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[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

To everyone complaining about PPC's, saying that they suck. Well they dont. Your the one who sucks. L2P noobs.

Been using PPC's for years, and the hitreg is just as bad as anything else in the game, so suck it up, learn how to build a PPC mech in the mechlab, and stop complaining.

Learn how to lead your target. It takes play time and practice. If your new to PPC's, or your that bad at hitting with them, theres always the training grounds.

[Russhuster]

well the PPC Bug is known for years
how do you suck up when your PPC projectile is hiting the target visually but does not inflict any damage
OR when your shot flies right through the target?

iam not new to PPC and i had that bug as well so stop telling this blunt nonsense

PPC ARE bugy you can do absolutely nothing in a mechlab or elsewhere against the fact that sometimes, especially when fired in Tandem or short after another the shot simply does zero damage when hitting

Edited by Russhuster, 23 January 2016 - 08:00 AM.

[VirtualSmitty]

There's always one!

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Alwrath, on 23 January 2016 - 07:53 AM, said:

To everyone complaining about PPC's, saying that they suck. Well they dont. Your the one who sucks. L2P noobs.

Been using PPC's for years, and the hitreg is just as bad as anything else in the game, so suck it up, learn how to build a PPC mech in the mechlab, and stop complaining.

Learn how to lead your target. It takes play time and practice. If your new to PPC's, or your that bad at hitting with them, theres always the training grounds.

PPCs are still objectively worse in stats than other weapons.

If you had perfect accuracy with a PPC and perfect accuracy with a large pulse laser the large pulse laser puts out more damage with less heat for the same weight.

If your accuracy wasn't perfect the large pulse lasers would definitely be easier to hit the enemy with than the PPC.

[Monkey Lover]

Ppc don't suck because of hitreg , they suck because of heat and speed.

[Aiden Skye]

This could get interesting

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

Russhuster, on 23 January 2016 - 07:59 AM, said:

well the PPC Bug is known for years
how do you suck up when your PPC projectile is hiting the target visually but does not inflict any damage
OR when your shot flies right through the target?

iam not new to PPC and i had that bug as well so stop telling this blunt nonsense

PPC ARE bugy you can do absolutely nothing in a mechlab or elsewhere against the fact that sometimes, especially when fired in Tandem or short after another the shot simply does zero damage when hitting

Like I said in my post, every. single. weapon. has. hitreg issues. its not just the PPC. People are claiming its so horrible and buggy but in reality its just as bad as any other weapon system.

[John Stryker]

They also suck because if you shoot at someone poking a hill, the shot will likely skim the hilltop 20 meters in front of the target and dissipate. Which is what keeps happening to my ppc shots on the new arctic map.

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

Dakota1000, on 23 January 2016 - 08:00 AM, said:

PPCs are still objectively worse in stats than other weapons.

How exactly are they worse in stats? You pay a very small price in heat over the LPL, cant fire under 90m, but it counters ecm and its pinpoint damage. If you know how to shoot and combine them with other weapon systems at 600m ( LL, ballistics ) it works. Hell you can use them with medium lasers. If a target is at 100 - 270m ( 330m quirked ), its a huge alpha. Combine it with 2 uac5's, 2 Gauss on assault mechs, large lasers, I really dont understand why people are so bad with them. L2P.

Edited by Alwrath, 23 January 2016 - 08:07 AM.

[RestosIII]

John Stryker, on 23 January 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

They also suck because if you shoot at someone poking a hill, the shot will likely skim the hilltop 20 meters in front of the target and dissipate. Which is what keeps happening to my ppc shots on the new arctic map.

This. I can fire lasers that are the exact same position as a PPC and the PPC will get caught on an invisible hitbox while the lasers continue on to hit the target. And I'm one of the people that consistently uses PPCs, since I'm a sick person and love my Shadowcat.

[Totenxcx]

Nah, PPCs do suck. They are strictly worse than the lasers. I see no reason to take them over the lasers. If you like using bad weapons, that's well within your right. Using bad weapons doesn't make you a better player than those that use good weapons. So there.

[oldradagast]

Not sure if serious.

But since I've got the time, let's carefully deconstruct the idiocy of the original post:

1) "I'm good with it, so if you're not, you suck." This type of fail "logic" is so bad it really doesn't deserve a reply, but in the effort to better educate, I figure it bears mention.

2) Yes, PPC's do suck. Let's look at the facts, not half-arsed opinions:

PPC vs. Large Pulse Laser:

PPC advantages:
- Front loaded damage
- Counters ECM (rarely useful, but technically should be mentioned.)
- Slightly greater range (again, rarely useful since hitting a target at max range is much harder with a PPC than a hit-scan weapon like a laser.)

Large Pulse Laser advantages:
- Less heat
- More damage (slightly)
- No minimum range
- Hit-scan weapon

So, yeah... based on facts alone, PPC's do "suck" when compared to Large Pulse Lasers. If your aim is perfect - and your PPC shots are not clipping random terrain or having hit-reg issues - they can be useful. But if your aim is that good, you can hold a laser beam perfectly on target through the full burn, so you are STILL better off using a Large Pulse Laser.

In short, barring huge quirks or gimmick mechs, PPC's are currently directly and objectively inferior to large pulse lasers.

Edited by oldradagast, 23 January 2016 - 08:15 AM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Alwrath, on 23 January 2016 - 08:06 AM, said:

How exactly are they worse in stats? You pay a very small price in heat over the LPL, cant fire under 90m, but it counters ecm and its pinpoint damage. If you know how to shoot and combine them with other weapon systems at 600m ( LL, ballistics ) it works. Hell you can use them with medium lasers. If a target is at 100 - 270m ( 330m quirked ), its a huge alpha. Combine it with 2 uac5's, 2 Gauss on assault mechs, large lasers, I really dont understand why people are so bad with them. L2P.

The issue is that in all those examples the LPL would be more effective by putting out slightly more damage and having 30% less heat. PPCs aren't entirely worthless and I can use them in a match just fine, its just that a LPL, for example, just works better. Also you never have to worry about being under 90m from your target.

I don't see 30% more heat being a small price but I do see a 90m dead zone as quite a large one.

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

Totenxcx, on 23 January 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

Nah, PPCs do suck. They are strictly worse than the lasers. I see no reason to take them over the lasers. If you like using bad weapons, that's well within your right. Using bad weapons doesn't make you a better player than those that use good weapons. So there.

Your right its such a horrible weapon when you can cockpit mechs at long range, something which the LPL can only dream of. L2P.

Dakota1000, on 23 January 2016 - 08:13 AM, said:

its just that a LPL, for example, just works better. Also you never have to worry about being under 90m from your target.

The LPL does not provide pinpoint damage at range, the PPC can. When you combine it with other weapon systems at range, its good. The LPL has shorter effective range. There are advantages the PPC has that the LPL does not. Damage falloff for the LPL starts before the PPC's optimal range, so at the same range you will deal less damage than the PPC, and its not pinpoint, this is a fact.

Edited by Alwrath, 23 January 2016 - 08:18 AM.

[oldradagast]

Alwrath, on 23 January 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

Your right its such a horrible weapon when you can cockpit mechs at long range, something which the LPL can only dream of. L2P.



The LPL does not provide pinpoint damage at range, the PPC can. When you combine it with other weapon systems at range, its good. The LPL has shorter effective range.

So, PPC's are great because, apparently, you "can't" cockpit somebody with a large pulse laser. To that, I say "learn to aim" and hold your beam on target.

Also, we're to believe PPC's are great because "you can combine them with other weapons." Yeah, such a ringing endorsement for the PPC there - they need to be propped up by other weapons... good thing you can't combine other, non-PPC weapons with other weapons...

Whatever... you're good with PPC's - that's nice - but you still fail to address the FACTS that prove that PPC's are objectively inferior to large pulse lasers. AND you have the need to pick a fight with everyone on the forums. I'm not wasting anymore time posting on this thread, and I'll just leave you to your own reality.

Edited by oldradagast, 23 January 2016 - 08:19 AM.

[Monkey Lover]

Alwrath, on 23 January 2016 - 08:06 AM, said:

How exactly are they worse in stats? You pay a very small price in heat over the LPL, cant fire under 90m, but it counters ecm and its pinpoint damage. If you know how to shoot and combine them with other weapon systems at 600m ( LL, ballistics ) it works. Hell you can use them with medium lasers. If a target is at 100 - 270m ( 330m quirked ), its a huge alpha. Combine it with 2 uac5's, 2 Gauss on assault mechs, large lasers, I really dont understand why people are so bad with them. L2P.

You have to mix them with good weapons because theyre that bad ha-ha

Ppc. Dph 1.0 only thing lower is erpcc and flamer ha-ha
Dps per ton. Only thing worse again is er ppc

There is no way you can compare it to the lpl. The lpl is one of the best weapons in the game and should be nerfed.


Of course mega quirked ppc mechs can make a ppc good again.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 23 January 2016 - 08:19 AM.

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

Monkey Lover, on 23 January 2016 - 08:18 AM, said:

You have to mix them with good weapons because theyre that bad ha-ha

Everyone mixes LPL with other " good weapons ", I guess you officially state that LPL are bad too? Well, we all know how much credibilty you have now.

Edited by Alwrath, 23 January 2016 - 08:20 AM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Alwrath, on 23 January 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

Your right its such a horrible weapon when you can cockpit mechs at long range, something which the LPL can only dream of. L2P.



The LPL does not provide pinpoint damage at range, the PPC can. When you combine it with other weapon systems at range, its good. The LPL has shorter effective range.

*PPCs only being able to kill a mech via cockpit shot by firing 4 at once, incurring the wrath of massive ghost heat, most likely shutting down, and be under about 700m while you can shoot 3 LPL for 33 damage, which is enough to kill a cockpit, without getting any ghost heat, of course at a shorter range though*

If you want extra range just go and get ERLLs instead since they get even more range than PPCs, weigh 2 tons less, take one less crit space, have 30% less heat, and deal one less point of damage but you can fire 3 at once without ghost heat, so it evens out.

You really do seem to be trolling though since you are just spewing "l2p" after every bad point you make.

Alwrath, on 23 January 2016 - 08:19 AM, said:

Everyone mixes LPL with other " good weapons ", I guess you officially state that LPL are bad too? Well, we all know how much credibilty you have now.

Lets not mention the triple LPL thunderbolt or the single LPL locust, or the LPL boating battlemasters, or any of the other LPL only builds shall we. Lets also not even think about how much more effective they are than builds that only run PPCs.

Edited by Dakota1000, 23 January 2016 - 08:22 AM.

[Monkey Lover]

Alwrath, on 23 January 2016 - 08:19 AM, said:

Everyone mixes LPL with other " good weapons ", I guess you officially state that LPL are bad too? Well, we all know how much credibilty you have now.

It was just joke

[Totenxcx]

Alwrath, on 23 January 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

Your right its such a horrible weapon when you can cockpit mechs at long range, something which the LPL can only dream of. L2P.

Oh wow! That's your case? I have about 4k games played and have yet to witness that happening.