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[Sandpit]

cdlord, on 03 February 2016 - 10:37 AM, said:

Maybe I should ask, just to get the facts straight....

Was MS charged the regular CBill penalty for breaking contract as per the rules of the game?
Was MS forced to wait the mandatory 3 day grace period that all the other units have to wait for?

If the answer to any of these questions is "no" then you have hit the root of the problem. With the history of PGI's "we balanced based on feedback from certain competitive players" you see why I'm miffed as this is just another example of doing what the comp crowd wants while ignoring casuals and lore enthusiasts.

^^
pretty well sums it up.

Dont' like something in CW? Just bug Russ on twitter to get it changed to your advantage.

Well if you're special and important enough that is.

As mentioned earlier, it's perception. This is not how professional companies operate. Can you imagine the ridiculousness of the situation if Bill Gates played out that exact scenario regarding Windows?

Be professional.
That is not professional.

People are also completely disregarding the notion that it completely and totally just showed your entire public audience that PGI is nothing more than Russ telling others what to do based on a Tweet.
Perception

People are also ignoring that this is a slippery slope. You dont' make design decisions for a multi-million dollar project based on a Twitter conversation.

[JaxRiot]

cdlord, on 03 February 2016 - 10:37 AM, said:

Maybe I should ask, just to get the facts straight....

Was MS charged the regular CBill penalty for breaking contract as per the rules of the game?
Was MS forced to wait the mandatory 3 day grace period that all the other units have to wait for?

If the answer to any of these questions is "no" then you have hit the root of the problem. With the history of PGI's "we balanced based on feedback from certain competitive players" you see why I'm miffed as this is just another example of doing what the comp crowd wants while ignoring casuals and lore enthusiasts.

To me the question is - What was the Need for the free faction change?

Its not like MS doesnt have the Cbills, so that couldnt be the reason.

And they say that they were at the end of their contract anyway. And even if they were not, its not like the 3 day grace period would change anything.

So what was the Need to not wait a couple of days?

I know that there is a population imbalance right now, but its been that way for weeks, and will probably stay that way for a few more weeks. A few days either way isnt going to change anything.

Im just not seeing the need for it to happen the way that it did. Im not understanding the importance of bypassing a few days

And why is it only MS that gets to bypass the process?

Edited by JaxRiot, 03 February 2016 - 10:58 AM.

[Sandpit]

Mead, on 03 February 2016 - 10:24 AM, said:

https://twitter.com/...729651927781376

On reflection, that may have been too subtle a dig. Oh well. Phase 3 will hopefully reset everything anyway.

Now if everyone else on the forums would do the same

Just once per day

I don't care what your opinions are, just make PGI pay more attention to their community period.

[Afuldan McKronik]

Its the perception of playing favorites. And having this pop up before a balancing pass.

Because it wasnt offered to all players/units, and not having an in-game way to tell faction balances at a glance before taking a contract, it gets under the skin very quickly. I do see the wisdom of having MS swap, but why not arbituarily re assign all units if you are going to do one. Force faction balance.

My earlier post was fueled by no sleep or coffee lol.

[Mystere]

cdlord, on 03 February 2016 - 10:37 AM, said:

Maybe I should ask, just to get the facts straight....

Was MS charged the regular CBill penalty for breaking contract as per the rules of the game?
Was MS forced to wait the mandatory 3 day grace period that all the other units have to wait for?

If the answer to any of these questions is "no" then you have hit the root of the problem. With the history of PGI's "we balanced based on feedback from certain competitive players" you see why I'm miffed as this is just another example of doing what the comp crowd wants while ignoring casuals and lore enthusiasts.

Sandpit, on 03 February 2016 - 10:53 AM, said:

People are also ignoring that this is a slippery slope. You dont' make design decisions for a multi-million dollar project based on a Twitter conversation.

You're both conflating game design balance with game map state "balance". I see the former as a big deal, the latter not so much.

And I agree with this very much:

Aresye, on 03 February 2016 - 09:43 AM, said:

Just gonna leave this here: http://www.cracked.c...-by-asking.html

This is not a case of favoritism, especially considering Russ does not seem to like MS in the first place.

Edited by Mystere, 03 February 2016 - 11:05 AM.

[Kjudoon]

Huh... "We're too big to fail, gimmeh mah bailout." comes to MWO.

[Mystere]

Afuldan McKronik, on 03 February 2016 - 11:00 AM, said:

Its the perception of playing favorites. And having this pop up before a balancing pass.

I'd agree with you if not for the impression I have that Russ disdained MS.

Edited by Mystere, 03 February 2016 - 11:07 AM.

[Sandpit]

Afuldan McKronik, on 03 February 2016 - 11:00 AM, said:

Its the perception of playing favorites. And having this pop up before a balancing pass.

Because it wasnt offered to all players/units, and not having an in-game way to tell faction balances at a glance before taking a contract, it gets under the skin very quickly. I do see the wisdom of having MS swap, but why not arbituarily re assign all units if you are going to do one. Force faction balance.

My earlier post was fueled by no sleep or coffee lol.

This is exactly the problem with doing things like this though.

Russ doesn't seem to understand that his decisions like this make it seem like (and this isn't the first time) there are favored units and players in the game that PGI gives special attention to as well as changing the rules to accommodate them as needed.

This is not the first time a situation like this has come up. I dont' care if it IS "good for the game", you cannot do business this way. it sends the wrong message to the rest of your players.

This, at its core, IS special treatment of one section of players. I don't care of the intentions were good (we all know what the road to h3ll looks like right?)

MS was given special treatment. Period.
The why doesn't matter.

That's exactly what has happened.

Mystere, on 03 February 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

I'd agree with you if not for the impression I have that Russ disdained MS.

see above

Special treatment that broke the rules every other player has to follow was given to one unit.
period

[Mystere]

Why do I have this uncanny feeling that furious disdain for Wall Street is being directed at MS?

[Kjudoon]

Mystere, on 03 February 2016 - 11:12 AM, said:

Why do I have this uncanny feeling that furious disdain for Wall Street is being directed at MS?

As much as I'd want to see the "Occupados" fall into a dysentery infested sink hole filled with starving alligators and sewer flushed pythons... nobody likes the bailout of privileged people if they have any moral core worth a jolly fig.

Edited by Kjudoon, 03 February 2016 - 11:17 AM.

[Afuldan McKronik]

Sandpit, on 03 February 2016 - 11:09 AM, said:

This is exactly the problem with doing things like this though.

Russ doesn't seem to understand that his decisions like this make it seem like (and this isn't the first time) there are favored units and players in the game that PGI gives special attention to as well as changing the rules to accommodate them as needed.

This is not the first time a situation like this has come up. I dont' care if it IS "good for the game", you cannot do business this way. it sends the wrong message to the rest of your players.

This, at its core, IS special treatment of one section of players. I don't care of the intentions were good (we all know what the road to h3ll looks like right?)

MS was given special treatment. Period.
The why doesn't matter.

That's exactly what has happened.


see above

Special treatment that broke the rules every other player has to follow was given to one unit.
period

It will never end, now that it has been proven that it can and has been done. Cant see this happening before every balance pass or new mech release, nope.

I do like the idea of all CW rewards held untill the end of a season, though. Its not a loyalist contract, and you may have to make seasons short (1 month) but it would give people incentive to stick it out. But you would have to force faction balance.

This, though, IS favoritism. Cannot deny that.

[Sandpit]

Mystere, on 03 February 2016 - 11:12 AM, said:

Why do I have this uncanny feeling that furious disdain for Wall Street is being directed at MS?

It's the idea that rules only apply to some of us. If you're "in tight with Russ on Twitter", the rules don't apply.

That's exactly the message it sends and perception of the situation in the first place

[Zibmo]

Shredhead, on 03 February 2016 - 10:33 AM, said:

The answer is 2. The question is nonsensical hyperbole anyway, as nobody ever said that in this thread.

From page 2 of this thread:
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Aresye, on 02 February 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:[/color]


It was also designed for large groups, not, "Solo Queue v2.0."

Getting butthurt about large units? Go play solo queue where you and every other teamwork hating filth in this game belongs.

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Cut and paste fail, but the gist is there. That's when the person you are quoting started asking the question. "How large does a unit have to be to not be filth?"

Edited by Zibmo, 03 February 2016 - 11:27 AM.

[Sandpit]

Afuldan McKronik, on 03 February 2016 - 11:21 AM, said:

This, though, IS favoritism. Cannot deny that.

Exactly

Why should I follow the rules?
That's exactly the message things like this send.

It also did nothing but reinforce the idea that PGI could give 2 sh*ts about the forums. Want major rule breaking deals?
just Tweet Russ and bypass not only the rules, but every member of the PGI team, every other player that has also spent money and supported this game and community.

This isn't MS' fault, this if Russ' fault.

[Afuldan McKronik]

Maybe if PGI had forced a max unit size from the word go, it wouldnt be a big deal. Having as many players in one unit as MS does, it effectively gives them less opponents. Kind of creating and sustaining the population imbalance, because now, no matter where they go, the faction population increases/decreases in a huge amount relatively.

Edit: if the playerbase for CW isnt large enough to handle the transition.

Edited by Afuldan McKronik, 03 February 2016 - 11:28 AM.

[Afuldan McKronik]

Sandpit, on 03 February 2016 - 11:25 AM, said:

Exactly

Why should I follow the rules?
That's exactly the message things like this send.

It also did nothing but reinforce the idea that PGI could give 2 sh*ts about the forums. Want major rule breaking deals?
just Tweet Russ and bypass not only the rules, but every member of the PGI team, every other player that has also spent money and supported this game and community.

This isn't MS' fault, this if Russ' fault.

"Every other player..." This. So much this. Not a good feeling for anyone.

[Revis Volek]

LOL its not a conspiracy its just lame a$$hats circumventing rules and mechanics because i dont know why...

Its just another dumb move, i guess we all get a free one if MS does right? So all i have to do is ask? and I too can circumvent Cbill sinks and other things put in place by the PGI staff and Devs to keep other from being able to do this for free? I mean ever the prsident has to power to help you get around these things that other pleabs HAVE to do because they dont have Twitter or Russ' ears.


Its not a conspiricay its just idiocy, Stay Classy PGI.

[Mystere]

Sandpit, on 03 February 2016 - 11:21 AM, said:

It's the idea that rules only apply to some of us. If you're "in tight with Russ on Twitter", the rules don't apply.

Except it's MS we're talking about here. They ain't exactly tight with Russ. As such, sometimes, context is everything.

[TexAce]

PGI should now just allow every unit to switch factions before Unquirkening happens. But everyone who uses the option to immediately switch without cancelling fee should be locked in that faction till Phase 3.

I wonder how many of the "pro" units will be Clan and how many will be IS when the next patch arrives

We all know the answer, don't we?

[CDLord HHGD]

Mystere, on 03 February 2016 - 11:35 AM, said:

Except it's MS we're talking about here. They ain't exactly tight with Russ. As such, sometimes, context is everything.

I've seen this reasoning but I don't have the reference. How do we know Russ doesn't like MS?