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[Deathlike]

Zensei, on 23 February 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

What am I trying to get out of it?

Probably the same as everyone else, I don't want to spend my time playing recording or analyzing or setting data points.

At that point, it doesn't matter.

You're probably in the correct Tier, based on that assessment.

[Zensei]

EgoSlayer, on 23 February 2016 - 06:06 PM, said:

Tiers are not the "end game", they are to segregate players based on experience. If you are as you say scoring 250+ match score in nearly all your matches and winning more than losing then you are climbing. A 251 match score on a loss means you stay even. A 250 Match score on a win is at least a moderate gain. That's how the system works.

So either you have a broken PSR, or you are not doing the above things as much as you think. Track your games individually if you think it's broken. You don't even have to get that detailed, just a record of win or loss, and the PSR change. If you have more ups and equals than downs it's nearly impossible to not be going up. The exception would be if your wins are low match score and your losses are even lower match score as in sub 100.

yeah, ok, I dont want to track all of my games and record and analyze them all, I would just like to see the bar move, Thats all

Mcgral18, on 23 February 2016 - 06:07 PM, said:

You probably don't play enough to make enough of an impact on the XP bar.

[Nauht]

Mcgral18, on 23 February 2016 - 06:07 PM, said:

You probably don't play enough to make enough of an impact on the XP bar.

Does that even make a difference? Sometimes I can only fit in literally only 1 or 2 games a night and when I do well in that one game I see my bar move up ever so slightly but it is noticeable.

[EgoSlayer]

Zensei, on 23 February 2016 - 06:10 PM, said:

yeah, ok, I dont want to track all of my games and record and analyze them all, I would just like to see the bar move, Thats all

You normally can't see the bar move especially on high resolution monitors, there are roughly 1000 points per tier with a minimum increase of 1 point. If you want to track it's grown screen shot the mech lab once a week. Then cut the PSR bar out of the newest one in mspaint or some other graphics util and paste it below the older one to see how much it changed.

[Zensei]

Nauht, on 23 February 2016 - 06:14 PM, said:

Does that even make a difference? Sometimes I can only fit in literally only 1 or 2 games a night and when I do well in that one game I see my bar move up ever so slightly but it is noticeable.

Is there a transparent slide ruler that I can buy on Amazon that will hang from my monitor to the tierbar?

[Lyoto Machida]

Zensei, on 23 February 2016 - 05:49 PM, said:

way more wins that losses, way more kills than deaths, thousands of games and still the same, if I cant get over 1 hump then 3 humps are impossible. tiers 1 and 2 guys will never play me.

It's possible that you are not doing as well as you think...

[Zensei]

Lyoto Machida, on 23 February 2016 - 06:18 PM, said:

It's possible that you are not doing as well as you think...

It's possible you are wrong in your assessment

[Lyoto Machida]

Zensei, on 23 February 2016 - 06:19 PM, said:

It's possible you are wrong in your assessment

Am I? Your tier progress says otherwise.

[Zensei]

Lyoto Machida, on 23 February 2016 - 06:20 PM, said:

Am I? Your tier progress says otherwise.

Yeah you could be since you are just stating your opinion

[Realizer]

I started playing almost 2 months ago now, first 3 weeks were my "learning curve" I suppose. During that time I was reading these forums, watching a few good tier 1 streams, and studying metamechs.com. After building out a few decent mostly tier 1-2 mechs I was well on my way to gaining. Sure I still have the bad start every now and again where I don't accumulate enough damage and match score to upswing, but I end up gaining rating on most games even if I lose, since I'm normally one of the last few alive. I'm currently half way to tier 3, and honestly if you "don't want to spend the time analyzing your games," why do you care about your rating?

In most other games "skill rating" goes off your wins/losses so I don't really see a way for devs to make it any easier to climb, if it were every player in the game would be tier 1 after 1000 matches no matter what skill they really had.

[Nauht]

Zensei, on 23 February 2016 - 06:16 PM, said:

Is there a transparent slide ruler that I can buy on Amazon that will hang from my monitor to the tierbar?

Do you even need one? I measure the bar by what's on screen. Like if the bar moved past a letter or into a different shade of colour of the background.

Regardless I can still see the bar move up even with one game where I do particularly well. Mind you though I've got a pretty good Dell monitor though.

[Zensei]

Realizer, on 23 February 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

I started playing almost 2 months ago now, first 3 weeks were my "learning curve" I suppose. During that time I was reading these forums, watching a few good tier 1 streams, and studying metamechs.com. After building out a few decent mostly tier 1-2 mechs I was well on my way to gaining. Sure I still have the bad start every now and again where I don't accumulate enough damage and match score to upswing, but I end up gaining rating on most games even if I lose, since I'm normally one of the last few alive. I'm currently half way to tier 3, and honestly if you "don't want to spend the time analyzing your games," why do you care about your rating?

In most other games "skill rating" goes off your wins/losses so I don't really see a way for devs to make it any easier to climb, if it were every player in the game would be tier 1 after 1000 matches no matter what skill they really had.

I think there is something to starting 2 months ago and April 2012, I have a way larger playing curve if that is what is being fed into the algorithm, nothing personal but if you have only played for 2 months and you are better than me then I should really quit this game.

[RestosIII]

Realizer, on 23 February 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

In most other games "skill rating" goes off your wins/losses so I don't really see a way for devs to make it any easier to climb, if it were every player in the game would be tier 1 after 1000 matches no matter what skill they really had.

Sorry to tell you, but that's already basically already the case.

[Lyoto Machida]

Realizer, on 23 February 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

I started playing almost 2 months ago now, first 3 weeks were my "learning curve" I suppose. During that time I was reading these forums, watching a few good tier 1 streams, and studying metamechs.com. After building out a few decent mostly tier 1-2 mechs I was well on my way to gaining. Sure I still have the bad start every now and again where I don't accumulate enough damage and match score to upswing, but I end up gaining rating on most games even if I lose, since I'm normally one of the last few alive. I'm currently half way to tier 3, and honestly if you "don't want to spend the time analyzing your games," why do you care about your rating?

In most other games "skill rating" goes off your wins/losses so I don't really see a way for devs to make it any easier to climb, if it were every player in the game would be tier 1 after 1000 matches no matter what skill they really had.

This is a great attitude to have for a "new" player. Also, your point about caring about your rating while not caring enough to actually track data is spot on.

Zensei, on 23 February 2016 - 06:29 PM, said:

I think there is something to starting 2 months ago and April 2012, I have a way larger playing curve if that is what is being fed into the algorithm, nothing personal but if you have only played for 2 months and you are better than me then I should really quit this game.

There are thousands, possibly millions of guys out there younger than you making more money than you and having relations with better looking women than you will ever have. Doesn't affect your life one bit, unless you come into direct competition with them for a job or something. If you worry about people starting after you overtaking you, there will always be self-esteem problems.

Don't worry about what other people are doing...worry about what you can control and what you are doing. Just because you (or I) have played the game longer than Realizer doesn't automatically make us better than him.

[Tarl Cabot]

Zensei, on 23 February 2016 - 05:43 PM, said:

really starting to turn me off, not paying anything but still. same tier since they were created.

Please tell us your secret, seriously. 2 alt accounts, using trial mechs, primarily meds and heavies, some lights. Older alt acct 10-15 games before it went from tier 4 to tier 3, the newer account created after Steam release, tier 5 to tier 3 after 4 weekends.

The sad part is that at times it felt like seal clubbing in tier 4/5, and I only consider myself an older, okay player. Whatever happens though, even in tier 2 games, I try to do my best but we all make mistakes. It is learning from those mistakes that is important. But win or lose, playing the game is what matters to me.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 23 February 2016 - 06:47 PM.

[Lyoto Machida]

Tarl Cabot, on 23 February 2016 - 06:43 PM, said:

Please tell us your secret, seriously. 2 alt accounts, using trial mechs, primarily meds and heavies, some lights. Older alt acct 10-15 games before it went from tier 4 to tier 3, the newer account created after Steam release, tier 5 to tier 3 after 4 weekends.

The sad part is that at times it felt like seal clubbing in tier 4/5, and I only consider myself an older, okay player.

He's not kidding when he says "older" either...

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Zensei, on 23 February 2016 - 05:43 PM, said:

really starting to turn me off, not paying anything but still. same tier since they were created.

What are you talking about.... it's just an XP bar right?

[Zensei]

Lyoto Machida, on 23 February 2016 - 06:41 PM, said:

This is a great attitude to have for a "new" player. Also, your point about caring about your rating while not caring enough to actually track data is spot on.



There are thousands, possibly millions of guys out there younger than you making more money than you and having relations with better looking women than you will ever have. Doesn't affect your life one bit, unless you come into direct competition with them for a job or something. If you worry about people starting after you overtaking you, there will always be self-esteem problems.

Don't worry about what other people are doing...worry about what you can control and what you are doing. Just because you (or I) have played the game longer than Realizer doesn't automatically make us better than him.

So he is better than you after only playing 2 months? We could probably do a You Tube of you 2 playing and he should be able to beat you 10 out of 10 times right?

[Coolant]

There didn't use to be tiers or a tier bar. What did the OP do before tiers?

[Zensei]

Tarl Cabot, on 23 February 2016 - 06:43 PM, said:

Please tell us your secret, seriously. 2 alt accounts, using trial mechs, primarily meds and heavies, some lights. Older alt acct 10-15 games before it went from tier 4 to tier 3, the newer account created after Steam release, tier 5 to tier 3 after 4 weekends.

The sad part is that at times it felt like seal clubbing in tier 4/5, and I only consider myself an older, okay player. Whatever happens though, even in tier 2 games, I try to do my best but we all make mistakes. It is learning from those mistakes that is important. But win or lose, playing the game is what matters to me.

Well this is exactly what I am talking about, if you really did all of this then something is really wrong for someone that has stayed with the same account since 2012 and can not move up or down a tier, after almost 10,000 games. I dont think we are talking about the same thing and maybe we do need some clarification from PGI and not speculation from a guy thats played less that 50 games.