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[Ted Wayz]

Kyynele, on 29 February 2016 - 08:59 PM, said:

If you do get alphaed on a ST in a 60 ton mech and die really early in a match, the reality is that you probably did some other mistake than picking that certain mech. By my experience, with a big XL engine the Rifleman is maneuverable enough to perform pretty reliably. Huge PPC/Gauss alphas aren't really the dominant meta at the moment, and laser alphas aren't hard to roll.

I placed 2nd in the tournament with the 3C variant (and 6th with the hero), playing solo queue only. So far I've played 83 matches in the 3C, and it's dealt an average of exactly 500 dmg per match (41500 total in those matches), which is better than my Ebon Jaguars, for example. If it would have a genuine tendency to die early surprise deaths often, I'm pretty sure it would show in the averages.

I wouldn't mind getting some extra durability buffs for it of course, but if you're doing really badly in a fast-ish mech that has all it's hardpoints almost ridiculously high, you're probably not playing it to it's strengths.

Well since I am not doing badly in the mech I guess this doesn't apply to me.

And on average my scores are very good with really good peak scores. Had I played 83 matches I am sure I could have hit the top ten. But it doesn't mean that this mech doesn't require extreme care. Because it can be unforgiving of a single mistake. Your averages can also hide that.

But again, I ask the question that no one seems to want to answer. Given that the Rifleman has more armor in TT than the Jager, does it feel more durable? In previous posts people kept saying "it is not a Jager". Correct, it should be more durable as the Jager is supposed to be a glass cannon per TT and the Rifleman is not.

[Ted Wayz]

Bishop Steiner, on 29 February 2016 - 09:52 PM, said:

Ayup.

But it's easier to blame the mech, than to modify play style.

I have been more than adept at adapting to the mech. My rank with the mech proves that I am speaking with skill and experience. Let's see your Rifleman stats since you seem to be an expert with it. Or are you just hiding behind other peoples posts?

[Chados]

I ran a whole bunch of solo queue matches last night where I was the only RFL on the map. Rarely saw another one the whole night, and when I did it was a 3N. No LKs, 3Cs, or 5Ds, oddly. Lot of matches where I was paired up with two TBRs and an EBJ in the same lance, tho. It was running about 80% Clan hardware but for a few assaults, Atlases and Maulers mostly. Couple Marauders out there and saw some Jägers too.

Think a lot of folks have their RFLs skilled and are putting them away because they are so fragile. I like them a lot, though-I think I will stick with mine for awhile. I just wish they had a little better staying power for the midrange game.

[Kyynele]

Ted Wayz, on 01 March 2016 - 01:41 AM, said:

And on average my scores are very good with really good peak scores. Had I played 83 matches I am sure I could have hit the top ten. But it doesn't mean that this mech doesn't require extreme care. Because it can be unforgiving of a single mistake. Your averages can also hide that.

Well, the reason I could keep stay sane and play that many matches was because I had exceptionally few bad matches, and actually had fun playing it. Which is exactly why I find this Rifleman complaint threads so baffling.

I honestly was expecting the Rifleman to be an underdog, but it had no trouble keeping up with the current meta mechs, even when pushing hard to get the solo kills. The screenshots I took during the tournament show only a few massive peaks, most of the won matches ended with a steady 500-600 damage done, and lost ones with typical 300-400. I think I did die early on in something like 5 of those games, but all of them were pure pilot error, being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Even if the mech would've had the structure quirks of an Atlas, I wouldn't have lasted longer than an alpha or two, and it wouldn't have made any difference for the match outcome.

And yeah, lower tiers have it much easier to get high tournament scores, farming new T4 and T5 pilots. I'm sure you could've done it, too.

[Soultraxx]

Otto Cannon, on 01 March 2016 - 12:29 AM, said:

To be honest the best result would be if they just made LBX worth using on any mech without needing extreme quirks. Seems like there's no chance of that though.

Very much this.

I love the Lbx - the sound it makes (especially the 20), the way the shot looks and I love the general idea of them. They could be so much more.

However I wont be using them until they get better.

[Rinkata Prime]

It is very funny, that almost everyone who said "yada yada nice mech, bad pilots" have their tiers hidden.
Are you guys from tier 5? If so - well, yes, it should works fine, lol.

Edited by Rinkata Kimiku, 01 March 2016 - 05:36 AM.

[Black Ivan]

3C Rifleman with 3 AC5s can be a beast and 3N with dual AC5 Ultra and a couple of medium lasers I quite ok. That said I got cored on more than one occassion becaue center torso seem so easy to hit.

Legend Killer and 5D are my least favourites. I haven't found a decent config for me.

[Jaqir]

Then, if you're used to piloting meta 'mechs, you probably wouldn't get the most out of something like the Rifleman.

Using tier to validate arguments is kind of silly for many reasons, and tends to actually do the exact opposite of giving you credibility. Just a friendly hint, make what you wish of it.

[Rinkata Prime]

Kyynele
Tournament is not a good place to test a new mech. Because you're fighting mostly against opponents which are piloting the same mech.
When shadow cat was released I had done 1k damage with it several times, because I was fighting aginst other shadow cats.
But I hope you know how bad shadow cat is in comparison with other mechs. Same story with rifleman.

[Rinkata Prime]

Jaqir, on 01 March 2016 - 05:45 AM, said:

Using tier to validate arguments is kind of silly for many reasons, and tends to actually do the exact opposite of giving you credibility. Just a friendly hint, make what you wish of it.

Higher tier - higher shooting skills of your opponents, higher focus on your weak points.
At higher tiers people don't just shoot your mech, they shoot its weak points first, so Rifleman lost its side-torsos all the time.
If someone shoot a side-torso of your mech, others would see it, and focus on it too. So you'll be dead very soon if you're using XL engine, or lost your firepower if using STD. Sure thing, you could twist torso to hide damaged part, but it doesn't help you too much, because there is no need to deal lots of damage to rifleman's poor side-torso to destroy it.

And you can't stay hidden all the time. There will be only several choises:
1) You could deal lots of damage from long range to make a kill before enemies could get to you (not for Rifleman).
2) You could run faster than your opponents and keep range (not for Rifleman).
3) You could tank enough damage to make a kill in mid/close combat (not for Rifleman).

So poor Rifleman need to get one of above features (no matter which one) to be at least a good mech.

Edited by Rinkata Kimiku, 01 March 2016 - 06:06 AM.

[Metus regem]

Rinkata Kimiku, on 29 February 2016 - 05:59 PM, said:

If you want to teach me how to play, show your tier first (you can do it in your profile settings).
Make sure I am not offensive at you, but you can't compare game difficulty in different tiers.

You do understand that PSR is just an XP bar right? It means nothing....

That being said I play against/with players like Sandpit, El Bandito, Ultimatum X and several others from groups like the 228/MS/EMP from time to time. I also mostly do CW now as PUG que is just pathic.

Treat the Riflemen as an oversized medium and she'll do good, also make sure there is something meaner near by to draw attention form you.

[Lily from animove]

Rinkata Kimiku, on 29 February 2016 - 03:26 PM, said:

PGI, give MOAR love to Rifleman, please.

sounds like someone wants a Rilfe surgery to enlarge his "love potential"

[DaZur]

Sorry...

Anyone who believes the Rifleman is worthless, doesn't understand how to pilot one.

It's a paper tiger... Brawlers need not apply.

[OznerpaG]

Ted Wayz, on 29 February 2016 - 06:20 PM, said:

Okay, so do you think the Jager is more fragile than the Rifleman? Based upon what you have said then it should be.

i can't say if it actually is or not because already owning Jags i didn't think it was worthwhile picking up the RFL, even though it looks great and has better hardpoints

but i do find the Jag to be fragile unless it's operated in a specific manner, and being that the Jag was designed to be an upgraded RFL (whether that objective succeeded is another argument) then i think it'd be appropriate that they share similar characteristics for flavour purposes. because of it's high hardpoints the RFL can be allowed to be fragile in MWO since like the Jag it's easy to use in a specific manner (good use of cover) to cancel out that weakness

but what i think as appropriate and what PGI does are usually 2 very different things

[CygnusX7]

Anytime I feel like Ted does the first thing I do is keep quiet and not whine on the forum about it..

Why?
A friend I often drop with will jump in the same mech and wreck face with it match after match.

The mech isn't the problem.

[VirtualSmitty]

The Rifleman was quite honestly the least exciting to me of the unseens recently to me. That being said I was presently surprised by what we got, I almost passed on buying but glad I didn't. It's a solid, well designed chassis, that doesn't rely on quirks and requires some skill to do well in. I was away on vacation during the event so i'm in the process of leveling them up now and enjoying every minute of it. it's role is really second line support, try to brawl in this thing and your done, which I like as it's fitting to the mechs lore. Every dozen matches or so I break it up and run Marauders or Banshees, feels like easy mode after some time in the Rifleman!

[TKG]

Chados, on 01 March 2016 - 03:23 AM, said:

I ran a whole bunch of solo queue matches last night where I was the only RFL on the map. Rarely saw another one the whole night, and when I did it was a 3N. No LKs, 3Cs, or 5Ds, oddly. Lot of matches where I was paired up with two TBRs and an EBJ in the same lance, tho. It was running about 80% Clan hardware but for a few assaults, Atlases and Maulers mostly. Couple Marauders out there and saw some Jägers too.

Think a lot of folks have their RFLs skilled and are putting them away because they are so fragile. I like them a lot, though-I think I will stick with mine for awhile. I just wish they had a little better staying power for the midrange game.

I agree it's not a commonly seen mech because it requires some critical thinking to operate, I operated one of my models last night as part of it's extended field test and failed to spot any other Riflemen for several hours across a bunch of games.

Jaqir, on 01 March 2016 - 05:45 AM, said:

Then, if you're used to piloting meta 'mechs, you probably wouldn't get the most out of something like the Rifleman.
Using tier to validate arguments is kind of silly for many reasons, and tends to actually do the exact opposite of giving you credibility. Just a friendly hint, make what you wish of it.

I have to agree here on both points, the Rifleman will probably never have a 'meta' version and thus wont be picked up by the competition teams. Additionally since no one can even agree what the critiera for the tier system is using it to make an argument is kind of daft.

Rinkata Kimiku, on 01 March 2016 - 06:02 AM, said:

Higher tier - higher shooting skills of your opponents, higher focus on your weak points.
At higher tiers people don't just shoot your mech, they shoot its weak points first, so Rifleman lost its side-torsos all the time.
If someone shoot a side-torso of your mech, others would see it, and focus on it too. So you'll be dead very soon if you're using XL engine, or lost your firepower if using STD. Sure thing, you could twist torso to hide damaged part, but it doesn't help you too much, because there is no need to deal lots of damage to rifleman's poor side-torso to destroy it.

And you can't stay hidden all the time. There will be only several choises:
1) You could deal lots of damage from long range to make a kill before enemies could get to you (not for Rifleman).
2) You could run faster than your opponents and keep range (not for Rifleman).
3) You could tank enough damage to make a kill in mid/close combat (not for Rifleman).

So poor Rifleman need to get one of above features (no matter which one) to be at least a good mech.

Thats all theoretical, it could also mean the players up there cheated the system by cooking the books for win rate or use min/max (meta) builds so much that they have slithered their way to the 'top'. As for your points about the rifleman..

1. This is very easily done, you clearly just dont know how to yet.
2. The rifleman was never about speed, your supposed to be intuitive and aware enough to know when to move before fleeing is needed.
3. It's a rifleman, tanking was never an option, if you thought it was, I suggest you go buy a Mackie it's the best light mech ever.

DaZur, on 01 March 2016 - 06:07 AM, said:

Sorry...
Anyone who believes the Rifleman is worthless, doesn't understand how to pilot one.
It's a paper tiger... Brawlers need not apply.

Heh heh, though I prefer the term "Tinfoil Tiger" if only because a raven with a ac/20 or a cicada with dual guass is more of a paper tiger than the rifleman could ever be.

[Thunderbird Anthares]

Ted Wayz, on 01 March 2016 - 01:28 AM, said:

Hate to break it to you but mechs do get shot. And when they do you should be able to recover from one mistake. This mech can have one mistake end its match.

I love the assumption that just because someone thinks the mech is bad they somehow do not know how to pilot or pilot the mech. My results show otherwise, I posted my Rifleman stats in a previous thread, let's see yours.

well then im sorry i didnt shell out money for the pack, because i dont have one - i do however have Jagers and i have fought against (and with) Riflemen

yeah, its not supposed to get shot - means you should actively avoid it, not that it has a magic field that says "plz dont shoot" - try to use common sense when reading next time

guess what, any mech can have one mistake and just outright die - assaults can take more and lights can run away more, and then there is everything in between
Rifleman CAN take a couple of hits and shake them off - but its definitely more on the avoidance side than the Jager... its also a little bit quicker to facilitate that

sorry if you dont like your latest purchase - but you bought it, not me... i prefer beefier mechs

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

You do know that the Rifleman is kinda famous for having paper armor. It's strength is ment to be long range Direct fire support. Anything else and it put's itself in real danger.

[GreenHell]

Rinkata Kimiku, on 29 February 2016 - 05:22 PM, said:

Rifleman can't be a good ballistic firesupport. It maybe works in Tiers 4 or 5 or maybe 3, but not in my Tier 2.
Rifleman has no weight for ballistic weapons.

Customize your Rifleman to fit a mixed build. Try this one out for a bit. This is the best results I've had on my Rifleman and I've been doing very well with it (consistently I might add).

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...cc7a386fb294b3f

Just remember one thing. Peek, shoot, and hide. Never EVER be seen out in the open. Stay on your teams flanks, and remember to not get left behind. If your group starts to move, get out of your position and find a new spot.

If enemy team is here -> O

And your team is here-> X
There is cover over here---->@
You should be here------------>