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[MrMadguy]

May be you don't realize it, but your position is usually being reported not because other players don't want to waste their time. The problem is in fact, that you usually play survival squirrel not only when you're last 'Mechs standing - you play it right from the beginning of the match and that is the obvious reason, why you end as last 'Mech standing so often in a first place. Thus you are not contributing anything towards victory and partially you are the reason of the loss. So... Why would I let such a players to "play their game" and "boost their match score and rewards", if they grief me like this? No. As I already said, you should try to win a match and contribute enough towards victory, while match still isn't lost. Refusing to do so to maximize your chance of survival - is non-participation and against COC too:

Shutting Down your ‘Mech or avoiding engagements with the enemy, and when doing so might be considered non-participation:

• Ceasing to meaningfully contribute for the remainder of the match if you still have support equipment, useful modules, or weapons (with any necessary ammo) available. Losing your primary weapon is not an acceptable excuse for hiding and/or shutting down if you still have a secondary weapon, a support-based item such as a TAG, or a consumable module available for use.
  
• Disliking a map or game mode or attempting to preserve a player statistic such as Kill/Death Ratio are not acceptable excuses for non-participation.

So, via playing survival squirrel, you violate all the possible non-participation rules. You grief other 11 players in your team. You piss off 12 players on enemy team. You refuse to contribute enough towards victory and you are the cause of the loss. You are just a troll, who wants to grief other players. We refuse to just accept this greifing. It's you, who should be banned. And as PGI refuses to do anything about it - we have to deal with this problem by ourselves. Your position is being reported and you are being reported for non-participation to prevent further griefing. Play fair and it won't happen.

Remember! Players, who die early due to lack of your support, are watching for you very often - you can't hide your non-participation from them. When you are last 'Mech standing, it's usually already known, that you non-participated. When your team was stomped 12:1 and you see, that last 'Mech is completely fresh - it's just obvious, that he non-participated. That's why your position is being reported immediately. And don't suggest them to just quit match and hop into another - they don't want to be griefed like this next time too.

Edited by MrMadguy, 25 February 2016 - 11:28 PM.

[Revis Volek]

MrMadguy, on 25 February 2016 - 11:09 PM, said:

bunch of nonsense...

Dude, your sig says you quit so why are you still here?

Quit till it wont be fixed to be exact.

[MrMadguy]

Revis Volek, on 26 February 2016 - 12:37 AM, said:

Dude, your sig says you quit so why are you still here?

Quit till it wont be fixed to be exact.

Don't worry. I hope to do it on next Wednesday.

[the punk who stole your thunder]

MrMadguy, on 25 February 2016 - 11:09 PM, said:

[ ...] The problem is in fact, that you usually play survival squirrel not only when you're last 'Mechs standing - you play it right from the beginning of the match and that is the obvious reason, why you end as last 'Mech standing so often in a first place. Thus you are not contributing anything towards victory and partially you are the reason of the loss. [...]

I often end being the "last light standing" and the endscreen tells me i did most damage and most kills of my team. So despite being the only survivor i surly contributet to achieve a win.

So why am i the "last light standing"? Because while piloting a light it is most important to avoid damage. To achieve that i have to use my mobility, situational awareness and map-knowledge.

So i am doing "the light thing" like hit and run, flanking, repositioning and scouting and sometimes i suddenly notice that all the "enemy awareness" is focused on me cause the rest of my team is gone and i am alone, sometimes even unscathed despite activly contributing to the battle.

While i myself prefer to go down in a blaze of glory aka overheating other players have the patience to play ninja-squirrel to snatch a kill.

If you are really straigt with the TOS to override and jump into the enemy is against the TOS cause of suiciding while playing ninja-squirreling might be annoying for the rest of the players but is in fact in line with the TOS.

btw - i hope you won't quit - stay with us and find&fight the ninja-squirrels

[MrMadguy]

Laggy Luke, on 26 February 2016 - 03:08 AM, said:

I often end being the "last light standing" and the endscreen tells me i did most damage and most kills of my team. So despite being the only survivor i surly contributet to achieve a win.

So why am i the "last light standing"? Because while piloting a light it is most important to avoid damage. To achieve that i have to use my mobility, situational awareness and map-knowledge.

So i am doing "the light thing" like hit and run, flanking, repositioning and scouting and sometimes i suddenly notice that all the "enemy awareness" is focused on me cause the rest of my team is gone and i am alone, sometimes even unscathed despite activly contributing to the battle.

While i myself prefer to go down in a blaze of glory aka overheating other players have the patience to play ninja-squirrel to snatch a kill.

If you are really straigt with the TOS to override and jump into the enemy is against the TOS cause of suiciding while playing ninja-squirreling might be annoying for the rest of the players but is in fact in line with the TOS.

btw - i hope you won't quit - stay with us and find&fight the ninja-squirrels

Yeah. I know. There 3 type of Lights. May be you are not survival squirrel one. You hide behind others. And when others fail at being your meat shield - you blame others for not "carrying" you enough. I don't know exact reasoning of this players. May be they are trying to "prove" something - that they are not so "bad", as the rest of the team. May be they are trying to "punish" their team for performing so poorly. May be they are trying to "troll" enemy team - they think, that their victory shouldn't be so easy. Anyway. I want to tell you, that you're wrong in any case. It's not other players, who should be blamed - it's terrible MM, that has put you into imbalanced match. There is nothing to prove. There is nobody to blame. MM is terrible, match was unbalanced, your team was stomped. Just deal with it. Reconcile and move on.

Who are the best Light pilots in my opinion? I saw such a pilot today. It was HPG. He was in Raven. We lost - he was the last 'Mech standing. He knew, that enemies were near and were coming to him. He could just run away, go to outside of map and start circling around it. But he stayed. He ran under radar around enemy team and ambushed one of them. Enemies spotted him. But again he didn't run away and hide. He took position under radar and fought two remaining enemy 'Mechs. Yeah, he lost. But he lost with honor - not as coward.

So I don't talk about players, who actually try to fight against enemy team. I talk about that survival squirrel Spider, that doesn't even try to fight against anybody - he just runs around Turmaline, trying to avoid damage, while saying something like "Catch me, if you want to win". As I already said - enemy team isn't obligated to play hide'n'seek and search for you around the map. It's up to you to engage with them. Otherwise it falls under "Avoiding engaging" violation of COC.

Edited by MrMadguy, 26 February 2016 - 03:46 AM.

[the punk who stole your thunder]

MrMadguy, on 26 February 2016 - 03:32 AM, said:

Yeah. I know. There 3 type of Lights. May be you are not survival squirrel one. You hide behind others. And when others fail at being your meat shield - you blame others for not "carrying" you enough.

I am not "hiding" behind other players. At least for me tanking damage in a light is not the way to go.

And i never blame other players. Pls dont insinuate such a behaviour on me. As MWO is very team-orientated every player is "carried" by the others.

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I don't know exact reasoning of this players. May be they are trying to "prove" something - that they are not so "bad", as the rest of the team. May be they are trying to "punish" their team for performing so poorly. May be they are trying to "troll" enemy team - they think, that their victory shouldn't be so easy.

See - i don't even carfe for the intentions of the ninja-squirrels. As long as it is not shutting down oder just hiding and avoiding enemy contact i either watch its last stand or quit and move on to the next round.

Long time ago i stopped taking things in the internet serious.

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Anyway. I want to tell you, that you're wrong in any case. It's not other players, who should be blamed - it's terrible MM, that has put you into imbalanced match. There is nothing to prove. There is nobody to blame. MM is terrible, match was unbalanced, your team was stomped. Just deal with it. Reconcile and move on.

As i said before - i am not blaming anyone - i just move on as i said many times before.

Since i played MWO i never "forced" another player to give away my position. I am just theorizing about the topic.

btw - i myself do sometimes give the postion of mechs of my own team to tne enemy: if they are DC or obviously afk.

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Who are the best Light pilots in my opinion? I saw such a pilot today. It was HPG. He was in Raven. We lost - he was the last 'Mech standing. He knew, that enemies were near and were coming to him. He could just run away, go to outside of map and start circling around it. But he stayed. He ran under radar around enemy team and ambushed one of them. Enemies spotted him. But again he didn't run away and hide. He took position under radar and fought two remaining enemy 'Mechs. Yeah, he lost. But he lost with honor - not as coward.

So he went down in "a blaze of glory" like ... hmmm ... i do, too (see my topics above)

I am no native english speaker but i have the impression there is some kind of misunderstanding between the two of us:

I find the ninja-squirrel thing annoying, but as long as the squirrel is - somehow - fighting the enemy there is no reason to comnplain or give away its position, even if it forces me to "waste" a few minutes of my lifetime to let the light pilot play the game.

No more, no less .

So pls stop calling ppl cowards or assume they would deliberatly "troll" the gamers. There are more shades than just black and white.

[the punk who stole your thunder]

MrMadguy, on 26 February 2016 - 03:32 AM, said:

So I don't talk about players, who actually try to fight against enemy team. I talk about that survival squirrel Spider, that doesn't even try to fight against anybody - he just runs around Turmaline, trying to avoid damage, while saying something like "Catch me, if you want to win". As I already said - enemy team isn't obligated to play hide'n'seek and search for you around the map. It's up to you to engage with them. Otherwise it falls under "Avoiding engaging" violation of COC.

Did i overlooked that part of your post .. ?

I am completyl with you regarding those "non-participating" last light standing and it is also - afaik - agains the TOS.

But - as stated above - not every last light standing is acting against TOS or trolling.

[Baelfire]

MrMadguy, on 25 February 2016 - 11:09 PM, said:

Disliking a map or game mode or attempting to preserve a player statistic such as Kill/Death Ratio are not acceptable excuses for non-participation.

It's funny that you quote the rules about non-participation, because they apparently do not apply to you. From another thread:

MrMadguy, on 23 February 2016 - 08:35 AM, said:

Short queue time doesn't mean anything, when time is wasted in terrible unbalanced match at stupid map/mode anyway. I'd better wait for 8 minutes for good match, then spend this 8 minutes, AFKing at Polar Conquest.

So, it ok for you to break the ToS and go afk because you don't like a map, but other people have to follow the ToS strictly and without exception. Seems fair, with no double standards...

Edited by Baelfire, 26 February 2016 - 05:44 AM.

[Intrepid]

Baelfire, on 26 February 2016 - 05:44 AM, said:

It's funny that you quote the rules about non-participation, because they apparently do not apply to you. From another thread:


So, it ok for you to break the ToS and go afk because you don't like a map, but other people have to follow the ToS strictly and without exception. Seems fair, with no double standards...

He should change his name to MrBad

[nehebkau]

Baelfire, on 26 February 2016 - 05:44 AM, said:

It's funny that you quote the rules about non-participation, because they apparently do not apply to you. From another thread:

So, it ok for you to break the ToS and go afk because you don't like a map, but other people have to follow the ToS strictly and without exception. Seems fair, with no double standards...

I think somebody just won.

[MrMadguy]

Baelfire, on 26 February 2016 - 05:44 AM, said:

It's funny that you quote the rules about non-participation, because they apparently do not apply to you. From another thread:



So, it ok for you to break the ToS and go afk because you don't like a map, but other people have to follow the ToS strictly and without exception. Seems fair, with no double standards...

Forgot to quote it and you don't understand sarcasm without it. Feel the difference: AFK vs "AFK".
1) When you are in brawler build at Snipe/LRM map, like Polar - you have nothing to do there, except "AFKing" behind teammates' backs.
2) Absolutely nothing happens there for about 5-8 minutes anyway. AFK for 5 minutes, come back - and realize, that you haven't missed anything - it's still 0:0.

Edited by MrMadguy, 26 February 2016 - 07:42 AM.

[TVMA Doc]

Nauht, on 24 February 2016 - 02:33 PM, said:

OP is talking about those (usually small lights) that want to pad their kdr and deliberately shutdown somewhere or avoid enemies with ecm and their speed.

They're not positioning for better firing angles, they're not trying to keep the enemy at long range in order to kill by a thousand cuts.

They're deliberately avoiding any and all enemies to draw out the round presumably for their kdr.

If I see a (usually light) mech doing that I'm gonna warn them in chat to do something, anything, then gonna call out their position in chat. Reporting does nothing.

Unfortunately, calling out their position in global is more than likely going to get you sanctioned. It's against the TOS. I also find it annoying when mechs on either side draw out a hopeless match, but you're going to get that anytime you play a game with any random players. I

Remember that there are times when that light may be extending the time during conquest when it might win the match. That doesn't count as a violation of TOS.

[Lugh]

Is now a BAD TIME to point out that the only reason the last light mech can run away is:


you missed him

[Melon Lord]

ITT I learned 11 people should quit as soon as one of their team mates goes down, as they're probably going to lose and are "ceasing to meaningfully contribute for the remainder of the match".