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[Bishop Steiner]

Gyrok, on 15 February 2016 - 11:47 AM, said:

Stay in T5 then and avoid the "pro bro force".

You and the other scrubs can play bad builds, and be polite about losing. So, keep tanking your W/L and stay in a low tier. Because if you ever make it to my tier, and I see you driving a **** build, I am going to tell you to stop pulling the team down with your **** build.

If you want to avoid T1 tryhards, stay in low tiers. T5 cannot match with T1...remember that. If you start "playing to win" and come up in tier to our level, then you are now playing our team game, and your lack of pulling your own weight will be entirely unappreciated....at all.

EDIT: To specifically address this:



I have as much right to call you out for ruining my enjoyment, as you have to call anyone out for "being an *** over a video game".

There are other games out there. Not to put too fine a point on that...

Why you hiding you're tier, again, ProBro?

Last I checked i'm not Tier 5. And yeah I would have hit tier 1 quite some time ago, if I ran my copypasta Clan Alphas, or Uberquirked US Vomit builds.

Me? It's rather have fun, still carry the team more often than not and take a little longer to finish hiking Mt Tryhards.

Wonder which one of us will reach the peak first, Pro-Bro.

I mean you run MetaMech approved builds, and you got your Delta Bros propping you up to, so in guessing you gotta be a pro comp tier 1+ by now, amirite?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 15 February 2016 - 02:37 PM.

[Tranderas]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 February 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

Why you hiding you're tier, again, ProBro?

Last I checked i'm not Tier 5. And yeah I would have hit tier 1 quite some time ago, if I ran my copypasta Clan Alphas, or Uberquirked US Vomit builds.

Me? It's rather have fun, still carry the team more often than not and take a little longer to finish hiking Mt Tryhards.

Wonder which one of us will reach the peak first, Pro-Bro.

I mean you run MetaMech approved builds, and you got your Delta Bros propping you up to, so in guessing you gotta be a pro comp tier 1+ by now, amirite?

Could you please try again in English? I don't speak Douche, but would like to understand what you're trying to say.

[Bishop Steiner]

Deathlike, on 15 February 2016 - 12:04 PM, said:

If you're not actually contributing to the team's success with your build, your "fun" is ruining mine. It's as simple as that.

You start paying for my MechPacks, you can start yelling me how to run them. It's as simple as that.

Feel free to rant on comms if you are offended by my build and contributions. I'll just report you and keep playing the game how I want to.

[Bishop Steiner]

Tranderas, on 15 February 2016 - 02:37 PM, said:

Could you please try again in English? I don't speak Douche, but would like to understand what you're trying to say.

Then you should butt out when you're not being addressed, sparky.

BTW, your buying in the way you did, pretty much defines acting like a dbag, so I gotta assume you're already conversant.

[jonfett]

To the OP: One of my King Crabs has 4xLRM15's, and is a lot of fun for me to play; it tends to score well, as I keep my targets between 500-800 meters. Play your builds the way you want it to go. Last time I checked, my user account was being run from a free country called 'MURICA.

[Gyrok]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 February 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

Why you hiding you're tier, again, ProBro?

Last I checked i'm not Tier 5. And yeah I would have hit tier 1 quite some time ago, if I ran my copypasta Clan Alphas, or Uberquirked US Vomit builds.

Me? It's rather have fun, still carry the team more often than not and take a little longer to finish hiking Mt Tryhards.

Wonder which one of us will reach the peak first, Pro-Bro.

I mean you run MetaMech approved builds, and you got your Delta Bros propping you up to, so in guessing you gotta be a pro comp tier 1+ by now, amirite?

Because I could give a **** about the XP bar...aside from keeping the bads in the bads tier and leaving them out of my matches.

Honestly...since I did not play much at all for the last 6 months, you might actually be ahead of me. I was in T2 somewhere last time I bothered to look, but it is not like I give a **** about ELO+ anyway. I have seen enough bads running around with a tier ranking that is completely baffling...present company included "anti-meta-white-knight-scrublord"

Edited by Gyrok, 15 February 2016 - 02:54 PM.

[pyrocomp]

Deathlike, on 15 February 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

The Report button is used for various things for various reasons... generally in the proper role. Then again, everyone uses it for dumb things. (Hear about the bad/dumb 911 calls? This is more or less the same.)

Up to a certain point, there should be a natural segregation of modes... people who bring anything and don't care about the consequences actually don't have a queue for them. They are lumped in with everyone else - particularly those that want to win (in some cases, at any cost). When players do not understand that your inability to be effective is tied to willing to not get better.. skill-wise or build-wise, then that's why these posts prop up.

Many try to justify this with the solo queue, but inevitably this is also why the same group of people tend to complain about the group queue - not understanding that a different commitment - a different expectation is required of them.... especially in a team based game.

When the team "gimps" itself (intentional or not), people will point you out. It's just human nature. If you're expecting to be successful on a consistent basis, there's no reason to "gimp" yourself unless you prefer the challenge. With that, you better put up or stop. The people that are complaining - well, you better answer them by putting up.

This is all ok, no much argument other than relate most to the general philosophical views. The only thing to comment is that the learning some times cannot go faster than something. New players need time to adapt to any change, learn from their experience. I spent much time getting on how to pilot a mech and position it correctly. The builds and styles came later. You may suggest another build, but you cannot push the player to change that build. He might as well come to that build later with better piloting skills (and you cannot brawl without trained teisting and fast aiming, both require training).

As at 'team' game part. Well, I think that as in any random team assembly for a single match... No, just in the unit you can criticize the player for the build. In solo queue I don't see how it's any better any ultra-short-ranged Atlas on Polar or extrahot Timber on any hot map. Same gimp by bad build. As it is a random team there always be some players with a build that is better for another map, players that have a bad day, players that learn to play. They do not gimp the team. They are expected asset. Really, I take that entire assault lance may perish to lights in first 2 minutes or so. Most probably there will be better players in the very same match on this team. And there will be same 'category' players on the other side. The same averages. So for the team game we have the average player that is not that good at the moment with a not-optimal build. With that in mind what are the reasons to expect only best builds? Where to thy builds, where to maser weapons? Where to play and not to compete?

So, you cannot push a player to learn faster. They can run a better build but they will have to learn to use it first (and might not like it). In a game in a random team tone your expectations to the average player, since opfor was picked from the same rooster.

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Gyrok, on 15 February 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

present company included "anti-meta-white-knight-scrublord"

Right in the feels

[Zoid]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 February 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

You start paying for my MechPacks, you can start yelling me how to run them. It's as simple as that.

Feel free to rant on comms if you are offended by my build and contributions. I'll just report you and keep playing the game how I want to.

The funny thing is when they rant about your build and you are carrying the team.

I've seriously had 1000+ damage, 6 kill matches where I spent all my AC ammo, all my LRM ammo and was down to a single laser at the end and douchebags still tried to tell me that no, I didn't carry, I just hid all game. So I guess I just shot all those AC rounds into a hill and they bounced off and hit me while I was hiding and throwing LRMs.

[Gyrok]

pyrocomp, on 15 February 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

So, you cannot push a player to learn faster. They can run a better build but they will have to learn to use it first (and might not like it). In a game in a random team tone your expectations to the average player, since opfor was picked from the same rooster.

This is complete BS.

Brand spanking new players have come in from steam launch in my unit, and picked this game up at a quite proficient level within a max time frame of 2-3 weeks. They may not be top tier, carry hardest material...but they are certainly notches above the average 2-3 man, pay no attention to the rest of the team, mouth breathers in group queue.

[pyrocomp]

Gyrok, on 15 February 2016 - 02:15 PM, said:

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Ok. To make it short. The point 7 occures much more often that any other. Really. So when you'll throw in probabilities and scenarios other than direct head on attack on canyon/mining then, I hope, you'll see that the difference is not that strong, in not in the opposite direction.

Zoid, on 15 February 2016 - 02:58 PM, said:

The funny thing is when they rant about your build and you are carrying the team.

I've seriously had 1000+ damage, 6 kill matches where I spent all my AC ammo, all my LRM ammo and was down to a single laser at the end and douchebags still tried to tell me that no, I didn't carry, I just hid all game. So I guess I just shot all those AC rounds into a hill and they bounced off and hit me while I was hiding and throwing LRMs.

Bope, that was coliision/fall damage.

Gyrok, on 15 February 2016 - 02:58 PM, said:

This is complete BS.

Brand spanking new players have come in from steam launch in my unit, and picked this game up at a quite proficient level within a max time frame of 2-3 weeks. They may not be top tier, carry hardest material...but they are certainly notches above the average 2-3 man, pay no attention to the rest of the team, mouth breathers in group queue.

Did you use word UNIT?

[Gyrok]

pyrocomp, on 15 February 2016 - 02:59 PM, said:

Ok. To make it short. The point 7 occures much more often that any other. Really. So when you'll throw in probabilities and scenarios other than direct head on attack on canyon/mining then, I hope, you'll see that the difference is not that strong, in not in the opposite direction.

Category 7 happens more often than not in tiers below 3.

Keep in mind...shenanigans in scrublandia are not to be confused with climbing mount tryhard.

[Dahkoht]

Best part is you can run whatever you enjoy , and simply do a quick ignore of the few pro bro idiots , and what results is you play as you want , they rage and act like the juvenile shut-ins they are , all the while raging to no one but themselves.

It's like a bonus to play builds they hate , the fact they care enough to get upset is a bonus , and you never hear them again

I picture them mostly as something along these lines.

Edited by Dahkoht, 15 February 2016 - 03:03 PM.

[pyrocomp]

Gyrok, on 15 February 2016 - 03:01 PM, said:

Category 7 happens more often than not in tiers below 3.

Keep in mind...shenanigans in scrublandia are not to be confused with climbing mount tryhard.

OP is in T3 and says he's comfortable. For T3 the used build hence is no worse than those with SRMs. No?

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Zoid, on 15 February 2016 - 02:58 PM, said:

The funny thing is when they rant about your build and you are carrying the team.

I've seriously had 1000+ damage, 6 kill matches where I spent all my AC ammo, all my LRM ammo and was down to a single laser at the end and douchebags still tried to tell me that no, I didn't carry, I just hid all game. So I guess I just shot all those AC rounds into a hill and they bounced off and hit me while I was hiding and throwing LRMs.

These really are the best moments.

[Deathlike]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 February 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

You start paying for my MechPacks, you can start yelling me how to run them. It's as simple as that.

Sorry, this game is F2P. I can't help you there.

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Feel free to rant on comms if you are offended by my build and contributions. I'll just report you and keep playing the game how I want to.

Leaving it to that match is usually enough. I don't think anyone would go even further (unless, they are nuts) to go onto someone else's TS and yell at them.

pyrocomp, on 15 February 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

This is all ok, no much argument other than relate most to the general philosophical views. The only thing to comment is that the learning some times cannot go faster than something. New players need time to adapt to any change, learn from their experience. I spent much time getting on how to pilot a mech and position it correctly. The builds and styles came later. You may suggest another build, but you cannot push the player to change that build. He might as well come to that build later with better piloting skills (and you cannot brawl without trained teisting and fast aiming, both require training).

As at 'team' game part. Well, I think that as in any random team assembly for a single match... No, just in the unit you can criticize the player for the build. In solo queue I don't see how it's any better any ultra-short-ranged Atlas on Polar or extrahot Timber on any hot map. Same gimp by bad build. As it is a random team there always be some players with a build that is better for another map, players that have a bad day, players that learn to play. They do not gimp the team. They are expected asset. Really, I take that entire assault lance may perish to lights in first 2 minutes or so. Most probably there will be better players in the very same match on this team. And there will be same 'category' players on the other side. The same averages. So for the team game we have the average player that is not that good at the moment with a not-optimal build. With that in mind what are the reasons to expect only best builds? Where to thy builds, where to maser weapons? Where to play and not to compete?

So, you cannot push a player to learn faster. They can run a better build but they will have to learn to use it first (and might not like it). In a game in a random team tone your expectations to the average player, since opfor was picked from the same rooster.

Let me put it this way.

You are always "held responsible" by the 11 other players. Some care and are more vocal than others about it.

When you eventually climb into Tier 3, and are moving up, there's a realistic expectation that you need to do more to get better.

I'm fully aware that some people are not as good, and are still learning the game. The thing is, @ Tier 4+5, the people who are as vocal about these things are the ones that move up... and the irony is that the guy that isn't moving up, usually is bad himself and so he'll stick around the terrible tiers much longer than he realizes.

It's hard to ensure everyone will "get better" over time - everyone will go at their own pace. It's easier to play with others (aka premade) to accelerate this process faster, as the solo queue does not promote any of this. I don't think it is easy to communicate stuff and assume the guy will absorb it quickly. However, if months pass and this person doesn't "get it", well, there's probably nothing that can truly help this person.

This has always been why I keep promoting faction hubs for CW or for group play. Getting betting involves investing time and effort to learn and understand - from people who went through the same process. It isn't going to be learned in a day for sure, but it's an ongoing process. What bothers me most is when people are told "don't use IS LRMs and sub-180m range" you see them keep firing them to no avail. Sometimes, I wish the NPE was not as crappy as it currently is...

My point is ultimately - when you're actively trying to move up in Tiers (especially beyond Tier 3), there's a legitimate reason where 11 other players can and will hold you accountable for your bad builds. It's how you deal with it that matters.

Edited by Deathlike, 15 February 2016 - 03:11 PM.

[Templar Dane]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 February 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

Why you hiding you're tier, again, ProBro?

Last I checked i'm not Tier 5. And yeah I would have hit tier 1 quite some time ago, if I ran my copypasta Clan Alphas, or Uberquirked US Vomit builds.

Me? It's rather have fun, still carry the team more often than not and take a little longer to finish hiking Mt Tryhards.

Wonder which one of us will reach the peak first, Pro-Bro.

I mean you run MetaMech approved builds, and you got your Delta Bros propping you up to, so in guessing you gotta be a pro comp tier 1+ by now, amirite?

You'd be tier 1 if you spent a tenth of the time you're posting on the forums playing the actual game.

[MischiefSC]

Dahkoht, on 15 February 2016 - 03:01 PM, said:

Best part is you can run whatever you enjoy , and simply do a quick ignore of the few pro bro idiots , and what results is you play as you want , they rage and act like the juvenile shut-ins they are , all the while raging to no one but themselves.

It's like a bonus to play builds they hate , the fact they care enough to get upset is a bonus , and you never hear them again

I picture them mostly as something along these lines.

Except you have that backwards.

You are dropping in a team game and sandbagging your team because you have fun doing it. No law against it, do your rhing but why are you surprised when your team calls you a dbag?

You are never playing solo in this game. Every match your bad decisions affect 11 other players. If you don't care that's fine you are not required to. Nobody else is required to ignore you being bad and dragging them down though.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gyrok, on 15 February 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

Because I could give a **** about the XP bar...aside from keeping the bads in the bads tier and leaving them out of my matches.

Honestly...since I did not play much at all for the last 6 months, you might actually be ahead of me. I was in T2 somewhere last time I bothered to look, but it is not like I give a **** about ELO+ anyway. I have seen enough bads running around with a tier ranking that is completely baffling...present company included "anti-meta-white-knight-scrublord"

Can't use the tiers to insult someone then claim they don't matter the next breath, dude. Make up your mind.

[5LeafClover]

Wow, checked in a day later to find the thread at 26 pages!

All cos someone wants to run a LRM rack on a mixed build AS7???