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[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Ok so, today I've been coming up with 100+ damage per burst builds. This includes the damage from a UAC double tap.

It started off with a brawler Mad Dog with 3 small lasers, 4 srm4s, and a UAC 20, pumping out 87 damage per burst. It was doing good but I felt there must be better out there.

So I went to the Timber Wolf, straped in a 3 small lasers, 4 SRM6s, and a UAC20, had a much stronger SRM punch and considerably more armor with no drawbacks, I could put out 103 damage in under a single second. Excessively high damage ensued.

But I wanted more.... I needed more. I decided to forgo speed, and loaded on more armor, but more importantly more firepower. I created a monster.

Here it is.

140 damage per burst, it can pump out a stream of UAC10 shells while cooling off, devastate anyone up close, and take a decent beating. All that damage and ample amounts of ammo and adequate cooling if not used in full bursts at all times. All this power and I don't even touch ghost heat.

Does anyone out there have a reasonably serviceable build on any mech that gets damage values this high without using LRMs?

[Piney II]

Great for a turret.

Have fun with some skilled light pilots eating your lunch while you do the Whale Samba to try to take them out.

Edited by Piney, 30 January 2016 - 10:49 PM.

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Piney, on 30 January 2016 - 10:46 PM, said:

Great for a turret.

Have fun with some skilled light pilots eating your lunch while you do the Whale Samba to try to take them out.

Thats the issue with any Dire Wolf, I'll have a chance if I have some teammates around and get some lucky shots in at least.

[Piney II]

OK. Up close and personal, that build will be nasty indeed, even with the staring time it takes with those weapons.................just don't get caught without support from your team.

[Khobai]

You can do even more damage than that. I made a direwolf that did 160 damage.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Khobai, on 30 January 2016 - 10:58 PM, said:

You can do even more damage than that. I made a direwolf that did 160 damage.

Saying that you did it and then not sharing the build, that's just mean.

[Mech Jager]

having a paper build id different than having a good build that works under what situations. Nothing better than a Scrow with 1lplas 2 mediums and 5smplas. If you learn to stutter step and then drop out after short time in combat it is nasty. It also has enough punch at mid to longish range to not be at the mercy of the team. Clan srtm builds with cmlas are also nasty.

I am not a fan of a build this is useful only if the team is going to win.

I do realize that theory is not bad and can help guide the real world too.

[Fox With A Shotgun]

If you really, really want to go for a burst and nothing else, there's always the Direstar.

11 C-ERPPC. That's 165 damage, of which 110 of it is pinpoint.

[Khobai]

Dakota1000, on 30 January 2016 - 11:05 PM, said:

Saying that you did it and then not sharing the build, that's just mean.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...abc39affc48228c

you have to fire the er small lasers 0.5 seconds apart, but thats not a big deal

[WrathOfDeadguy]

The One-Shot Atlas. Doesn't break ghost heat since SRMs were tweaked last. I guess you could lean on the AC20 while you wait to cool off or something. I'm pretty sure that's the absolute maximum firepower you can cram into an Atlas without LRMs. Obviously not as big of a punch as that whale since it doesn't have an extra 40 damage worth of Ultra double-taps.

You can stuff more kaboom into a KGC, but you have to run an XL to do it and once you get past about 110 damage most of your good options break ghost heat. Here's 120, but it'd almost certainly shut down on the first alpha because of ghost heat on the 20s. You could probably shave a little more armor off the arms because nobody ever shoots at KGC arms, maybe add a heat sink or something.

Disclaimer: the only one of those I've tried was the Atlas. They're all light on ammo, but the chances of going through all of it at those ranges in a 'Mech that can only alpha once before it has to cool off... yeah. It was funny for the first shot, but I'm terrible with assaults so that's the only shot the bad guys let me have. I don't use that config anymore (I did it to prove a point after someone claimed it was impossible to do a 100-point alpha on an IS 'Mech); I switched it out for a much less insane AC20/4xSRM4/4xML setup.

[Khobai]

Ive been running a 12 CSPL + 1 CLPL Executioner build. Its only 85 damage but ALL of it is directed beam damage. So unlike these other builds I can consistently put ALL that damage into a mech's CT.

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If you really, really want to go for a burst and nothing else, there's always the Direstar.

11 C-ERPPC. That's 165 damage, of which 110 of it is pinpoint.

Yeah but you have 0 armor. And you shut down forever after firing one time.

The direwolf build I posted above can do 160 burst, with close to full armor, and doesnt shut down

Edited by Khobai, 30 January 2016 - 11:32 PM.

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Mech Jager, on 30 January 2016 - 11:10 PM, said:

having a paper build id different than having a good build that works under what situations. Nothing better than a Scrow with 1lplas 2 mediums and 5smplas. If you learn to stutter step and then drop out after short time in combat it is nasty. It also has enough punch at mid to longish range to not be at the mercy of the team. Clan srtm builds with cmlas are also nasty.

I am not a fan of a build this is useful only if the team is going to win.

I do realize that theory is not bad and can help guide the real world too.

The build is essentially a quad UAC10 dire wolf with half the firepower, it still has the nearly 600m dual UAC10 tapping for longer ranges, but works best when the teams finally collide and it gets to bring the majority of its firepower up.

It can fire its full 140 damage then still keep firing by alternating the UAC10s and UAC20 without overheating. If the UACs jam then it has the SRMs to put out a little extra damage to help. If it is running cool then it can pump out the damage from the SPLs. Its sort of like a brawler, but relies heavily on always having overwhelming firepower rather than twisting and mobility.

Even as in a Dire Wolf most people don't expect this level of burst damage, usually the most people see is about 80 from a double tapping 4x UAC10 build.

Khobai, on 30 January 2016 - 11:16 PM, said:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...abc39affc48228c

you have to fire the er small lasers 0.5 seconds apart, but thats not a big deal

Ah, I tried out a loadout with 12 small pulses backing up quad UAC 5s before, found that it ran far too hot though, and I prefered the heavier punch of the autocannons over lasers.

[Khobai]

Well the problem with small pulses is the short range.

It works on the Executioner because its fast. But the Direwolf is too slow to pull off small pulse lasers.

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Khobai, on 30 January 2016 - 11:37 PM, said:

Well the problem with small pulses is the short range.

It works on the Executioner because its fast. But the Direwolf is too slow to pull off small pulse lasers.

Yeah, the quad UAC5s worked out well enough, but the heat of firing off all those didn't justify the damage they did for me, especially on hotter maps. Also without the screenshake of the larger ACs I found that it just didn't have the same effect on enemies trying to come at me. Then add in the need to avoid ghost heat and its looking even worse. It worked out decently, but it definitely wasn't the best and was much more niche than just putting on 2 extra UAC5s.

[Hit the Deck]

IMO the only practical (I know that this thread is not about it) high burst damage build is one carried by a Timby, which the OP already mentioned.

On the IS side we have the Atlas.

[LordNothing]

if you are counting double taps just put 3 uac20s on a dire and call it an evening. thats 120 damage if nothing jams. catch is its not quite a one shot alpha, in order to fire and not die, you need to chain fire.

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LordNothing, on 31 January 2016 - 01:21 AM, said:

if you are counting double taps just put 3 uac20s on a dire and call it an evening. thats 120 damage if nothing jams. catch is its not quite a one shot alpha, in order to fire and not die, you need to chain fire.

Its also much much lower damage done in a single second. I was asking for builds that are reasonable able to keep firing, don't hit ghost heat, and pump out high damage. The build in my OP puts its 140 points of damage out in a second while having no ghost heat and having weapons to use at longer ranges and weapons it can use while cooling.

Triple UAC20 leaves me at close range firing streams of shells for about 3 seconds to put out that damage if nothing jams and I wait only 0.5 seconds between each click. Not to mention the heat even if I managed to not trigger ghost heat.

[LordNothing]

i do this thing where i can fire 2 of them simultaneously with a cool shot 9x9 with override on. i dont know if it works with 3 though. but that is still a one hit thing.

Edited by LordNothing, 31 January 2016 - 03:41 AM.

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LordNothing, on 31 January 2016 - 03:34 AM, said:

i do this thing where i can fire 2 of them simultaneously with a cool shot 9x9 with override on. i dont know if it works with 3 though.

That sounds like a pretty expensive shot. I've never used coolshots though, so I didn't really think about using them here.

[KingRock]

You could probably fit 6 srm6 and 2 Uac20 on a mad dog with no armour and enouvh ammo for 2 bursts? 152 damage should be enough on the rear CT of anything , plus it's mobile

Also try 5 CLRM20 on a summoner with no armour. It's hilarious