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[Ted Wayz]

Russ announced we will have crowd control via the use of flamers. Get ready for those 12-man flamer troll groups.

It is obvious the direction this game is headed. Russ wants this to be LoL with mechs. If this is what he believes will make the game viable, okay. Just come out and say it though. Stop pretending that this is a Battletech game.

[Shredhead]

Ted Wayz, on 30 January 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

Russ announced we will have crowd control via the use of flamers. Get ready for those 12-man flamer troll groups.

It is obvious the direction this game is headed. Russ wants this to be LoL with mechs. If this is what he believes will make the game viable, okay. Just come out and say it though. Stop pretending that this is a Battletech game.

Whatever it is you're taking, can I have some of it? Gotta be quite strong ****.

[MerryIguana]

CC break trinket (module) now available!

[Ted Wayz]

Shredhead, on 30 January 2016 - 06:52 AM, said:

Whatever it is you're taking, can I have some of it? Gotta be quite strong ****.

High on life.

As we got closer and closer to Steam release it became more and more obvious what direction Russ has wanted this game to go all along. Notice none of the upcoming changes have anything to do with lore or immersion. Russ talked about these things when he needed the BT crowd money, but it was never where he wanted to take this game and he admitted it last night.

MerryIguana, on 30 January 2016 - 06:56 AM, said:

CC break trinket (module) now available!

Yes, it is called coolshot.

I can't wait for the QQ when a single light can shut down an assault with the cheapest weapon in game that doesn't require ammo.

Edited by Ted Wayz, 30 January 2016 - 07:00 AM.

[MerryIguana]

Ted Wayz, on 30 January 2016 - 06:59 AM, said:

I can't wait for the QQ when a single light can shut down an assault with the cheapest weapon in game that doesn't require ammo.

Why do that when you can just kill them?

[C I L L I P U D D I]

The BT crowd are not the only people with money. The fallacy that the BT guys are the only ones spending money is played out and old. I've never touched a BT game outside of this one and could care less about the lore or immersion. Yet, I buy mech packs and MC. The BT crowd is slowly going away, but somehow MWO is growing and making more money than ever. Keep clutching to your Founder's tag like it means anything.

People want to shoot robots and blow stuff up, not get bogged down in your BT roleplay crap.

[Ted Wayz]

MerryIguana, on 30 January 2016 - 07:02 AM, said:

Why do that when you can just kill them?

True, I have seen a Cheetah face tank an Atlas. But then the tears will not be the same.

[Yosharian]

Can you actually link or screencap the comment you are referring to? This is all very vague.

[Ted Wayz]

Cillipuddi, on 30 January 2016 - 07:03 AM, said:

The BT crowd are not the only people with money. The fallacy that the BT guys are the only ones spending money is played out and old. I've never touched a BT game outside of this one and could care less about the lore or immersion. Yet, I buy mech packs and MC. The BT crowd is slowly going away, but somehow MWO is growing and making more money than ever. Keep clutching to your Founder's tag like it means anything.

People want to shoot robots and blow stuff up, not get bogged down in your BT roleplay crap.

You haven't read much and comprehend less of what I have said. So small words.

The...Battletech...crowd...made...the....game...possible...based...on...the...promise...of...a...Battletech....game.

Need help with any of the words above? I have spaced them out so you can use an internet dictionary via cut and paste.

[MerryIguana]

Cillipuddi, on 30 January 2016 - 07:03 AM, said:

Keep clutching to your Founder's tag like it means anything.

[Ted Wayz]

Yosharian, on 30 January 2016 - 07:04 AM, said:

Can you actually link or screencap the comment you are referring to? This is all very vague.

The commentary is mentioned in other threads and was in last nights town hall. Russ spent ten minutes on flamers, did you listen?

MerryIguana, on 30 January 2016 - 07:06 AM, said:

So hopefully both of you together will make up for my support of the game. But I doubt it.

[Mystere]

"Crowd control" is "suppression" by another name. As such, why is it so bad for a war game to have it?

[oldradagast]

While I don't want flamers to become lock-down weapons, it does make sense for them to be able to damage multiple mechs in the cone of flame. Admittedly, the enemy mechs would have to be very close to each other, but there's no good reason a steady stream of fire only damages 1 mech, which I think is how it currently works.

Finally, while I do feel the game needs A LOT more immersion and lore in it, Battletech is more than just robots shooting each other; you've got everything from mines to off-map arrow missile systems and bombing runs from areospace fighters. In short, there's a lot more complexity they can add while still remaining within lore, and some of it is clearly a form of crowd-control or breaking up simple murderballs.

Edited by oldradagast, 30 January 2016 - 07:10 AM.

[C I L L I P U D D I]

I think you mean, I don't agree with you. I appreciate the condescending tone of your comment though. You can get as frustrated as you want with me. I spend money on the game and have very little complaints for what it is. You can sit here and cry about 4 year old promises that never came to fruition or enjoy the game for what it is. You're trying to judge a fish's ability to climb a tree.

[Shredhead]

Ted Wayz, on 30 January 2016 - 06:59 AM, said:

High on life.

As we got closer and closer to Steam release it became more and more obvious what direction Russ has wanted this game to go all along. Notice none of the upcoming changes have anything to do with lore or immersion. Russ talked about these things when he needed the BT crowd money, but it was never where he wanted to take this game and he admitted it last night.


Yes, it is called coolshot.

I can't wait for the QQ when a single light can shut down an assault with the cheapest weapon in game that doesn't require ammo.

[Self Redact cause pointless] What do you think they are working on this PvE BS for all the lore neck beards and steering wheelers out there for?
Have you ever seen only one Mechwarrior game that conveyed any lore at all in their multiplayer parts? And don't bring up Solaris, an announcer =/= lore!
PGI has made more concessions to the original rules than any MW game before!
And before we see the hard data on the flamer changes, there's absolutely no reason to start throwing a hissy fit like a five year old! Because technically, I can already shut down an enemy mech with flamers, heating it up to 90%, it fires a laser and bam, it goes into shutdown!

Edited by Shredhead, 30 January 2016 - 07:50 AM.

[Hexenhammer]

Ted Wayz, on 30 January 2016 - 06:59 AM, said:

I can't wait for the QQ when a single light can shut down an assault with the cheapest weapon in game that doesn't require ammo.

MerryIguana, on 30 January 2016 - 07:02 AM, said:

Why do that when you can just kill them?

Ted Wayz, on 30 January 2016 - 07:03 AM, said:

True, I have seen a Cheetah face tank an Atlas. But then the tears will not be the same.

Can you imagine the rage people will have if a flammer light, locks up your mech, and the only thing you can do is stand there and get [censored]? You think people complain about LRMs? Wait till flamers actually do something.

Edited by Hexenhammer, 30 January 2016 - 07:19 AM.

[MerryIguana]

Ted Wayz, on 30 January 2016 - 07:08 AM, said:

So hopefully both of you together will make up for my support of the game. But I doubt it.

uh.. lol?

[Ted Wayz]

Mystere, on 30 January 2016 - 07:08 AM, said:

"Crowd control" is "suppression" by another name. As such, why is it so bad for a war game to have it?

It is indicative of what Russ wants this game to become, a FPS for the eSports crowd. This is not a war game. A war game requires context and this game is almost completely stripped of that.

Shredhead, on 30 January 2016 - 07:15 AM, said:

I have to ask this now: are you mentally challenged? What do you think they are working on this PvE BS for all the lore neck beards and steering wheelers out there for?
Have you ever seen only one Mechwarrior game that conveyed any lore at all in their multiplayer parts? And don't bring up Solaris, an announcer =/= lore!
PGI has made more concessions to the original rules than any MW game before!
And before we see the hard data on the flamer changes, there's absolutely no reason to start throwing a hissy fit like a five year old! Because technically, I can already shut down an enemy mech with flamers, heating it up to 90%, it fires a laser and bam, it goes into shutdown!

Hope you have gotten that out of your system.

Time will tell. I look forward to your future apology.

[C I L L I P U D D I]

So now we know what you're all boo boo butthurt about. Esports. Heaven forbid the game gets publicity and becomes a bigger thing than what the "niche trolls" want.

[oldradagast]

Cillipuddi, on 30 January 2016 - 07:20 AM, said:

So now we know what you're all boo boo butthurt about. Esports. Heaven forbid the game gets publicity and becomes a bigger thing than what the "niche trolls" want.

There is nothing wrong with esports, if done right. Will PGI do it right? I don't know, but I do know two things about this:
- It's not worth losing one's cool over some general ideas on making flamers useful. Now, if they turn them into "crowd lock-down weapons," we'll have a problem, but we're not there yet.
- Esports or not, the game does need more lore, and I'm not talking about obscure rules, but rather info. Every mech should have an in-game summary of its history and role. Every House and Clan should have similar information in the game. People should not have to wander around the internet to find this stuff, IMHO.