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[Celtic Warrior]

pbiggz, on 05 March 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

oh would you look at that, SWOL defending report button spam.


colour me surprised.

We all know NKVA gets banned without due process now, and so do you SWOL.

If NKVA hurts your feelings so much just turn off all chat instead of getting one of the most active units in the a game banned in a gamemode constantly criticized for having low population.

Or.... wait for it.... NKVA could act like something that resembles a mature adult or young adult, or even a mature 12 year old in their case, even in a game with stompy robots maturity goes a long way. And how do we know they get banned without due process? If PGI reviews the logs and sees idiotic threats against other players then due process was completed and individuals who got banned deserved it.

Edited by Celtic Warrior, 05 March 2016 - 12:55 PM.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

WrongFloor, on 05 March 2016 - 12:34 PM, said:

Yes because I'm certain PGI is going to refer this to the community and let us play judge and jury. They have no reason to provide their logs. By signing up for the game you agree to let them moderate the game for you.

As stated, my unit has never "mass reported" anyone as we don't want to get banned for improperly using in game tools. Grow a brain people; if they were banned it was probably because they deserved it.

I actually don't mind playing against these guys and have never reported them for anything but if you're going to be a jerk in all chat I'm assuming it will eventually catch up to you.

[MischiefSC]

Blueduck, on 05 March 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:

Except you don't know what they were banned for do you? People assumed they were mass reported by my unit as that is the line of BS NKVA is spouting out so as usual they can ignore taking any responsibility for they probably were banned. In reality, they would have no way of knowing who reported them.

If they were banned it was probably because they were bother people in game like they always do. You bump into these guys randomly in pug games and they are always being rude to people.

Except, again, being rude isn't bannable. When being rude is bannable you've got a pretty horrible game environment. Also you're rude on the forums sometimes or in game. People are rude pretty often in pug matches. They don't get banned. NKVA gets banned because there's a specific group of people they poke who are quick to report on forums and in game.

Because rude /= toxic. I covered that above.

[Celtic Warrior]

MischiefSC, on 05 March 2016 - 12:58 PM, said:

Except, again, being rude isn't bannable. When being rude is bannable you've got a pretty horrible game environment. Also you're rude on the forums sometimes or in game. People are rude pretty often in pug matches. They don't get banned. NKVA gets banned because there's a specific group of people they poke who are quick to report on forums and in game.

Because rude /= toxic. I covered that above.

Making death threats are bannable and that's what was done.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

MischiefSC, on 05 March 2016 - 12:58 PM, said:

Except, again, being rude isn't bannable. When being rude is bannable you've got a pretty horrible game environment. Also you're rude on the forums sometimes or in game. People are rude pretty often in pug matches. They don't get banned. NKVA gets banned because there's a specific group of people they poke who are quick to report on forums and in game.

Because rude /= toxic. I covered that above.

I'm rude when people deserve it. In SWOL our philosophy is to never start something unless someone starts it with us.

They weren't banned for having an in game rage moment, they were likely banned for making comment like we're not going to be happy until there is a dead member of SWOL hung from every light post. This was a bit extreme but obviously goes well over "being rude" and anyone who plays against these guys will tell you they make nasty comments constantly.

I know you are buds with these guys and have defended them before but the bottom line is that they were banned before for harassing people and being jerks so what is so hard to believe they did something again to deserve.

I could careless one way or another if they were banned or not banned. My only point is stop making baseless accusations when none of you have any details as to what actually went into PGI's decision other than the fact spamming the report button is punishable and unlikely to have resulted in anyone being banned.

Edited by Blueduck, 05 March 2016 - 01:06 PM.

[nehebkau]

Ok I am still smirking.

Didn't warn NKVA a while ago about getting carried away?

[Chef Kerensky]

Hi, co-unit leader here.

Someone made a joke that was in poor taste (again) and evidently 10 or 11 people got banned for it (again)

That's about the extent of what happened. Scoops was discussing the rest with PGI, but at this point we're not expecting much.

They'll be back in another week and we'll be going 48-7 with SWOL again in no time. Looking forward to seeing you boys in clan wolf again real soon.

edit: Ha ha ha.

Edited by Chef Kerensky, 05 March 2016 - 01:26 PM.

[Cosmonyaa]

Blueduck, on 05 March 2016 - 01:05 PM, said:

They weren't banned for having an in game rage moment, they were likely banned for making comment like we're not going to be happy until there is a dead member of SWOL hung from every light post. This was a bit extreme but obviously goes well over "being rude" and anyone who plays against these guys will tell you they make nasty comments constantly.

I know you are buds with these guys and have defended them before but the bottom line is that they were banned before for harassing people and being jerks so what is so hard to believe they did something again to deserve.

Only one of our players said that, and none of us were surprised or upset he got permabanned for it.. What has us worried is that half our unit was arbitrarily banned with 0 explanation or evidence, including people who didn't have a single strike against them. With most of those players in that match and with SWOL's reputation, it's obvious what happened.

[Celtic Warrior]

Cosmonyaa, on 05 March 2016 - 01:27 PM, said:

Only one of our players said that, and none of us were surprised or upset he got permabanned for it.. What has us worried is that half our unit was arbitrarily banned with 0 explanation or evidence, including people who didn't have a single strike against them. With most of those players in that match and with SWOL's reputation, it's obvious what happened.

Guilty by association, that sucks but with your reputation being as bad as it is I guess PGI just made a judgement call.

[MischiefSC]

Celtic Warrior, on 05 March 2016 - 01:03 PM, said:

Making death threats are bannable and that's what was done.

All 9 did or just one?

Lets make this clear. I've reported NKVA forum posts before. No issue with reporting reportable stuff. Being rude isn't reportable.

In the previous pages of responses there are rude and insulting comments about NKVA. Do I report them all?

When "this guy was mean to me" becomes bannable in the same context of "this guy threatened me/used racial slurs" I have a problem.

99% of the issue with NKVA is "they were rude and disrespectful to me". Trying to get moderation involved over that is more than just cowardly, immature and feeble. It's abusive and it puts the authority behind moderation in to question. That NKVA gets banned without details and that ToS gets changed to have something as stupid as the slang term for "both of" made bannable....

That is a legit issue. It's a problem with how moderation is handled and it's contemptible behavior from the community.

[MischiefSC]

Chef Kerensky, on 05 March 2016 - 01:23 PM, said:

Hi, co-unit leader here.

Someone made a joke that was in poor taste (again) and evidently 10 or 11 people got banned for it (again)

That's about the extent of what happened. Scoops was discussing the rest with PGI, but at this point we're not expecting much.

They'll be back in another week and we'll be going 48-7 with SWOL again in no time. Looking forward to seeing you boys in clan wolf again real soon.

edit: Ha ha ha.

Not a laughing matter.

You wasted 7 valuable Kurita mechs? Were they sleeping? Needless eeject to farm XP on a different one? The Coordinator graciously allows you to buy them at full price and you treat his boundless generosity such?

You know what sort of display that is.

[Harvey Batchall Kerensky at Law]

Celtic Warrior, on 05 March 2016 - 01:33 PM, said:

Guilty by association, that sucks but with your reputation being as bad as it is I guess PGI just made a judgement call.

Oh wow, swol member supports banning unrelated unit members for something another person did, color me surprised


"Guilt by association"

Lol

Edited by Harvey Batchall Kerensky at Law, 05 March 2016 - 01:47 PM.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Cosmonyaa, on 05 March 2016 - 01:27 PM, said:

Only one of our players said that, and none of us were surprised or upset he got permabanned for it.. What has us worried is that half our unit was arbitrarily banned with 0 explanation or evidence, including people who didn't have a single strike against them. With most of those players in that match and with SWOL's reputation, it's obvious what happened.

Well, I don't think anyone in our unit wanted anyone banned with the exception of the one player. Actually most of the guys in that game enjoy fighting NKVA as it is always more interesting than a pug stomp. To my knowledge no one in my unit reported anyone except the one player. As I say given some of NKVA's past problems why are people assuming that our reporting that one player had anything to do with anyone else that was banned.

MischiefSC, on 05 March 2016 - 01:38 PM, said:

All 9 did or just one?

Lets make this clear. I've reported NKVA forum posts before. No issue with reporting reportable stuff. Being rude isn't reportable.

In the previous pages of responses there are rude and insulting comments about NKVA. Do I report them all?

When "this guy was mean to me" becomes bannable in the same context of "this guy threatened me/used racial slurs" I have a problem.

99% of the issue with NKVA is "they were rude and disrespectful to me". Trying to get moderation involved over that is more than just cowardly, immature and feeble. It's abusive and it puts the authority behind moderation in to question. That NKVA gets banned without details and that ToS gets changed to have something as stupid as the slang term for "both of" made bannable....

That is a legit issue. It's a problem with how moderation is handled and it's contemptible behavior from the community.

Then go take it up with PGI. All I have told you is that to the best of my understanding the team that had the problem reported the one player directly and that was it; they didn't mass report the whole unit.

If you think PGI is going overboard go talk to them. You're going to have a rough time though as you have no idea as to why they were actually banned and they probably won't tell you.

It is very hard to get any sort of punishment in this game. The only time I have seen PGI act on anything is for racist/hate language or extremely nasty continuous trolling. Go talk to them if you think this is a problem.

Harvey Batchall Kerensky at Law, on 05 March 2016 - 01:47 PM, said:

Oh wow, swol member supports banning unrelated unit members for something another person did, color me surprised


"Guilt by association"

Lol

He is free to his opinion. I don't think Celtic has ever had a game he has enjoyed against NKVA as he doesn't like being taunted and harassed continuously.

Do I share his view? No, but I can understand and as member of this game his is free to act within the TOS as to whatever he sees fit.

[Crockdaddy]

Der Hesse, on 05 March 2016 - 03:35 AM, said:

Some people think that the internet is outside the law.
It´s good to remind those from time to time that it is not.

Yet you routinely violate TOS on this very forum. I can go back and start looking through your multiple whiny name and shame threads if you like.

[mp00]

Players who repeatedly ride the line of the TOS and have been warned or banned should also expect that a heavier and faster hammer to drop on them.

If players were truly banned just for being in the same unit/drop without any comments or actions breaking the TOS... they should be reinstated, compensated and apologized to.

[pbiggz]

Celtic Warrior, on 05 March 2016 - 01:33 PM, said:

Guilty by association, that sucks but with your reputation being as bad as it is I guess PGI just made a judgement call.

Hey one of NKVA's members is also an officer in my unit. Are we now guilty by association and should we all be banned too?

Guilty by association my ***.

Im sorry getting your *** handed to you in a computer game hurts your feeling.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

mp00, on 05 March 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

Players who repeatedly ride the line of the TOS and have been warned or banned should also expect that a heavier and faster hammer to drop on them.

If players were truly banned just for being in the same unit/drop without any comments or actions breaking the TOS... they should be reinstated, compensated and apologized to.

Agreed, but nobody really knows why anyone was exactly banned. If it was guilt by association why not ban all 12?

Perhaps it was because they have had numerous complaints submitted against them? Who knows and who cares. No one in my unit has ever been unjustifiably banned from this game and given our player base size I'd say that is a pretty good endorsement of fair treatment. And some of our guys have occasionally crossed over the line in terms of in game behavior (it happens) without any punishments. It seems that PGI looks for patterns before they do anything.

I just find it amusing that all these doofuses assumed that we were mass reporting anyone and that it would actually make a difference. What was the justification for this? NKVA said so? Reports are anonymous, you have no idea if they would come from us or another unit or some random pug.

pbiggz, on 05 March 2016 - 01:53 PM, said:

Hey one of NKVA's members is also an officer in my unit. Are we now guilty by association and should we all be banned too?

Guilty by association my ***.

Im sorry getting your *** handed to you in a computer game hurts your feeling.

No, he just doesn't like how continuously nasty you are in all chat. Celtic is a really nice guy and doesn't like people who are jerks for no reason.

I personally don't care but you have to figure not everyone in this game is going to let go everything you guys spam in regards to your nastiness.

Edited by Blueduck, 05 March 2016 - 02:00 PM.

[B0oN]

Oh my...have a margarita with extra salt, chill your bases and get back in your mechs guys .

[Crockdaddy]

Blueduck, on 05 March 2016 - 01:59 PM, said:

Agreed, but nobody really knows why anyone was exactly banned. If it was guilt by association why not ban all 12?

Perhaps it was because they have had numerous complaints submitted against them? Who knows and who cares. No one in my unit has ever been unjustifiably banned from this game and given our player base size I'd say that is a pretty good endorsement of fair treatment. And some of our guys have occasionally crossed over the line in terms of in game behavior (it happens) without any punishments. It seems that PGI looks for patterns before they do anything.

I just find it amusing that all these doofuses assumed that we were mass reporting anyone and that it would actually make a difference. What was the justification for this? NKVA said so? Reports are anonymous, you have no idea if they would come from us or another unit or some random pug.



No, he just doesn't like how continuously nasty you are in all chat. Celtic is a really nice guy and doesn't like people who are jerks for no reason.

Reported for calling someone a mean name.

[MischiefSC]

Crockdaddy, on 05 March 2016 - 01:51 PM, said:

Yet you routinely violate TOS on this very forum. I can go back and start looking through your multiple whiny name and shame threads if you like.

Nail on the head. There are multiple insulting posts in this thread.

The problem is that because NKVA pokes a specific, whiney and fragile segment of the games population they are subject to moderation outside the scope of everyone else.

It's not just that it's a questionable practice it's that being a mewling little feeb who cries for mommy to go make the mean bully stop hurting their fee-fees is actually effective, over time, at getting moderation to punish people for behavior that everyone else gets away with.

Edited by MischiefSC, 05 March 2016 - 02:06 PM.