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[Johnny Z]

Spam Lanwalker, on 04 March 2016 - 11:35 PM, said:

then its your fault for becoming excitable , your argument thast it gives a significant advantage is flawed and your counter to reason is simply to put your fingers in your ears and shout LA LA LA I CANT HeAR YOU !! or state that you re rtight without reasoning . as its been stated (ad infinitum) before . MACRO'S CAN DO NO EXTRA THAN THE HUMAN HAND /EYE. Now quit your goddamned whining /thread

Weakest argument I have ever seen. Even on the interwebs, you deserve a prize then seek help from a head doctor. Because a person can walk 50 kilometers doesn't make the other person using a car without advantage. GET REAL.

"The marathon has started! And they are off, it looks like so and so is taking the lead as the lead pack splits off. WAIT A MINUTE, OMG there is some nut job in a car running everyone over and look, hes smiling and waving at the camera like hes taking the lead following the rules."

Edited by Johnny Z, 04 March 2016 - 11:54 PM.

[Triordinant]

[Pjwned]

Johnny Z, on 04 March 2016 - 11:46 PM, said:

Weakest argument I have ever seen. Even on the interwebs, you deserve a prize then seek help from a head doctor. Because a person can walk 50 kilometers doesn't make the other person using a car without advantage. GET REAL.

"The marathon has started! And they are off, it looks like so and so is taking the lead as the lead pack splits off. WAIT A MINUTE, OMG there is some nut job in a car running everyone over and look, hes smiling and waving at the camera like hes taking the lead following the rules."

Macros are not like driving a car in a marathon race, that's a completely asinine analogy.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Pjwned, on 05 March 2016 - 12:04 AM, said:

Macros are not like driving a car in a marathon race, that's a completely asinine analogy.

A post from Johnny Z and your surprised at its validity.

[Sigilum Sanctum]

Oh boy! Is it time for one of THOSE threads again?

[jjm1]

Well its obviously clear that not many people understand what macros even do.

I'm guessing they keep getting wrecked and as usual need to pin the blame on anything other than themselves. You lost, ergo hacks.

The mech builds I'd even consider using timing macros on cant hope to compete with alpha strike laser builds, factor that in. You can macro laser groups to get configurations in between chain and group fire, but there is no real advantage to doing that over group fire.

The advantages you perceive can be attributed right back to you psyching yourself out because you think more shots are being fired per second due to them being evenly spaced.

[Kodyn]

I find these threads amusing because you get to see who is actually logical and intelligent, and who thinks the sky is falling and can be safely ignored 100% of the time.

I'm usually one of the biggest defenders of macros, even though I've never bothered to use them. I defend them simply because PGI states they're legal, so any argument beyond that is pointless, and besides which, as a person with physical injuries that cause me serious arm, shoulder and back pain, I can totally relate to those that use them for similar reasons.

If I had a better mouse, keyboard that cost more than $11 and wasn't from Wal-Mart, and motivation, I might use them myself, but I can't really be bothered by any of that.

[Pjwned]

Oderint dum Metuant, on 05 March 2016 - 12:07 AM, said:

A post from Johnny Z and your surprised at its validity.

Never said I was surprised, but I try to let poster names influence my replies minimally.

[Johnny Z]

Pjwned, on 05 March 2016 - 12:04 AM, said:

Macros are not like driving a car in a marathon race, that's a completely asinine analogy.

Its as asinine as saying that anything a macro can do a player can do easily and a lot funnier.

[Kodyn]

Better comparison would be wearing brand new running shoes, or beat up old Converse, in that marathon....

That's about as big a difference macros can make. And just like those brand new shoes won't be worn-in and comfortable, those macros won't be a 100% improvement either. Wasting gauss ammo because you can't hold the shot, spending too much face-time for too little damage because your AC macro is so fun you forget in this meta that if you stare, you die.....yeah, I'll pass.

But we have to have scapegoats, keeps the sales of tinfoil up.

[Johnny Z]

Kodyn, on 05 March 2016 - 02:02 AM, said:

Better comparison would be wearing brand new running shoes, or beat up old Converse, in that marathon....

That's about as big a difference macros can make. And just like those brand new shoes won't be worn-in and comfortable, those macros won't be a 100% improvement either. Wasting gauss ammo because you can't hold the shot, spending too much face-time for too little damage because your AC macro is so fun you forget in this meta that if you stare, you die.....yeah, I'll pass.

But we have to have scapegoats, keeps the sales of tinfoil up.

Sorry wrong a macro is a third party program firing the weapon for the player. Now if those old converse were on a mech and the player was piloting that mech then you would be correct.

3rd party program firing the weapon for the player = car = not the same thing.

Lets not let the 3rd party program crutch wielding lose sight of the facts.

Fact is I have no issue with this until the 3 stage gauss mechanic was added and it barely effects my game play. I just don't use gauss although I can and same goes for ultra ac's because I don't like clicking so much.

Edited by Johnny Z, 05 March 2016 - 02:21 AM.

[Kodyn]

Johnny Z, on 05 March 2016 - 02:13 AM, said:

Sorry wrong a macro is a third party program firing the weapon for the player.

Except, as has been explained to you more times than I care to remember at this point, it doesn't actually fire for you. You still have to click, it's just a different chain fire speed than the game has by default. It's not firing for you.

Maybe I should say that again- It's not firing for you. And I'm going to remind you that you're arguing with someone who doesn't defend macros out of my need to use them. I don't use any nor care about them one way or another, I just hate seeing ignorance. It's like watching a kid run his head into a brick wall over and over reading posts complaining about problems that simply don't exist.

There's a lot of good reasons macros are legal in many, many online games. There's a really big difference in macro use of the sort you see in MWO, and actual cheating. Please, for the love of whatever you deem holy, learn the frakking difference.

Last I'll say on the matter to the parties involved...if they still decide to go on about it, I'll have to accept that some people cannot or will not accept reality and logic, or that I'm being trolled by a very subtle genius.

[Mystere]

oldradagast, on 04 March 2016 - 06:18 PM, said:

Lol... I love silly threads like this. People claiming macros "don't do anything you can't do," and yet dancing around the issue of how the macros obviously give you an edge otherwise nobody would use them. It's like people using performance enhancing drugs in sports - "Uh, well... they don't give you the ability to do things you can't already do." Right... so, if that's true, why does anyone use the drugs / macros?

Once again I think this needs reposting:

Mystere, on 03 March 2016 - 03:17 PM, said:

This is 100% macros:

Also:

Mystere, on 04 March 2016 - 01:45 PM, said:

Here is an example. Do you see that grey analog dial on the rightmost side of the throttle in the picture I posted on the previous page? What if that controlled your rate of fire (chained or grouped) as you pulled and held a trigger? Suddenly, you do not have to worry about timing while repeatedly pressing and releasing the trigger. You can then dedicate more brain power into aiming, piloting, or something else.

That is a very good thing.

Jealous?

[Bobzilla]

You don't need any special equipment at all. There is software, free. Along with guides, and specific macros for MWO. Use it, you'll find most of the time they don't help all that much, sometimes a lot.

Point is, in fairness they should make a macro UI. Mostly to replace/improve the terrible chain/group UI (its just a really bad macro UI) and avoid threads like this.

[Mystere]

Johnny Z, on 05 March 2016 - 02:13 AM, said:

Fact is I have no issue with this until the 3 stage gauss mechanic was added and it barely effects my game play. I just don't use gauss although I can and same goes for ultra ac's because I don't like clicking so much.

You're using this to complain about macros? LOL! This is one of those times where I recommend players not use macros. Using them increases your chances of wasting a shot.




<Unless of course you have the right software and programming skills and as such are 100% capable of writing a macro that includes cancelling the gauss shot. But that's a closely-guarded secret.>

Edited by Mystere, 05 March 2016 - 05:34 AM.

[Mystere]

Bobzilla, on 05 March 2016 - 05:18 AM, said:

You don't need any special equipment at all. There is software, free. Along with guides, and specific macros for MWO. Use it, you'll find most of the time they don't help all that much, sometimes a lot.

Point is, in fairness they should make a macro UI. Mostly to replace/improve the terrible chain/group UI (its just a really bad macro UI) and avoid threads like this.

Alternatively, instead of wasting time, effort, and other limited resources building one, PGI can just point people to hardware-independent macro software like AutoHotKey. They really do not have to build one into the game, especially if they cannot do any better.

Of course, the usual suspects will most certainly complain next that people are using software not approved by PGI.

Edited by Mystere, 05 March 2016 - 05:42 AM.

[GreenHell]

Kodyn, on 05 March 2016 - 12:35 AM, said:

-snip-
If I had a better mouse, keyboard that cost more than $11 and wasn't from Wal-Mart, and motivation, I might use them myself, but I can't really be bothered by any of that.

You actually only need a free program called AutoHotkey to macro, and the program doesn't care what mouse or keyboard you have. I can post a sample code for you if you like.

[Idealsuspect]

brophy79, on 03 March 2016 - 12:29 PM, said:

Why are macros still allowed? This is cheating! Allowing weapons to fire faster and generating less heat than attended is cheating. The only way to combat this is for everyone to use them, If this is the case them why doesn't pgi include this in the game? If this is not sorted good luck with making this a competitive game.

You are entirely right ...
If macros are allowed ok fine, implement this in the core mechanics of game like we have mechs loadout and groups weapons to set.
If it isnt also make some monitoring, bann people who will still use it after a patch note warning.

Any solutions are ok but be clear and fair... If you havent simlply the ressources for implement it in the game or prevents theirs use just tell us too and admit that you can't provide a real competitive fair game.
I will be ok with any solutions in fact i don't care but the actual system is totally PGI... not finish, not clear, not balanced, not professionnal. ( i use some macros )

Edited by Idealsuspect, 05 March 2016 - 06:51 AM.

[TimePeriod]

I think certain aspects of macro's could be considered borderline cheat'y.

Stagger fire on a AC2, that's sort of hard to do by hand. I have a dedicated gaming mouse with several buttons and a APEX gaming keyboard and I still can't find a combination that allows me to do such a fire pattern.

Dancing around the ghost heat limitation, as I can't do it under fire, moving and jump jetting.

As for the gauss rifle, I think its pretty much null effect as the green bar still has to travel all the way down before you can fire the gun.

Precision timing is where macro's help a lot I think.

[Ghogiel]

oldradagast, on 04 March 2016 - 06:18 PM, said:

Lol... I love silly threads like this. People claiming macros "don't do anything you can't do," and yet dancing around the issue of how the macros obviously give you an edge otherwise nobody would use them. It's like people using performance enhancing drugs in sports - "Uh, well... they don't give you the ability to do things you can't already do." Right... so, if that's true, why does anyone use the drugs / macros?

Crutch coffee drinkers should be banned for cheating!