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[Oderint dum Metuant]

cdlord, on 03 March 2016 - 01:09 PM, said:

Getting a bit obtuse aren't you?

No my high res gaming monitor allows me to do things potatoes can't.
As does my mouse.

[LORD TSARKON]

The September 3rd, 2013 Patch NERFED the PPC/ER PPC + Gauss Highlander Poptarting Crap back in the day...

• PPC and ERPPC nerfed heavily (more heat, less speed, minimum range 90m).
  
• SRM4 and SRM2 buffed slightly.
  
• New Hero Mech: Protector (Orion chassis, 75t).
  
• New Movement Tutorial.
  
• Gauss Rifle reworked (requires you to charge the weapon before you can fire it).
  
• Advanced Zoom Module improved.

I never used the Highlander or even PPCs with Gauss but I did enjoy some dual Gauss builds... but that Charge Mechanic SCREWED ME over... I was a horrible shot after that..

I cannot explain it... My love of Gauss was screwed... because some people (including the people reading this) exploited the META of highlanders back in the day... a Few People screwed EVERYONE...and PGI had to fix (we all know what that means).

After 6 months I finally figured out a Macro that works for me... I know some people say that the charge mechanic is smarter (its not... its a bandaid fix for a huge problem in this game) or that I need to skill up... but I was punished because of exploitative players and horrible developer fixes... in the end the common player got screwed..

I dont cheat... and usually I agree that macros can give you an advantage (just like a 2000 dollar PC or high end monitor can) to a game... but I want to enjoy the precious few minutes I get to game every week with a weapon system and mech that I enjoy playing...

When I see these Threads about Macros and how or if they are cheats... I shake my head at what this game could have been...

So go ahead and call me a cheater... or crappy player... I am the VICTIM here...

If you want a one button CLICK GAUSS.... <-----

[Windscape]

uugh another pointless forum thread. I heard the PGI supports macros or at least allows them

[CDLord HHGD]

Oderint dum Metuant, on 03 March 2016 - 01:14 PM, said:

No my high res gaming monitor allows me to do things potatoes can't.
As does my mouse.

Define "things". Otherwise it's still obtuse. Give some acute details.

[Burke IV]

LORD TSARKON, on 03 March 2016 - 01:18 PM, said:

I am the VICTIM here...

Nope, everybody that gets killed by this replacement for skill is.

[Bilbo]

Render, on 03 March 2016 - 01:08 PM, said:

When I am in a game i get pumped up and want to fire, fire fire. Now I admit I have not even looked for these macros and I never used them... but it sounds like it would help me and people like me who loose dexterity when excited.
So they should be In Game, thats all i am saying here. We All should get to use them or No One should use them.

There is no macro, that I am aware of, that will allow you to "fire, fire, fire" without overheating. Even macros that might allow for consistent fire intervals require you to pay attention to your heat. As others have stated, autohotkey will allow for the former if you don't have a gaming mouse and/or keyboard.

[ChronoBear]

OP... This thread killed me so badly I had to login at work to reply.

Listen, With lets say a Dashi.... you can put ACs on chain fire on lets say.... Left Mouse and Space Bar. When aimed at a target you can hold them both down oooooorrrr, you can hold down left mouse and spam the space bar with your thumb.

The results are usually a kill for me ... thats using the system we have.

Macros are not OP or cheating... you must be new to online or computer games to begin with to make such a statement.

Good Day Sir,

[Revis Volek]

Burke IV, on 03 March 2016 - 01:23 PM, said:

Nope, everybody that gets killed by this replacement for skill is.

Its not a replacement for skill, this isnt AIM BOT or WALL HACK, it making you weapons fire reliably (not even faster) you still have to take the shots, aim, and keep your mech positioned to do the dmg you need to do.

Bilbo, on 03 March 2016 - 01:25 PM, said:

There is no macro, that I am aware of, that will allow you to "fire, fire, fire" without overheating. Even macros that might allow for consistent fire intervals require you to pay attention to your heat. As others have stated, autohotkey will allow for the former if you don't have a gaming mouse and/or keyboard.

I agree i have never seen a MACRO that knows what your heat is and stops the AUTOMATIC firing that these fools think happens.

Do you think that with a macro you dont have to do anything but walk? Is that why you guys think it cheating?

Again, it just strikes me hard that non of you know how they work but are crying that they are cheating. Just because you dont understand it means it cheating....right.



What is this? Afraid of science? Burn the witches, the earth is flat.

[Burke IV]

The thing with the guass is a good example tbh and is invisable aswell You are supposed to mis time occasionally, machines may have perfect repetition time after time but humans do not. That one time when you really need it and the match depends on it you are supposed to screw up because thats a level playing field. How can a gaus macro not be a cheat?

[Dread Render]

ChronoBear, on 03 March 2016 - 01:25 PM, said:

Listen, With lets say a Dashi.... you can put ACs on chain fire on lets say.... Left Mouse and Space Bar. When aimed at a target you can hold them both down oooooorrrr, you can hold down left mouse and spam the space bar with your thumb.

The results are usually a kill for me ... thats using the system we have.

Macros are not OP or cheating... you must be new to online or computer games to begin with to make such a statement.

Good Day Sir,

Okay, I admit I am feeling a little stupid now... Would you please explain how putting the same weapons on Two fire keys helps please? ... not sarcasm. Thanks

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Burke IV, on 03 March 2016 - 01:23 PM, said:

Nope, everybody that gets killed by this replacement for skill is.

It isn't a replacement for skill because a good number of top level players don't even bother with macros at all. I've never asked many how many play with macros, but I doubt it is many because their usefulness is fairly limited to begin with.

[LORD TSARKON]

Burke IV, on 03 March 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

The thing with the guass is a good example tbh and is invisable aswell You are supposed to mis time occasionally, machines may have perfect repetition time after time but humans do not. That one time when you really need it and the match depends on it you are supposed to screw up because thats a level playing field. How can a gaus macro not be a cheat?

No you are not... the ENTIRE reason Gauss became a charge mechanic was to stop the Dual PPC+ Gauss Highlander poptarting back in 2013. It was to DE SYNC the weapon with PPC... SIMPLe as that..

How would you feel if lasers had a charge mechanic or regular PPCs or even EVery weapon in the game? how ******** would that be...

[CDLord HHGD]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 03 March 2016 - 01:34 PM, said:

It isn't a replacement for skill because a good number of top level players don't even bother with macros at all. I've never asked many how many play with macros, but I doubt it is many because their usefulness is fairly limited to begin with.

I think you'd be surprised.... No way to know though.

[DAYLEET]

Oderint dum Metuant, on 03 March 2016 - 01:05 PM, said:

News at 10.
High resolution monitors and mice with more than 2 primary buttons now banned from MWO due to being classed as an exploit.

Oderint dum Metuant, on 03 March 2016 - 01:14 PM, said:

No my high res gaming monitor allows me to do things potatoes can't.
As does my mouse.

Mouse and Monitor don't play the game for you. They don't defeat the purpose of playing a game and getting better at it. Unless you are disabled you should not seek to use macros. The only reason someone not disabled uses macros is to gain an advantage or fill a hole in his lacking abilities. And ofc testing purpose but i assume honest testing purpose are kept out of public games.

I don't think anyone "competitive" as stated in the op uses macros as they also bind you in a limited course of action. But if they do, PGI should seek to tweak whatever it is so macroing don't make it better.

Game Company can't ban/block too much macros(some games do for particular ones but not globaly). Hardware ships with the ability to create macros as a selling point, they would lose the hardware manufacturers support if they went all out and said no macros allowed and yes they can detect macros even with range(random) values.

Macros are like cheats in the sense that, if frustating, you wont encounter them often enough to make a difference in the grand scheme of things. It's the only positive point ive ever found with MatchMaker, you hardly play with the same people all the time. It severely lowers the possibilities of playing again with those people since they are so few to begin with.


All in all, id rather suck or get better than let the computer play for me.

Edited by DAYLEET, 03 March 2016 - 01:40 PM.

[Burke IV]

LORD TSARKON, on 03 March 2016 - 01:35 PM, said:

No you are not...

I see. Im sorry its clear now. The charge up mechanic.... it only applys to you .... IF you want it to!

Dont matter that its part of the game, you got some idea in your head about why it was introduced that you dont like or disagree with, so to hell with it. Now your all macroed up you never fluff a shot. Leet skilz

Im sorry i shouldnt tease, but the player will fail sometimes, the computer never will. If your gong to automate firing, hey why not moving aswell... aim too, you can go do something else while your pc plays for you

[Quicksilver Aberration]

cdlord, on 03 March 2016 - 01:36 PM, said:

I think you'd be surprised.... No way to know though.

Yeah there is, I just ask those in my team, no one is going to be scared to utilize a tool, that said it doesn't offer any really benefit so even if there are some using some, the number will probably be small.

[CDLord HHGD]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 03 March 2016 - 01:44 PM, said:

Yeah there is, I just ask those in my team, no one is going to be scared to utilize a tool, that said it doesn't offer any really benefit so even if there are some using some, the number will probably be small.

So your team is the only "comp" team out there and speak for the community at large?? Yeah, I talked to my team too and they see lots of macros being used.

[Ace Selin]

[Quicksilver Aberration]

cdlord, on 03 March 2016 - 01:46 PM, said:

So your team is the only "comp" team out there and speak for the community at large??

No, but there is not going to be much difference with macros between our unit and the rest of the comp groups. As for your second part, I see a lot of people using LRMs, does that mean that they are used by comp players too?

[ChronoBear]

Render, on 03 March 2016 - 01:31 PM, said:

Okay, I admit I am feeling a little stupid now... Would you please explain how putting the same weapons on Two fire keys helps please? ... not sarcasm. Thanks

Oh well for me its a lazy way to put a ton of Ultra 5 ammo down range. For example
LMB Fire Group 1 - Chain Fire
Space Fire group 6 - Chain Fire

You can hold down LMB and apply space bar as needed. I almost NEVER overheat and I throw a ton of shots on target. The already built in system will skip to the next available AC and or fire the "Ultra" mode if available.

I assumed a lot of folks do this.