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[JediPanther]

Oxide is very not pay to win by a long shot. So what if it has durability quirks that the other jenners don't have? It has very limited ammo at 500 srms and you have to be very skilled in lights to use it to get 2-3 kills per match. And what happens when you run out of that 500 srm ammo? You become nothing more than a moving target.

[Mad Strike]

facepalm , 3 days and he's making another stupid post.

Really johnny every dumb thing you're saying.....i've read it before by other people since 2012 and just like them you're sooo wrong.

First "mechwarrior is dying" and now this.........

Edited by Mad Strike, 15 February 2016 - 08:08 PM.

[nehebkau]

himself, on 15 February 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

Do you balance them on having as much firepower as a heavy while still going as fast as a light?

or having a CT that a blind, cripple monkey could hit? How about low hit points ... that mean anything? GLASS CANNON.

[Mad Strike]

himself, on 15 February 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

So if they only get 5 ammo and each ammo can kill a mech in one shot, it isn't OP because they run out of ammo?



Just because you play like an idiot and facehug people long enough to get cored doesn't mean good players do the same.

You're speaking about a non jumpjet ammo dependent light mech pal , not even FAST.

[Johnny Gorbachev]

Mad Strike, on 15 February 2016 - 08:01 PM, said:

facepalm , 3 days and he's making another stupid post.

Really johnny every dumb thing you're saying.....i've read it before by other people since 2012 and just like them you're sooo wrong.

First "mechwarrior is dying" and now this.........

Have you ever thought that if players have been talking about it for 4 years, it might actually still be true?

[nehebkau]

himself, on 15 February 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

Just because you play like an idiot and facehug people long enough to get cored doesn't mean good players do the same.

Wow, why do I bother, you just aren't very good at comprehension and ad-hominem everything when you are wrong.

[Mad Strike]

Johnny Gorbachev, on 15 February 2016 - 08:36 PM, said:

Have you ever thought that if players have been talking about it for 4 years, it might actually still be true?

Games don't die in 4 years....they die in weeks........how much have you been playing videogames ? :S

Remember hawken ? That's how a game dies

Big diference , game is dead for you so the best thing you can do is move on and look for a game that you like.

Edited by Mad Strike, 15 February 2016 - 08:46 PM.

[Eboli]

himself, on 15 February 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

So if they only get 5 ammo and each ammo can kill a mech in one shot, it isn't OP because they run out of ammo?

Damn, I must have been doing things wrong over the years. The only fresh mechs I have one shotted in my Oxide is a locust. Maybe a Raven once. Damaged mechs is something different.

[1Grimbane]

Johnny Gorbachev, on 15 February 2016 - 08:36 PM, said:

Have you ever thought that if players have been talking about it for 4 years, it might actually still be true?

I still contend your the user "That Dawg" of clan wolf

Edited by 1Grimbane, 15 February 2016 - 08:49 PM.

[himself]

nehebkau, on 15 February 2016 - 08:42 PM, said:

Wow, why do I bother, you just aren't very good at comprehension and ad-hominem everything when you are wrong.

It's okay, bud. Hopefully at some point in your life, you will realize that people aren't instantly wrong when they're mean to you and that you are, in fact, an idiot.

Eboli, on 15 February 2016 - 08:45 PM, said:

Damn, I must have been doing things wrong over the years. The only fresh mechs I have one shotted in my Oxide is a locust. Maybe a Raven once. Damaged mechs is something different.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Feel free to read my post again and respond accordingly.

Edited by himself, 15 February 2016 - 08:50 PM.

[sycocys]

Oxide is only as good as SRM hitreg. So basically its next to useless for 2 weeks every month.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

himself, on 15 February 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

So if they only get 5 ammo and each ammo can kill a mech in one shot, it isn't OP because they run out of ammo?

The only thing an Oxide can reliably kill in one hit is a light 10 tons or more lighter than itself. SRMs spread, and unless you catch a medium with its pants all the way down from behind at reach-out-and-have-a-slapfight range and put damn near every single one of your missiles in its RT or LT and it happens to be running an XL... well, you get the idea. 4xSRM4 is a 34.4 point alpha (which is not enough to one-shot even a 60-ton heavy unless it has crit-able ammo in an unfortunate location). That is only 2.4 points above the 8xSPL FS9-A and only 4.4 points above the 5xMPL FS9-S- with a weapon system that does not deal pinpoint damage. That 34.4 points of damage is getting spread over at least two, more likely three components, and a few missiles will probably miss the target entirely- assuming SRM hitreg is perfect, which it never is. As opposed to 30-42 points of pinpoint damage, with the usually perfect hitreg of hitscan lasers.

And you want to claim that a light mounting 4xSRM4 is OP? Get real.

How much damage you can land on one component in the space of one firing cycle is the measure of your effectiveness in this game. The meta laservomit lights are objectively more effective than the Oxide in every measurable way. They have jets; Oxide does not. They do pinpoint damage; Oxide does not. They have infinite ammo; Oxide does not. They can mount the same firepower for less tonnage. They can deliver exactly the same damage to a single point across their effective range envelope. They have better hitboxes. They can afford to mount bigger engines. The list goes on, and on, and on.

You got backstabbed to death by an Oxide? Boohoo. If it had been an ACH, FS9, WLF, or frankly any other high-alpha light 'Mech, the result would have been exactly the same. Most of them would have killed you even faster, and done so without a single point of damage being wasted.

Disclaimer: I hardly ever drive my Oxide. I usually drop in my Urbies. In case you were wondering how much I rely on my "crutches."

[Tarogato]

Some people in this thread clearly haven't played with, alongside, or against Oxides in the past couple weeks. They are monstrous light mechs right now. The Jenner hitboxes are much more balanced than they used to be, the Oxide gets +11 CT, +15 cooldown, the missiles have a tight spread and low heat... and it's a fast small mech.

Compare that to the Jenner IIC which doesn't have cooldown or structure quirks, has larger hitboxes, a wider missile spread, more heat, and most builds have additional ghost heat. Compare it to the FS9-A which hits its heat cap in a brawl much sooner, and the ACH which hits it even faster. The Oxide is literally the best light striker in the game right now. And that is clearly P2W, because it is paywalled. The only facet it falls short in is light vs. light combat, where typically arm-mounted SPL reigns supreme.

[Novakaine]

1Grimbane, on 15 February 2016 - 08:49 PM, said:

I still contend your the user "That Dawg" of clan wolf

Agreed found his facebook profile - Clan Wolf

[Sinister Maestro]

[Duke Nedo]

Can't say I fear the Oxide, no. Some other Jenners need some quirks though.

[Prof RJ Gumby]

Tarogato, on 15 February 2016 - 10:59 PM, said:

Some people in this thread clearly haven't played with, alongside, or against Oxides in the past couple weeks. They are monstrous light mechs right now. The Jenner hitboxes are much more balanced than they used to be, the Oxide gets +11 CT, +15 cooldown, the missiles have a tight spread and low heat... and it's a fast small mech.

Compare that to the Jenner IIC which doesn't have cooldown or structure quirks, has larger hitboxes, a wider missile spread, more heat, and most builds have additional ghost heat. Compare it to the FS9-A which hits its heat cap in a brawl much sooner, and the ACH which hits it even faster. The Oxide is literally the best light striker in the game right now. And that is clearly P2W, because it is paywalled. The only facet it falls short in is light vs. light combat, where typically arm-mounted SPL reigns supreme.

This. All the way this.

I didn't mind MUCH that it ended up a little bit OP after the requirkening, it happenes. BUT tossing in arbitrary buff to already very good, paywalled mech is fishy at best. Especially when all other Jenners are still 2nd class lights at best. Oxide was already the toughest light (good hitboxes AFTER LAST HITBOX UPDATE) and durability quirks none other light mech have (it's the only jenny that have ANY durability quirks, mind you). Now it's gonna be also the most agile 35-tonner (yup, best accel/decel/turnrate quirks, look it up). OXIDE quirk list is already at least twice as long as any other jenner's, now those quirks are gonna be higher.

I already see more oxides in play than all other Jenners and Jenners IIC combined. More than any other heros too. ACH wolfpacks in group play from recently are oxide wolfpacks now.

I would take the person who made today's oxide buff happen and force it to play vindicators for a month. That would teach that one a thing or two about balance.

Edited by Prof RJ Gumby, 16 February 2016 - 12:15 AM.

[Not A Real RAbbi]

For sake of argument, let's grant for a moment (I do NOT agree, though, it should be noted) that the Oxide is THE best mech in the game, PERIOD.

I'll be back in a couple weeks, to finish that thought, once the laughter dies down a few dozen decibels...

Edited by TheRAbbi, 16 February 2016 - 12:15 AM.

[1Grimbane]

Novakaine, on 15 February 2016 - 11:15 PM, said:

Agreed found his facebook profile - Clan Wolf

Some high level detective sh*t jumping off here my friend.

Edited by 1Grimbane, 16 February 2016 - 02:02 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Deathlike, on 15 February 2016 - 06:56 PM, said:

A more accurate statement is Paul doesn't know how to balance the game.

Full stop.

this, all is and was unreasonable random.

or maybe its the BT lore? roll a dice and get a result.