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[Ratpoison]

xTrident, on 04 February 2016 - 12:37 PM, said:

But you offering nothing with this reply accept to simply say - you're wrong - is constructive? I've continued to give examples and reasons to counter everything you've said. You continue to completely ignore the fact that I have dumped a substantial amount of money into the game which negates your argument to me pointing the finger that I believe it should be free.... Uhh obviously not. No, PGI doesn't have the budget Rockstar does. But at this point who's fault is that? By that I don't mean PGI should have or even could have Rockstar's budget, but I wonder what business plan is working better? Development of a complete game then releasing it to the masses - GTA V, or this F2P version that essentially gouges it's players? Per person the F2P method is better because you're getting more money, but then you'll also have less, maybe even much less of a player base willing to pay because of the prices. I'm also quite sure GTA is much bigger and more renowned title to gamers which also helps. But it's not like Mechwarrior is chopped liver in comparison. There's quite a sizeable fan base that I'm sure would have paid to play MWO, i.e. dropped $60 for it.

And then when I say I'm not a dev you assume that means I have absolutely no perspective on game development. I have some idea on bits and pieces of it. But labor is labor and comparisons should count for something. If not, then I guess there's no labor involved in the development of any other titles out there.

I really don't understand why you're continuing this idea that I and others have this feeling of entitlement - especially when I have given PGI money. I repeat, I have given PGI money. Entitlement my ***.

I don't assume, you repeatedly show me your ignorance and entitlement in every single post. "I gave PGI some money once, so I should get a fully developed game suited to my Battletech dreams than constantly improves!" It's so incredibly naive to think that MWO could have ever survived as a static development project like GTA. Static development cycles require a HUGE up front budget to fund the entire game until release; something PGI never had any chance at having. They also require the staying power to keep selling copies for years to come, to pay for all the costs it took to make, and make a profit for other projects.

Continuous development cycles allow developers to put full focus on improving the game indefinitely, something you really shouldn't be taking for granted in a competitive PvP game. They also allow developers to run on much more cost effective month to month sales within a free to play model, that allow them to continuously fund their indefinite development. The costs never stop though, so they continue pushing payment opportunities to players in order to keep the lights on. If everyone thought like you and had an entitlement fit after spending $60-80 on a free to play game...they would never survive.

[General Taskeen]

xTrident, on 04 February 2016 - 12:37 PM, said:

I really don't understand why you're continuing this idea that I and others have this feeling of entitlement - especially when I have given PGI money. I repeat, I have given PGI money. Entitlement my ***.

I think I have discovered the mystery of the tortuousGoddess, my dear Watson. When the subject known as tortous uttered "I know you armchair devs love patting each other on the back, but please do try to not be so ignorant," - this was the clue that solved the case. I believe what we have here is a terrible case of the post-purchase rationalization affliction.

What I have discovered is that the subject seems to be an Armchair F2P that is so completely enamored with the drugs and slot machines the PGI sells, they are willing to defend the drug-making process for the next fix despite the utter and devastating mediocrity even though other manufacturers offering far better/more for less.

I'm afraid the Golden Age MW has passed, it now wallows in obscurity of what is known as the "minimally viable."

Edited by General Taskeen, 04 February 2016 - 01:12 PM.

[C I L L I P U D D I]

Then don't play the game and shut up General Taskeen. Don't like the game? Don't play it. Go roll some dice and fufill your dream of TT perfection. We, the people who enjoy the game, defend it, and also spend as much money as the salt factory bitter betty's, will continue playing and making PGI money to continue development.

[Weeny Machine]

I don't know why you complain about PGI. There seems to be enough people to be willing to shell out that price. So why shouldn't they do it (from a business pov)?

Just do not buy it and if enough people vote with their wallet the pricing will change sooner or later.

As for me: buying X-Com 2 or 1 mech chassis for 70 dollar....I will go with the former and even save some bucks.

[xTrident]

tortuousGoddess, on 04 February 2016 - 01:03 PM, said:

I don't assume, you repeatedly show me your ignorance and entitlement in every single post. "I gave PGI some money once, so I should get a fully developed game suited to my Battletech dreams than constantly improves!" It's so incredibly naive to think that MWO could have ever survived as a static development project like GTA. Static development cycles require a HUGE up front budget to fund the entire game until release; something PGI never had any chance at having. They also require the staying power to keep selling copies for years to come, to pay for all the costs it took to make, and make a profit for other projects.

Continuous development cycles allow developers to put full focus on improving the game indefinitely, something you really shouldn't be taking for granted in a competitive PvP game. They also allow developers to run on much more cost effective month to month sales within a free to play model, that allow them to continuously fund their indefinite development. The costs never stop though, so they continue pushing payment opportunities to players in order to keep the lights on. If everyone thought like you and had an entitlement fit after spending $60-80 on a free to play game...they would never survive.

See, you're still assuming - I never said PGI should give me a fully developed game. (although I like that you basically admit it's not by stating such) My point has been - from the get go - what tiny itty bitty little bit that I've gotten for spending half again more on MWO than any other fully fledged completed game. That's it. And now with this thread alone we're talking about $70 for seven mechs...? Are you kidding me!?

I'll go ahead and say good points on the cost of continual development, and it was nice that you finally put together a response as such instead of continually saying, "You're entitled."

My bottom line isn't that MWO should be free, or that there shouldn't be a continued cost to players, especially if it's going to be continually worked on. It's all about how high the pricing is.

C I L L I P U D D I, on 04 February 2016 - 01:10 PM, said:

Then don't play the game and shut up General Taskeen. Don't like the game? Don't play it. Go roll some dice and fufill your dream of TT perfection. We, the people who enjoy the game, defend it, and also spend as much money as the salt factory bitter betty's, will continue playing and making PGI money to continue development.

Taskeen has over 5,000 posts on the forums, has been a member since 2012 and has over 5,300 likes on his comments... I'd say he has a vested interest in the game. But that's what I like about all the MWO fan boy defenders - Any kind of criticism is met with - "Shut your mouth and move along." Because obviously Taskeen doesn't like the game.....

Edited by xTrident, 04 February 2016 - 01:27 PM.

[DAYLEET]

The only thing i don;t like about the new packaging is that they are not sold separately. You want the last 2 mech with the hero? well you cant. You just want the hero? denied.

[xTrident]

Double Post

Edited by xTrident, 04 February 2016 - 01:27 PM.

[C I L L I P U D D I]

His forum profile is very deep, yes. Oh but wait, I've been playing since 2012 as well. OH LAWD! There will come a day when you salt factories will be gone from this community and it will be a good day.

[Ratpoison]

xTrident, on 04 February 2016 - 01:17 PM, said:

See, you're still assuming - I never said PGI should give me a fully developed game. (although I like that you basically admit it's not by stating such) My point has been - from the get go - what tiny itty bitty little bit that I've gotten for spending half again more on MWO than any other fully fledged completed game. That's it. And now with this thread alone we're talking about $70 for seven mechs...? Are you kidding me!?

I'll go ahead and say good points on the cost of continual development, and it was nice that you finally put together a response as such instead of continually saying, "You're entitled."

My bottom line isn't that MWO should be free, or that there shouldn't be a continued cost to players, especially if it's going to be continually worked on. It's all about how high the pricing is.

$20 for three 100 ton clan mechs and a bunch of extras is literally the best deal PGI has ever offered. Only being satisfied with having the $70 top level pack in spite of that? THAT'S pure entitlement. You've got the best deal ever offered by PGI right in front of you, and yet you still cry and moan about how expensive it is. How about you don't stand in the way of people who don't mind spending a little more to support the game YOU play so much?

[xTrident]

C I L L I P U D D I, on 04 February 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

His forum profile is very deep, yes. Oh but wait, I've been playing since 2012 as well. OH LAWD! There will come a day when you salt factories will be gone from this community and it will be a good day.

As have I. But oh wait... I never come around telling people to shut up and just leave.

tortuousGoddess, on 04 February 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

$20 for three 100 ton clan mechs and a bunch of extras is literally the best deal PGI has ever offered. Only being satisfied with having the $70 top level pack in spite of that? THAT'S pure entitlement. You've got the best deal ever offered by PGI right in front of you, and yet you still cry and moan about how expensive it is. How about you don't stand in the way of people who don't mind spending a little more to support the game YOU play so much?

Really? I'm standing in the way of them making a purchase? I highly doubt that. And $20 for three mechs is their best deal and I'm supposed to be thrilled with that pricing? Lol.

If people want it, they can buy it. Doesn't mean I have to be onboard and agree $20 for three mechs is an excellent deal. And I have given my reasons why.

Edited by xTrident, 04 February 2016 - 01:41 PM.

[xTrident]

Good debate none the less. And while I'll go ahead agree it certainly seems as though PGI needs to constantly charge, that I'm onboard with - I can tell you I will never agree that their prices, at least current prices aren't ridiculously high.

[Ratpoison]

xTrident, on 04 February 2016 - 01:34 PM, said:

As have I. But oh wait... I never come around telling people to shut up and just leave.



Really? I'm standing in the way of them making a purchase? I highly doubt that. And $20 for three mechs is their best deal and I'm supposed to be thrilled with that pricing? Lol.

If people want it, they can buy it. Doesn't mean I have to be onboard and agree $20 for three mechs is an excellent deal. And I have given my reasons why.

Not trying to impose, yet you felt the need to come on the forums and rage on the whole thing...

Yeah, totally constructive conversation we've had.

[Xetelian]

70$ for 7 assault mechs is really a steal at 10$ a piece
Then the bonuses:
60 days of premium 24$
9 cockpit items at 750 each its 6750mc so 30$
Two hero boosted assault mechs 60$
7 mechbays 10$
$124 before you count the pre order swag

If you wait till the mechs are free you get them for free...except the hero and the special variant

I don't know what you expect to get but 20$ for 3 mechs and 15$ for the hero is a good value too

[xTrident]

tortuousGoddess, on 04 February 2016 - 01:44 PM, said:

Not trying to impose, yet you felt the need to come on the forums and rage on the whole thing...

Yeah, totally constructive conversation we've had.

I gave my two cents on PGI's pricing scheme on a thread.... talking about their pricing. And I'd hardly call it a "rage". As I was questioned/debated - by you - I gave you "detailed" legitimate responses. Maybe I should have handled it differently and just said shut up? And I mean... You entered into a thread talking about PGI's pricing. Maybe you should have avoided it?

Oh well... I did get something out of it.

[Wintersdark]

Pezzer, on 04 February 2016 - 11:13 AM, said:

This is what has me pissed off. The community asked for this idiotic price-gouging. THEY. ASKED. FOR. IT. Because they had less money to purchase the maximum-size big packs, it was time to whine on the forums and get the price-effective mega packs replaced with smaller packs that are almost the same price, so that their e-peen can be satisfied when $40-$60 gets the biggest pack with the best badge attached to their account.

Thanks, forumwarriors! If this continues, I'm never buying a mech pack again. Because the idiots wanted smaller packs and the whales wanted to buy heroes and reinforcements additionally, it now costs $70 to get 6 variants of the same chassis. I can't afford this nonsense, but I CAN afford $80 for 4 mechs that have 3-4 variants each.

I really hope they go back to the old system, but based on how many people are piloting these Unseen mechs, it's probably not happening.

I asked for it, and I'm glad for it. I hated the megapacks not because I couldn't afford them (I bought them, after all) but because half of each pack was mechs I didn't want in the first place, and where worth nothing to sell. This method is WAY better. Don't cry about $70, as that's all add-on collectors content. You can get all 6 unique variants for $50, AND a truckload of bonus content to boot.

Or just the 3 base mechs for 20, or 3+hero for 35.

Those old Packs are great IF you want all the mechs, but my experience has been personally that there hasn't been a single pack I wanted every mech from. Not one, but every pack required I buy mechs I didn't want at all.

[Wintersdark]

Bush Hopper, on 04 February 2016 - 01:15 PM, said:

I don't know why you complain about PGI. There seems to be enough people to be willing to shell out that price. So why shouldn't they do it (from a business pov)?

Just do not buy it and if enough people vote with their wallet the pricing will change sooner or later.

As for me: buying X-Com 2 or 1 mech chassis for 70 dollar....I will go with the former and even save some bucks.

I'm buying both. I can't afford both, and my wife is going to murder me


But its the Kodiak. The Kodiak! *wails and gnashes teeth*


And it's Alex's take on it too. The purest of the pure mechporn. I'll forgo eating for a week if I must.

And XCOM2 now, because f**k yes. Gotta have some entertainment till my Kodiaks arrive

[TITANIUMsmoothy]

7 clan XL 400 engines.... 46 million c-bills.

[Xorak]

Skimmed the last pages, sorry if this was answered.

I think $20 for the basic pack with all the early adopter rewards is a no-brainer. I think I'll at least do the $40 pack to get the c-bill bonus on the KD1. Here are my questions :

-Does the hero mech get a c-bill bonus?
-Can the hero mech exchange its omnipods with the other chassis' and vise versa?
-Will the hero mech instead be able to change its equipment like the IIC's?
-Will the reinforcements variants eventually come out for c-bills?

Knowing these answers will determine what I buy beyond the $40 pack.

Edited by Xorak, 05 February 2016 - 09:52 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

Xorak, on 05 February 2016 - 09:49 AM, said:

Skimmed the last pages, sorry if this was answered.

I think $20 for the basic pack with all the early adopter rewards is a no-brainer. I think I'll at least do the $40 pack to get the c-bill bonus on the KD1. Here are my questions :

-Does the hero mech get a c-bill bonus?
-Can the hero mech exchange its omnipods with the other chassis' and vise versa?
-Will the hero mech instead be able to change its equipment like the IIC's?
-Will the reinforcements variants eventually come out for c-bills?

Knowing these answers will determine what I buy beyond the $40 pack.

The hero does indeed get a cbill bonus, 30%
All of these mechs, including the hero, have no omnipods and instead are fully customisable, like the IIC mechs.
Id assume the reinforcement mechs will come out for cbills at the same time the main variants do, thats been the case with every pack so far with reinforcement mechs. There would be massive complaints if not.

as an aside, i wouldnt recommend getting the reinforcement mechs, they don't really offer anything you cant do as well or better with the first three.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 05 February 2016 - 09:58 AM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Widowmaker1981, on 05 February 2016 - 09:56 AM, said:

as an aside, i wouldnt recommend getting the reinforcement mechs, they don't really offer anything you cant do as well or better with the first three.

But...

I gotta catch 'em all!