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[Star Wolves Admin Account]

SplashDown, on 05 March 2016 - 05:28 AM, said:

some-1 saying they are going to hurt you is a threat...wishing you wer hurt is not a threat!..learn the diff and dont be a carebear

Would I have reported them personally for their comment? Probably no. Even they knew they crossed the line as they shut up after it was said and one of my guys said something.

I only lead the unit in regards to its objectives. If someone feels personally offended in my unit about something and believes in it enough to report it I'm not going to stop them and instead encourage it.

From my understanding they send in screenshots directly to PGI and then also sent in at least one in game report so that PGI would know which games logs to check.

Anything else I wasn't there for.

[Jman5]

I mean what do they expect? Some of their members act like jerks nearly every time I see them in a premade. From my limited experience with these guys I imagine they generate a mountain of reports every time they play. PGI was probably just looking for an excuse to throw the book at their unit.

[Khereg]

I don't think PGI is going to comment on this. We'll be left with he said/she said.

The tactic is certainly possible; we can only hope PGI acts wisely if/when it happens.

[Khereg]

Blueduck, on 05 March 2016 - 09:39 AM, said:

I'm a little surprised as to how quickly members of MercStar were willing to jump on the stupid bandwagon. Aren't you guys accused of stupid stuff all the time that makes no common sense and defies logic?

I'm not interested in who supposedly did what to whom, just a general concern that report spamming as a tactic is possible and could be abused.

Given the terms of service we all signed, we're banking on PGI being reasonable and judicious in applying bans. We have no recourse if they aren't.

[Monkey Lover]

ROFL report feature was a big nerf to nkva.

[nehebkau]

I actually find this funny as heck.

A "professional troll unit" who enjoy trolling players to get them off their game (and do it very well) getting trolled... Its really quite funny.

If it were against any other person or unit I would agree -- but NKVA ... well it's ... kinda funny.

(Its not just saltiness because you've trolled me in the past before I realized it was the game you played -- I can take being the butt of a joke -- I'm married with children.)

Edited by nehebkau, 05 March 2016 - 11:23 AM.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Khereg, on 05 March 2016 - 10:45 AM, said:

I don't think PGI is going to comment on this. We'll be left with he said/she said.

The tactic is certainly possible; we can only hope PGI acts wisely if/when it happens.

No it is not possible as I am assuming PGI would review the actual game logs if a mass of reports did come through, especially before banning someone.

Likewise the OP is crap as reports are done anonymously. Essentially no one has anyway of knowing who is reporting who meaning people are just speculating or throwing a temper tantrum.

NKVA has some very good players in them and some of our guys have wanted to report them for being jerks after losing to them after they were taunted mercilessly during the game. I always advised against this as I never really held a grudge over their trolling. I always warn my guys that if you want to report someone it needs to be legit as you can be punished for spamming the report button.

I have never reported them once even though they probably deserved it; likewise we really don't play them that often. Given this maybe this thread should grow a brain and realize if they were banned it probably wasn't because of one screenshot that was submitted as it specifically related to an individual player.

Since we've only played them maybe a total of a few times in the last couple of months is it not safe to assume that if some of their players were banned it was likely because they were harassing many players and units in game? Even if we wanted to we could only "mass report" the few times we actually bumped into them which would simply result in an investigation and us being punished if they weren't saying inappropriate things.

Use a bit of common sense people

[WrongFloor]

Blueduck, on 05 March 2016 - 11:41 AM, said:

No it is not possible as I am assuming PGI would review the actual game logs if a mass of reports did come through, especially before banning someone.

You would assume but it seems like they don't. If they reviewed the game logs they should be able to cite them when someone asks for proof they broke the CoC.

[Nightmare1]

I'd like to report this whole thread, lol.

So much angst. It's like a bunch of teenagers mad because someone used all the hairspray.

*Walks to microwave for another bag of popcorn*

[pbiggz]

oh would you look at that, SWOL defending report button spam.


colour me surprised.

We all know NKVA gets banned without due process now, and so do you SWOL.

If NKVA hurts your feelings so much just turn off all chat instead of getting one of the most active units in the a game banned in a gamemode constantly criticized for having low population.

[Monkey Lover]

pbiggz, on 05 March 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

oh would you look at that, SWOL defending report button spam.


colour me surprised.

We all know NKVA gets banned without due process now, and so do you SWOL.

If NKVA hurts your feelings so much just turn off all chat instead of getting one of the most active units in the a game banned in a gamemode constantly criticized for having low population.

Sorry bud we don't have to turn off the chat because some people can't control themselves. Nice thing about the reports is Pgi can see the chat log and tell right away if what they're typing is within the tos.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 05 March 2016 - 12:12 PM.

[pbiggz]

Monkey Lover, on 05 March 2016 - 12:11 PM, said:

Sorry bud we don't have to turn off the chat because some people can't control themselves. Nice thing about the reports is Pgi can see the chat log and tell right away if what they're typing is within the tos.

Do you know what else is against the tos? spamming the report button because you lost a match. I dont know what NKVA said that day, but from what I heard directly from them, it was nothing out of the ordinary, and getting banned for 2 weeks with no reasons given or actual evidence is no longer out of the ordinary either. When mods amend the TOS to specifically make something NKVA says as a joke a violation of said terms, you know the field is not even anymore. NKVA could get banned for farting. SWOL knew that, thats probably why they thought they could get away with the report spam.

Sorry but you cant square this circle in any way. All I see is a bunch of people whos feelings got hurt abusing the report feature so the mods that they knew wouldn't give the other party a fair chance would just remove them from the game altogether.

Edited by pbiggz, 05 March 2016 - 12:17 PM.

[Monkey Lover]

pbiggz, on 05 March 2016 - 12:13 PM, said:

Do you know what else is against the tos? spamming the report button because you lost a match. I dont know what NKVA said that day, but from what I heard directly from them, it was nothing out of the ordinary, and getting banned for 2 weeks with no reasons given or actual evidence is no longer out of the ordinary either. When mods amend the TOS to specifically make something NKVA says as a joke a violation of said terms, you know the field is not even anymore. NKVA could get banned for farting. SWOL knew that, thats probably why they thought they could get away with the report spam.

Sorry but you cant square this circle in any way. All I see is a bunch of people whos feelings got hurt abusing the report feature so the mods that they knew wouldn't give the other party a fair chance would just remove them from the game altogether.

23 people in a match can report each person for saying something not allowed in the tos. This isn't spamming.

False reports would be a issue but if it's in the chat logs Pgi would know. Email them and they will look it up.

[MischiefSC]

Rampage, on 05 March 2016 - 05:37 AM, said:

You do realize that allowing the TOXIC environment that you are defending actually forces more people out of the game than PGI taking action to make the gaming experience more enjoyable for everyone?

Except it's not toxic. Toxic is a strong word; again the attempt to make a big deal out of a small one.

Do you understand that there's a huge difference between 'You're a ****ing (racial slur)' and 'You're terrible at this game'?

The first would be called 'toxic'. The second is just a bit rude and direct.

I have no issues with NKVAs behavior - if I did see something I had an issue with I'd report it. If I just didn't want to deal with them at all I'd block them in forums and turn the hearing the other teams chat part off for the match and never have to deal with it.

I have a huge issue with people using reporting and 'crying to mommy' to try and force PGI to remove people from the game simply because they disrespected me.

The difference is pretty big. Insult/racial slur? Toxic. Disrespect? Contextual, part of regular human interaction and easy to avoid. Blowing the second out of proportion (like gets done over NKVA) devalues the first.

[Votanin FleshRender]

******* get banned, I'm ok with that.

It's real simple math, don't be an ******.

[Monkey Lover]

MischiefSC, on 05 March 2016 - 12:27 PM, said:

Except it's not toxic. Toxic is a strong word; again the attempt to make a big deal out of a small one.

Do you understand that there's a huge difference between 'You're a ****ing (racial slur)' and 'You're terrible at this game'?

The first would be called 'toxic'. The second is just a bit rude and direct.

I have no issues with NKVAs behavior - if I did see something I had an issue with I'd report it. If I just didn't want to deal with them at all I'd block them in forums and turn the hearing the other teams chat part off for the match and never have to deal with it.

I have a huge issue with people using reporting and 'crying to mommy' to try and force PGI to remove people from the game simply because they disrespected me.

The difference is pretty big. Insult/racial slur? Toxic. Disrespect? Contextual, part of regular human interaction and easy to avoid. Blowing the second out of proportion (like gets done over NKVA) devalues the first.

For me they're not really removing people. They're getting short few days bans. Few people I see this happen too didn't care to much but it did help clean up their chat logs.

[WrongFloor]

Monkey Lover, on 05 March 2016 - 12:25 PM, said:

Email them and they will look it up.

WrongFloor, on 05 March 2016 - 01:09 AM, said:

There were 8 or 9 other people who got two week bans. As far as I know there were no chat logs cited for any of the bans, even after sending a follow-up email asking for them.

[MischiefSC]

Monkey Lover, on 05 March 2016 - 12:31 PM, said:

For me they're not really removing people. They're getting short few days bans. Few people I see this happen too didn't care to much but it did help clean up their chat logs.

Except you're wrong. If this was the guy who said something ban-worthy getting a 2 week ban there wouldn't be a conversation. 8 or 9 people getting a ban over something 1 guy said?

I find the desire to punish a whole unit over 1 player offensive - I also find the desire to get moderation authority to protect you from people who might disrespect you not just offensive but worthy of condemnation. Should I get a bunch of friends to report you? If we do it regularly and often enough and say 'you and your friends' then at some point when you do say something legit against ToS, maybe I can get you all a ban.

Clearly it's a system that works.

[Celtic Warrior]

I was on that drop that night when NKVA was spewing idle threats, lots of internet thugs with nothing to back it up. I personally dislike most of them because as soon as a match starts they start talking **** with no one from our team provoking them. I did not send in a report from that match so saying that our entire drop mass reported is a lie. If they want to act like idiots so be it, it's what we expect from NKVA, childish antics.

There you go the truth is out.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

MischiefSC, on 05 March 2016 - 12:41 PM, said:

Except you're wrong. If this was the guy who said something ban-worthy getting a 2 week ban there wouldn't be a conversation. 8 or 9 people getting a ban over something 1 guy said?

I find the desire to punish a whole unit over 1 player offensive - I also find the desire to get moderation authority to protect you from people who might disrespect you not just offensive but worthy of condemnation. Should I get a bunch of friends to report you? If we do it regularly and often enough and say 'you and your friends' then at some point when you do say something legit against ToS, maybe I can get you all a ban.

Clearly it's a system that works.

Except you don't know what they were banned for do you? People assumed they were mass reported by my unit as that is the line of BS NKVA is spouting out so as usual they can ignore taking any responsibility for why they probably were banned in actuality. In reality, they would have no way of knowing who reported them.

If they were banned it was probably because they were bother people in game like they always do. You bump into these guys randomly in pug games and they are always being rude to people.

Edited by Blueduck, 05 March 2016 - 12:58 PM.