AM, said:

Of course its PUGlife, I know that.

Yes, have you never been NARCed before with no one with ECM to run to and no cover available? It sucks. (That is literally all I'm saying, not saying it has to go, or it can't be effective, or saying that anything should be done to the game. Plain and simple: it sucks)

K.

TRUE. it sucks, but its like saying a AMMO EXPLOSION from legs to ST/CT as well.

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#LEARN2BRINGAMS
#LEARN2USEWHATCOVERYOUHAVE
#LEAN2NOTBECHEAPANDBUYARADARDERP
#LEARN2USEYOURNOODLE
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#LEARNNOTJUSTBEASHORTRANGEBRAWLER
#LEARN2BRINGMORETHANERLASERSORLRMS.
#LEARNNOT2BEALAZYPUTZ

Thanks PGI for making this new map that doesn't seem like an arena box.
Now about that sandy version hmmmmmmm.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 January 2016 - 07:58 AM, said:

so the real issue ain't the map...again..it's PUGlife?

And LRMs ruin someones day? WHy because once in a blue moon they can be effective?


little cover
tons of concealment.

Very myopic mindset most players have. Also... what..your team never has LRMs or a NARCer?

Well, the concealment doesn't work when you are NARCed or UAV. And usually no, my unit doesn't use LRMs very often. A couple of them do but get crap for it. I do once in a while if I am feeling sadistic.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 22 January 2016 - 07:59 AM, said:

Of course its PUGlife, I know that.

Yes, have you never been NARCed before with no one with ECM to run to and no cover available? It sucks. (That is literally all I'm saying, not saying it has to go, or it can't be effective, or saying that anything should be done to the game. Plain and simple: it sucks)

On this we agree.

So does Focus fire.

So does pinpoint perfect convergence.

So does overwhelming Metals in general.

The difference is that the % of time that the NARC suck happens is miniscule, even on Polar, to all the other forms of Suck that the comps embrace and ram down peoples throat, under the aegis that "our meta takes skill".

Well, lemme tell you as a person who loves to run Lights as NARCNinjas.... it takes a lot of skill to succeed and survive as a NARC spotter. Especially in pUG queue where just as often as not, you get position, lay some beautiful NARCs...and discover no one on your team brought any LRMs......

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 January 2016 - 08:01 AM, said:

And where are your Lights that should be wolfpacking and killing that NARCer when sighted?

Where is your teams NARCer? (Not much more fun than watching a NARC'd Raven 3L getting all buttraped by LRMs in return... and especially if they get salty about in in chat, lololololol)

Wow, dude, seriously wanna show me where on the paperdoll the bad NARC touched you?

You are talking like it's some overwhelming unbeatable, all encompassing MEta.... you know...like Laservomit......

Bishop, what the **** is the matter with you?

All I did in this thread is point out that being NARCed sucks, and everyone is reading into that statement as "omg its so OP". Get a grip and stop projecting. I didn't even say it happens very often to me.

And I don't consider laser vomit unbeatable, though I understand why you would.