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[DjPush]

So... I don't usually use Ferro because you get more weight out of Endo-Steel. However, yesterday I was toying with different builds and decided to use Ferro. Why not give it a shot (along with command consoles and targeting compiters). So what is the deal with ferro-fiberous? Do you really get a 14% increase in armor? Or is this just a hoax like "double" heat sinks?

[wanderer]

You get more armor points per ton, but it doesn't mean they're worth more protection. It just means less tonnage to reach max armor. It's basically the last choice for saving weight, as endosteel is superior.

[Escef]

You're a Phoenix Overlord... Have been around for like, what? Two years? And you haven't figured it out yet?

It grants 14% more armor per ton. It does not raise max armor threshholds, does not reduce damage, etc. It's just more tonnage efficient.

[Mead]

lol

[MeiSooHaityu]

Ferro...

When you have already equipped Endosteel and you need a little bit more tonnage to play with, and have the crit slots to spare.

[DjPush]

Escef, on 26 January 2016 - 12:43 PM, said:

You're a Phoenix Overlord... Have been around for like, what? Two years? And you haven't figured it out yet?

It grants 14% more armor per ton. It does not raise max armor threshholds, does not reduce damage, etc. It's just more tonnage efficient.

I actually started playing in Dec of 2012 under a different account. At the time they wouldn't let me change my user name. So I created this account in March of '13. It's always been an argument between friends and I never really attempted to understand what it is. Forgot about it until now and was looking for a little re-education. Sorry to have offended you.

Edited by DjPush, 26 January 2016 - 12:52 PM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

DjPush, on 26 January 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

I actually started playing in Dec of 2012 under a different account. At the time they wouldn't let me change my user name. So I created this account in March of '13. It's always been an argument between friends and I never really attempted to understand what it is. Forgot about until now and was looking for a little re-education. Sorry to have offended you.

That's fair.

It's literally as others have said. it's more points/ton. But your max armor points are still the same.

it's mostly there for lore reasons. But it's inferior to Endo-Steel for the tonnage saved.

[DjPush]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 26 January 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:

That's fair.

It's literally as others have said. it's more points/ton. But your max armor points are still the same.

it's mostly there for lore reasons. But it's inferior to Endo-Steel for the tonnage saved.

Cool. Thank you. When you equip it it says "14% armor increase." wasn't quite sure what it meant.

Edited by DjPush, 26 January 2016 - 12:56 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

FFA is lighter armor. The Clans get more weight savings than the IS does, and CFFA takes up far fewer slots. It has no effect on the max number of armor points you're allowed to mount (which makes no logical sense at all, but it is a game).

So, equipping FFA is meant to let you save weght by making the same number of armor points weigh less. It is a lesser-upgrade than Endosteel, which saves you more weight.

The developers have decided so far that FFA will remain inferior to Endosteel, and so they simply decided to make FFA cost fewer c-bills to reflect this. It's a shame, really... Especially when the game utilizes mech designs that mount FFA instead of Endosteel... Which only a complete buffoon would do.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 26 January 2016 - 12:59 PM.

[1Grimbane]

all my mechs with the exception of my lights and some meds all run ferro standard struct and dble sinks, survivability with ferro is noticeable for me at least. i play real aggressive and need that extra defensive edge


when i say with the exception of lights i mean they have both ferro and endo on, not just ferro with a standard structure

Edited by 1Grimbane, 26 January 2016 - 01:02 PM.

[Darwins Dog]

1Grimbane, on 26 January 2016 - 01:01 PM, said:

all my mechs with the exception of my lights and some meds all run ferro standard struct and dble sinks, survivability with ferro is noticeable for me at least. i play real aggressive and need that extra defensive edge


when i say with the exception of lights i mean they have both ferro and endo on, not just ferro with a standard structure

As others have said, there is no difference between FF and regular armor in terms of survivability. The only difference is the weight of the armor. EndoSteel gives you more weight savings than FF. You have been shorting yourself on every mech you own (other than lights). Sorry.

EDIT: It's badly worded in the mech bay, so it's an understandable mistake. Max armor remains the same, regardless of armor type.

Edited by Darwins Dog, 26 January 2016 - 01:10 PM.

[Mechteric]

I'm normally all about sticking to the lore..


But I really think they should give Ferro more of a purpose in this game, and since they already have double armor over tabletop (not to mention quirks), they should allow mounting Ferro to actually go 14% above the normal max armor count. It would actually make it useful by itself versus its Endo counterpart that kills it in every other way.

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 26 January 2016 - 01:08 PM.

[Haakon Magnusson]

I agree, they should give ferro some perk to make it slightly more worth it. Maybe even something you might consider in a heavier mech over endo (Sure it'd give a small boost to clan omnis but it would take away one major gripe the free endosteel lobby has)

[Lyoto Machida]

DjPush, on 26 January 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

I actually started playing in Dec of 2012 under a different account. At the time they wouldn't let me change my user name. So I created this account in March of '13. It's always been an argument between friends and I never really attempted to understand what it is. Forgot about it until now and was looking for a little re-education. Sorry to have offended you.

Blame PGI for their abundance of in-game info about how MWO works. Too much info for everyone to comprehend.

CapperDeluxe, on 26 January 2016 - 01:08 PM, said:

I'm normally all about sticking to the lore..


But I really think they should give Ferro more of a purpose in this game, and since they already have double armor over tabletop (not to mention quirks), they should allow mounting Ferro to actually go 14% above the normal max armor count. It would actually make it useful by itself versus its Endo counterpart that kills it in every other way.

This x1000.

[Mead]

1Grimbane, on 26 January 2016 - 01:01 PM, said:

all my mechs with the exception of my lights and some meds all run ferro standard struct and dble sinks, survivability with ferro is noticeable for me at least. i play real aggressive and need that extra defensive edge


when i say with the exception of lights i mean they have both ferro and endo on, not just ferro with a standard structure

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[Felicitatem Parco]

Guys, keep this in mind:

FFA is cheaper than ES. It's a cheap add-on to ES if you have the slots.

If you start adding g features to FFA, like allowing more armor, then it will probably have to cost more, too.

[FupDup]

Prosperity Park, on 26 January 2016 - 02:01 PM, said:

Guys, keep this in mind:

FFA is cheaper than ES. It's a cheap add-on to ES if you have the slots.

If you start adding g features to FFA, like allowing more armor, then it will probably have to cost more, too.

C-Bills aren't a balancing mechanism, or otherwise your logic means that we have to make the LB 10-X into the most powerful weapon of the Inner Sphere faction.

[Silas7]

Prosperity Park, on 26 January 2016 - 02:01 PM, said:

Guys, keep this in mind:

FFA is cheaper than ES. It's a cheap add-on to ES if you have the slots.

If you start adding g features to FFA, like allowing more armor, then it will probably have to cost more, too.

I don't see the problem.

[Revis Volek]

Prosperity Park, on 26 January 2016 - 02:01 PM, said:

Guys, keep this in mind:

FFA is cheaper than ES. It's a cheap add-on to ES if you have the slots.

If you start adding g features to FFA, like allowing more armor, then it will probably have to cost more, too.

The funny thing is, you can almost make the same build on most mech WITH FF and ENDO but you loss room for DHS so even thought you have more weight you cant get better cooling with both most the time due to lack of slots.


So like others said, if you have the slots you CAN use FF but i still think DHS are a better investment for the weight and slots. Maybe if our heat scale wasn't wack this wouldn't be as big of a toss up.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

As others already stated:
32 points of Standard Armor: 1 ton
32 points of Ferro Armor: 0.9 ton

Or:
1 ton Standard Armor: 32 points
1 ton Ferro Armor: ~36 points


The lore reason for Ferro is that it's a cheaper upgrade than Endo and doesn't require ripping out the skeleton. Just remove all the old standard armor and put on Ferro instead. For instance, taking the WHM-6R, upgrading it to Ferro armor buys the mech an extra ton for another heatsink or more ammo and would only take a weeks for the techs to be able to do at pretty much any facility. On the flipside, to change it's standard skeleton out for Endosteel would require it going back to a factory and would take months, but it gains 3.5 tons of extra weight for allocation.

Sadly, in any MW game, Ferro is always inferior to Endo as Ferro doesn't buy a mech anything.