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Saint Scarlett Johan, on 25 January 2016 - 01:31 PM, said:

Wait... wat?

AWS-8Q stock+ DHS
AWS-8Q stock+ SHS

Wow, you weren't kidding... the SHS version has 90 heatcap and 4.31 dissipation compared to the DHS version 79.8 heatcap and 4.07 dissipation. The only killer is that speed difference. Even with that 300 the 8Q feels like it's coated in molasses.

And you can do even better if you shave the unused arm down to get a STD 250 in.

[CDLord HHGD]

I am the anti-meta. I am the LOREHAMMER (moniker I took in the WAR days when those devs went away from lore. Not surprisingly, the game died shortly thereafter.)!

[Zolaz]

It is always a good idea to deviate from lore with a niche game ... Russ and Paul are so smart.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Zolaz, on 25 January 2016 - 03:27 PM, said:

It is always a good idea to deviate from lore with a niche game ... Russ and Paul are so smart.

Darn right. If this game stuck to Lore or TableTop rules, then it would have sucked!

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"Enemy Mech 400 meters ahead, walking slowly straight for me. Firing PPCs!"
"Damn, I missed!"
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Pilot A: "My 1-ton medium laser deals 5 damage."
Pilot B: "Oh yeah, well I have a 5-ton large laser. It deals a whopping 7 damage!"
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"My 6-ton autocannon deals 0.2 damage per second, but my 15-ton Gauss Rifle deals 1.5 DPS a t the same range."
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"My heavy autocannon can shred 2,600 pounds of ablative armor from a target standing 270m away, but the bullets bounce harmlessly off a target standing 271 meters away."

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"The enemy has a wounded Left Torso! Target his LT!"
*takes a pair office from pocket, rolls them on his Mech's dashboard panel*
"Darn it, looks like my shot is going to hit his leg."

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Yeah, I would not play under those circumstances.

[MysticLink]

3 Ac 10s Ilya is my most played mech. I just stopped playing with it ever since the new map came out.

[HammerForge]

Prosperity Park, on 26 January 2016 - 01:37 PM, said:

Darn right. If this game stuck to Lore or TableTop rules, then it would have sucked!

Yeah, fired my weapons....now to wait 10 seconds to fire my AUTOCANNONS again....why???? LORE!!!!!!

[CDLord HHGD]

I always find it amusing that when people like me bring up lore, others use the straw men arguments like dice rolling and 10 second turns.....

There are some OBVIOUS things that don't translate over, but there are a hell of a lot more than lore gets credit for and that you people understand.

Reticle shake
Blurred vision
Render distance

These are all things that can be used in place of TT mechanics that don't translate well and these have.been.done in other games with great success, even MWO.

[Y E O N N E]

Recoil is also a thing in TT; it's why larger ACs have shorter ranges.

[Druarc]

One of my fires is rocking all lbx it's fun at close range blowing limbs off almost anything

[Felicitatem Parco]

Yeonne Greene, on 26 January 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

Recoil is also a thing in TT; it's why larger ACs have shorter ranges.

You mean the recoil from firing a burst of 10-20 shells in a single volley? Yeah, the ClanUACs are closer to Lore than the IS versions, they just need more pellets to be more accurate to Lore.

Remember folks, large AC have reduced range because the cone of fire caused by recoil limits their accurate range.


cone




of




fire.


An AC/20 has a wide COF, which is why it has a short range in Lore and TT games... And somehow all the slugs hit a single component, or all miss entirely.

*shrugs*
#ReconcilingLoreandTT

Edited by Prosperity Park, 26 January 2016 - 03:25 PM.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

Autocannon on light 'Mechs, anybody? I have:

UAC5 Urbie - XL170 UAC5 + 3xML UM-R63(S) - my overall favorite 'Mech right now.

AC5 Urbie - XL170 AC5 + 4xML UM-R60L

AC10 Urbie - XL170 AC10 + SL UM-R60

AC20 Urbie - XL170 AC20 UM-R60L

AC10 Panther - XL200 AC10 + SRM2 PNT-10P

AC20 Raven - XL200 AC20 RVN-4X

UAC20 Adder - UAC20 + 3xERSL ADR-D

[RedDevil]

I run my Summoners with stock loadouts. All I tweak is the armour (move more torso armour to the front) and ammo ratios on the Prime and B. I won't get top score, but I still get >400dmg in all of them on average.

Actually, it's sad but that will sometimes get me top score :/

Edited by RedDevil, 26 January 2016 - 05:19 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Prosperity Park, on 26 January 2016 - 03:21 PM, said:

You mean the recoil from firing a burst of 10-20 shells in a single volley? Yeah, the ClanUACs are closer to Lore than the IS versions, they just need more pellets to be more accurate to Lore.

Remember folks, large AC have reduced range because the cone of fire caused by recoil limits their accurate range.


cone




of




fire.


An AC/20 has a wide COF, which is why it has a short range in Lore and TT games... And somehow all the slugs hit a single component, or all miss entirely.

*shrugs*
#ReconcilingLoreandTT

Videogames can do a much better job at representing the lore than TT ever did. It's why I shake my head at grognards who want to be true to TT instead of true to lore. FFS, PPCs are beam weapons. It says as much in the descriptions on Sarna. What do we get in every MechWarrior game? Sparkly, blue, fuzzballs that travel at the speed of Congress.

[Evan20k]

4 PPC WHK Prime with a fuckton of heat sinks. It's sorta feast or famine, but it's fun as hell to play.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

cdlord, on 25 January 2016 - 01:01 PM, said:

QFT!

I am slowly returning my Clam mechs to stock (slowly because that sh*t costs a lot) and a lot of my regular mechs are close to stock. Sure it a harder grind, but I love it when I score top damage and kills...

Timby Prime stock [or slightly modified, but keeping the flavor] is insanely powerful. 2 racks of LRM's backed up by Dual ERLL and ERML, plus the additional plinking of MG's... I've won soo many fights with that mech.

And the warhammer kitted out like the 6K [2ppc 2mls 2slas 1srm6, dub heatsinks] seems to do pretty well in the right situations.

The thing is, I totally understand the desire to modify these mechs. Bone stock, especially on the armor front, is a death sentence most of the time in pug matches. BUT, with minor modifications still keeping within the "Flavor" of the mech. Or sensible upgrades such as dub heatsinks. Some of these mechs can actually function quite well if you utilize even 1% of one's grey matter.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

HammerForge, on 26 January 2016 - 02:38 PM, said:

Yeah, fired my weapons....now to wait 10 seconds to fire my AUTOCANNONS again....why???? LORE!!!!!!

Arguably the weapons could fire x times/10 seconds... what matters is that the damage numbers match up to the total damage said weapon would do in 10 seconds. so if a PPC does 10 damage, but can fire 1 time per 5 seconds, then it would do 5 damage a shot.

you can make the lore rules work, it just takes some creative work around's. Or you adapt Solaris 7 rules which have faster firing times and higher heat penalty's.

[Bishop Steiner]

Prosperity Park, on 25 January 2016 - 11:27 AM, said:

I have spent this last weekend doing some levelin' of old dusty Mechs. I have only ever owned a single Cataphract (my Ilya Muromets that I have loveingly called "Perchorsky"), so I have been buying and leveling a couple others. The 0XP has ECM so it cauht my eye, and the 4X can rock the dakka.

Wow.

Now, let me just say that I played the 0XP long enough to basic it, and I just spent GXP to level the 4X. Wonder why? The 4X is just a gorilla-armed version of the JagerMech without any perks. You might as well call the Guns "AutoShovels" because your shots dig into the dirt all the time.

So, I have decided that non-jumping Cataphract are basically "hardmode" for this game if you want to use Autocannons. You're in a heavy Mech that can only engage on perfectly flat terrain. Want to use energy weapons in the shoulder mounts? Sure, you can, but a Firebrand will beat you in a fight since it has both energy and ballistics in high, useable mounts.


Anyways, back to my pointless point. I have decided to train myself in my finally-elited extreme risk/reward loadout. The anti Meta. A down engined, XL-touting, all low-hardpoint, AC-only configured Heavy:

Ilya Murimetes with 3 AC/10s.
XL-255
6 tons ammo
Endosteel
Shave a little armor off the legs.

This is the antimeta. Slow, face-timing, fragile, no Lasers at all, and weapons mounted lower than an Atlas.

This is fun. Real fun. Heart racing, always-afraid-of-death fun. And it's always glory or gore. Despite everything, I got my highest payout PUG mission ever with this load yesterday at 485k C-Bills. In polar highlands. With no AMS, ECM, or LRMs... Or teammates to help. 4 solo kills by sneaking behind the enemy team and stabbing them in the back one by one, plus the mop-up.


Try the antimeta. It will teach you positioning tactics, because you cannot depend on hill poking, corner peeping, or tanking to survive like this. Running wth the antimeta will teach you how to survive a bad-case scenario like no other loadout will. Poorly-engineered Glass Cannons FTW!

AC10 Ilyas are beautiful things (The Phract is still one of my favorite mech models in the game, too) though mine only runs 2..... with 2x ML... cuz I need my 340xl.

[htsmithium]

i have a X2 lbx2 shadowcat that is just plain fun, dosn't do a lot of damage, but i can screen shake form >1km away lol

[Soul Tribunal]

Stock, anit-meta Urban Mech.

32km/h of Fun!

-ST

* your results may vary. Always consult your doctor before stopping anti-meta treatment. Side effects may include giggling, fits of laughter,and excessive spilling of coffee. Always read and follow the label. Void where prohibited.

[Ted Wayz]

Remember when the Ilya was king? Because ACs mattered? And gorilla arms didn't matter because all weapons required skill regardless of hard point position?

We have come a long ways.