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[Bonger Bob]

lol, another mech that screams for melee ( fists on both arms, WITH massive spikes ), yet we have no melee .... or knockdowns.....or death from above......

GJ Russ, whats next, something wielding a totally visual and non functional giant axe ???

[Imperius]

Bonger Bob, on 01 February 2016 - 04:38 PM, said:

lol, another mech that screams for melee ( fists on both arms, WITH massive spikes ), yet we have no melee .... or knockdowns.....or death from above......

GJ Russ, whats next, something wielding a totally visual and non functional giant axe ???

Melee had no place in this game

[Clownwarlord]

Looks like the hit boxes will be a cross between the Hunchback IIC and an Atlas. So look at the CT it looks like a match to the Hunchback IIC CT design (minus the head area). Then look at the sholders they have the curve of the Atlas. The Atlas Arms do not come down low enough to cover the legs; just like this photo of the Kodiak concept. So Yeah I can see this being the Kodiak and it looks great, but I also have a feeling it will be given similar structure quirks the Atlas received to make it a viable 100 ton mech.

It looks beasty like an Atlas and I hope it lives up to the hype of being a clan brawl 100 ton mech.

[Hit the Deck]

clownwarlord, on 01 February 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

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So Yeah I can see this being the Kodiak and it looks great, but I also have a feeling it will be given similar structure quirks the Atlas received to make it a viable 100 ton mech.

The recent IICs got no quirk so it would be weird if the Kodiak gets it at release.

[wanderer]

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Melee had no place in this game

Well, not MW4s apparent attempt to put beam sabers on "battle armor" twice the tonnage of the actual unit. Melee, if it's done right should be a considerably longer cooldown and generally for much less DPS than the utterly loopy stuff MekTek seemed to be putting out there.

A Kodiak punches for the same damage as an AC/10 and kicks like an AC/20. Starting a kick would trigger cooldown on both fists as well, starting a punch would trigger cooldown on a kick (but allow the other fist to swing) and shut down arm-mounted weapons until it was done. And we're talking significant cooldown here. 5+ seconds. Melee damage was tonnage/10 for punches, tonnage/5 for kicks. Missing hand/arm actuators? Your punch gets even weaker. But it'd be a nice heat-free option to deal a bit of damage up close and personal.

Edited by wanderer, 01 February 2016 - 04:56 PM.

[Roadkill]

Mister Blastman, on 01 February 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

We need melee.

We already need melee.

[Imperius]

wanderer, on 01 February 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

Well, not MW4s apparent attempt to put beam sabers on "battle armor" twice the tonnage of the actual unit. Melee, if it's done right should be a considerably longer cooldown and generally for much less DPS than the utterly loopy stuff MekTek seemed to be putting out there.

A Kodiak punches for the same damage as an AC/10 and kicks like an AC/20. Starting a kick would trigger cooldown on both fists as well, starting a punch would trigger cooldown on a kick (but allow the other fist to swing) and shut down arm-mounted weapons until it was done. And we're talking significant cooldown here. 5+ seconds. Melee damage was tonnage/10 for punches, tonnage/5 for kicks. Missing hand/arm actuators? Your punch gets even weaker. But it'd be a nice heat-free option to deal a bit of damage up close and personal.

You guys claim that can't balance tech 2 yet... They can add melee? Which is it? Btw new weapons are new weapons...

[Bonger Bob]

wanderer, on 01 February 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

Well, not MW4s apparent attempt to put beam sabers on "battle armor" twice the tonnage of the actual unit. Melee, if it's done right should be a considerably longer cooldown and generally for much less DPS than the utterly loopy stuff MekTek seemed to be putting out there.

A Kodiak punches for the same damage as an AC/10 and kicks like an AC/20. Starting a kick would trigger cooldown on both fists as well, starting a punch would trigger cooldown on a kick (but allow the other fist to swing) and shut down arm-mounted weapons until it was done. And we're talking significant cooldown here. 5+ seconds. Melee damage was tonnage/10 for punches, tonnage/5 for kicks. Missing hand/arm actuators? Your punch gets even weaker. But it'd be a nice heat-free option to deal a bit of damage up close and personal.

yup, it wouldn't be game breaking, it would be conducive with lore and would enhance gameplay overall. It would be a last resort for someone to engage in melee, not the only and best choice for 99% of mechs.

the Kodiak is just another example of how Russ and PGI will continue to disregard entire aspects of the game and lore for the sake of pushing on releasing mechs to keep the money fountain going rather than actually coding and building the game.

More minimum viable product for the fanatics to throw money at, keeping people distracted from whats really happening.

[Coralld]

MechPorn, on 01 February 2016 - 03:25 PM, said:

Oh god I can just imagine this thing standing over some one while they are sleeping in the middle of the night.

Roadkill, on 01 February 2016 - 04:33 PM, said:

You were expecting Spider hitboxes on a 100-ton behemoth?

No, I was expecting hitboxes on the scale of a barn door, clearly I am not disappointed. Where did you get the idea that I was expecting it to have good hitboxes?

Edited by Coralld, 01 February 2016 - 05:36 PM.

[pbiggz]

For the record...

I love polar bears. They are the best bears.

[Lord0fHats]

I doubt the Kodiaks will be meta (hardpoints too low), but I think they'll find their place. Lots of energy hard points are likely a given, and XL400 on a 100 ton assault mech is going to be crazy. The Hero will likely be the best (unless it has bad hard points) given that it comes with MASC. Even with mediocre hitboxes, I can see the Kodiak replacing the Warhawk as the Clan's go to fast assault.

[Teh Hobo]

All these people wanting to punch something with a CLAN mech make me sad. These honorless dezgra, not even fit for a solohama brigade, need to stop with this chalcas and re-read the tennants of Zellbrigen.

As dirty inner sphere scum though... I need my atlas to be able to punt light mechs across the map.

[Hit the Deck]

Lord0fHats, on 01 February 2016 - 05:56 PM, said:

...I can see the Kodiak replacing the Warhawk as the Clan's go to fast assault.

It's 15 tons heavier though, so maybe not a particularly good choice for CW. But it's the best choice when you want to move at WHK/EXE speed while carrying 2Gauss+2LPL/(2ERLL+2ERML), if we get the "3" variant.

[LegendaryArticuno]

Where do I signup for the Clans?

[Imperius]

Hit the Deck, on 01 February 2016 - 06:17 PM, said:

It's 15 tons heavier though, so maybe not a particularly good choice for CW. But it's the best choice when you want to move at WHK/EXE speed while carrying 2Gauss+2LPL/(2ERLL+2ERML), if we get the "3" variant.

MK II would have done it better

[White Bear 84]

Coralld, on 01 February 2016 - 12:23 PM, said:

I shall give it a bunch of streaks and name it... Pedo-bear........ He likes Loli-light mechs.

[Alex Morgaine]

wanderer, on 01 February 2016 - 04:07 PM, said:

Thoughts about melee based on mw4

Nightshade24, on 01 February 2016 - 03:37 PM, said:

Ref mw4 melee.

Tbh a 20 ton battle armor was just too make it work in that game. If, and I stress if pgi had the programming ability, they could make melee work much better and more balanced easily. But there are more pressing issues before they even look at that, and tbh we probably won't see melee till cw phase 4 and/or hbs bt building the model and animations for a hatcherMan and/or axe man.

[wanderer]

Teh Hobo, on 01 February 2016 - 06:04 PM, said:

All these people wanting to punch something with a CLAN mech make me sad. These honorless dezgra, not even fit for a solohama brigade, need to stop with this chalcas and re-read the tennants of Zellbrigen.

As dirty inner sphere scum though... I need my atlas to be able to punt light mechs across the map.

This from the faction the Ghost Bears kept trying to break of their axe habit.

And failed. The Ghost Bears eventually got into the whole "mashing things with massive force trauma applications" after hanging out in the FRR long enough.

Besides, it was the Jade Falcons that gave us the "incinerate enemy pilot with our jump jet" maneuver and end up the mother of the Mongol Doctrine. Hint: Much stomping happens amidst other war crimes.

Imperius, on 01 February 2016 - 05:17 PM, said:

You guys claim that can't balance tech 2 yet... They can add melee? Which is it? Btw new weapons are new weapons...

>implying stuffing dozens of new weapons into the game is anywhere near as difficult as giving everyone the same fists and feet

Seriously? It's literally the SAME "weapons" for BOTH TECH TREES. Kodiak punches thing for 10. Atlas punches thing for 10. There isn't a difference, it'd actually be the first case where Clan and IS got to do the exact same thing.

[MeiSooHaityu]

pbiggz, on 01 February 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

For the record...

I love polar bears. They are the best bears.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 01 February 2016 - 06:46 PM.

[pbiggz]

wanderer, on 01 February 2016 - 06:37 PM, said:

This from the faction the Ghost Bears kept trying to break of their axe habit.

And failed. The Ghost Bears eventually got into the whole "mashing things with massive force trauma applications" after hanging out in the FRR long enough.

Besides, it was the Jade Falcons that gave us the "incinerate enemy pilot with our jump jet" maneuver and end up the mother of the Mongol Doctrine. Hint: Much stomping happens amidst other war crimes.



>implying stuffing dozens of new weapons into the game is anywhere near as difficult as giving everyone the same fists and feet

Seriously? It's literally the SAME "weapons" for BOTH TECH TREES. Kodiak punches thing for 10. Atlas punches thing for 10. There isn't a difference, it'd actually be the first case where Clan and IS got to do the exact same thing.

You underestimate the amount of work that would have to go into melee. Do light mechs punch lighter than assaults? Do they take structure damage when they punch? What are the ranges? What damage do they do? What happens to components in the arm? What about mechs that dont have fists? How much damage do they do?

Tech 2 is WAY easier to add to the game than melee. We already have a third of it anyway.

MeiSooHaityu, on 01 February 2016 - 06:44 PM, said:

I work at a zoo. Do not question my bear knowledge.