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[Douglas grizzly]

the psr rating system needs to be changed for the tier 5 guys , especially the newer guys. The reason i state that is because newer folks have such a steep learning curve , their rating goes down for a year or more on average. It is decidedly very hard to bring psr up in quick drops due to working with people who think they are a john wayne or audie murphy or they go off and do thier own things. People like that lose most of my matches and make my rating go down even though i am trying to work with the others as a team member. Another reason it needs to change is because it is VERY difficult to get any damage done if your team drops the ball and gets everyone killed because they want to do their own thing, and because of that you almost nerver score enough on a defeat to make your score up or even stay the same.

[GRiPSViGiL]

You really barely even need a pulse (blood flowing in your body not the lazor) to climb tiers.

Here is the recipe:

1. Heavy mech.
2. Decent build.
3. Stay with the death ball.
4. Shoot stuff your aiming at.
5. Profit.

Not much simpler than that.

[El Bandito]

Douglas grizzly, on 08 March 2016 - 10:39 AM, said:

the psr rating system needs to be changed for the tier 5 guys , especially the newer guys. The reason i state that is because newer folks have such a steep learning curve , their rating goes down for a year or more on average. It is decidedly very hard to bring psr up in quick drops due to working with people who think they are a john wayne or audie murphy or they go off and do thier own things. People like that lose most of my matches and make my rating go down even though i am trying to work with the others as a team member. Another reason it needs to change is because it is VERY difficult to get any damage done if your team drops the ball and gets everyone killed because they want to do their own thing, and because of that you almost nerver score enough on a defeat to make your score up or even stay the same.

Get better, pilot Heavies/Assaults to make easier difference, and your PSR will go up. If your team is not winning at least 50% of the time, then you are part of the issue, not just them.

Edited by El Bandito, 08 March 2016 - 10:50 AM.

[Sandpit]

Douglas grizzly, on 08 March 2016 - 10:39 AM, said:

, their rating goes down for a year or more on average.

citation?

I've yet to hear of this being anywhere near an average or normal experience. If they're spending a year or more in that tier, it's because that's where their personal skill level is.

It literally took me less than a day to climb to Tier 4 and another day to hit Tier 3.

[Lugh]

I can't even get my PSR to go down more than a little bit even in a loss, as my damage is routinely > 150. Even in worst case losses where I'm nuked after doing 80 damage in a light it doesn't go down very much if at all because those matches are outliers for me, and others in this community do even better than that on the regular.

You can BUT BUT all you want. But you really need to look in the mirror and figure out what YOU can do better.

If you are having trouble doing that, you need to join a unit with some experience so they can advise you.

[BigBenn]

I vote for the 55 to 70 ton range of mech. Anything bigger is an enemy weapons magnet and anything smaller is not touch enough to take more than a punch or two. Learning the weapons is primary, learning to move, to cover, and to support is secondary, and then armor/twist is tertiary.

Patience is key and patience is virtue. This game is NOT for those who desire instant success. Can't be done.

[Douglas grizzly]

Guys i am doing what you suggested and more. My damage in quickdrops on average >200 and usually closer to 300. I even get at least one to 2 kills per match and my rating still goes down even though i try to work with everyone. The level required to stay the same is 400 plus on a defeat and to advance on a defeat is even higher. So please explain to me how in the heck on defeats you can still go up with the way the system is. As far as going up after a month to a different teir like someone else said , that speaks to me you are either someone who is using a new account to play on a lower level or something less savory.

[Sandpit]

Douglas grizzly, on 08 March 2016 - 11:08 AM, said:

Guys i am doing what you suggested and more. My damage in quickdrops on average >200 and usually closer to 300. I even get at least one to 2 kills per match and my rating still goes down even though i try to work with everyone. The level required to stay the same is 400 plus on a defeat and to advance on a defeat is even higher. So please explain to me how in the heck on defeats you can still go up with the way the system is. As far as going up after a month to a different teir like someone else said , that speaks to me you are either someone who is using a new account to play on a lower level or something less savory.

ok, first thing I wanted to respond to.

Just because someone climbs a tier faster than you doesn't in any way imply they're doing anything other than being better at the game than you are. That may sound harsh, but let's leave the tinfoil to other threads shall we?

Now if you're wanting tips and advice on how to improve most of the people responding to this thread would be happy to do so.
What weight classes do you prefer?
What mechs do you do well in?
What kind of builds are you running?
What roles are you trying to fill for your team?
What weapon systems are you most comfortable with using?

Give us some information about YOU and your play style and we can probably help you out, but we have to have more info to be able to offer you anything more than basic generic tips.

[Remillard]

Just as a datapoint of contrast, I started this in mid January and currently in high Tier 4. OP claimed "average" so perhaps I am on the higher sigma portion of the curve, but in most respects I gotta say that it's absurdly straightforward to claim rating increases.

[Triordinant]

Douglas grizzly, on 08 March 2016 - 10:39 AM, said:

their rating goes down for a year or more on average.

[Chimera_]

While it can be tricky to go up on a defeat, it's not at all to get a neutral result. You go up by doing well enough to only go down in a small percentage of defeats, with the rest not affecting your psr and wins giving you more points to it. If you're going down in most matches, that's likely just you not putting out enough hurt.

What mechs are you using? Heavies are the easiest to increase with, and generally the best in solo queue. I'd stay away from lights and assaults unless you know how to play them, especially since assaults tend to get left behind by the team.

I started it December and I'm halfway through Tier 2. If you're stopping or going backwards, that means you need to change something in order to get better scores.

[Douglas grizzly]

i am using for the most part mechs that are set up as brawlers on cw.
Since its hard to afford anything else i have to work with what i have. Getting in close enough to do damage is very difficult especially when you get targeted a long way out. another thing that would help is to keep the other tiers out of tier 5 groups entirely since they skew the fighting levels way too much.

[Remillard]

Well I believe there's a +1/-1 spread over tiers so you shouldn't be getting very high ranked players in general. For example at 4 I should be seeing players from 5 to 3. That being said there are alt accounts and that sort of thing so there's still a spread of talent.

Community Warfare may not be the best place to work on your PSR rating either as if you are getting stomped by organized groups. Until you are wholly familiar with the machines, staying in the solo or maybe group queue (if you have folks to queue with) might be your best bet.

Brawlers can get a goodly amount of damage but timing the brawl can require patience and it does require a fair amount of face time to get your shots in (in contrast to longer distance sniping and laser trades.). I'd suggest experimenting with a few different styles and weight classes if you haven't already. Maybe brawling is not your best suit?

[Roadkill]

Sandpit, on 08 March 2016 - 10:51 AM, said:

citation?

None needed. It's false.

PSR hasn't even been in use for a year yet, so by definition any average of PSR over time will be less than a year.

Made up statistics are made up.

[Bilbo]

If I can get out of tier 4 with a reasonable quickness, I'd have to say anyone can do it with a little effort. Also, OP mentioned CW and those matches have absolutely zero bearing PSR. It neither takes tier level into account for matchmaking nor does it affect your PSR

[Roadkill]

Douglas grizzly, on 08 March 2016 - 10:39 AM, said:

the psr rating system needs to be changed for the tier 5 guys , especially the newer guys.

You're making a basic assumption that a lot of people make. Unfortunately that assumption is false.

Why do you think that anyone's PSR needs to go up at all?

PSR is not a skill rating. It's a tool used by the matchmaker to help it create more balanced games. If your PSR is not going up, then you're already in the correct tier for the purpose of creating balanced games.

[Evil Rat Bastard]

My only complaint with the psr system is that it can go down when your own teammate kills you. I've only done 66 drops and I'm about 95% through tier 5.

[Sandpit]

Douglas grizzly, on 08 March 2016 - 11:42 AM, said:

i am using for the most part mechs that are set up as brawlers on cw.
Since its hard to afford anything else i have to work with what i have. Getting in close enough to do damage is very difficult especially when you get targeted a long way out. another thing that would help is to keep the other tiers out of tier 5 groups entirely since they skew the fighting levels way too much.

stil not giving us much to go on.

what mechs do you have?

also

Bilbo, on 08 March 2016 - 11:53 AM, said:

If I can get out of tier 4 with a reasonable quickness, I'd have to say anyone can do it with a little effort. Also, OP mentioned CW and those matches have absolutely zero bearing PSR. It neither takes tier level into account for matchmaking nor does it affect your PSR

are you playing CW expecting your PSR to go up?

[Roadkill]

Douglas grizzly, on 08 March 2016 - 11:08 AM, said:

Guys i am doing what you suggested and more. My damage in quickdrops on average >200 and usually closer to 300. I even get at least one to 2 kills per match and my rating still goes down even though i try to work with everyone. The level required to stay the same is 400 plus on a defeat and to advance on a defeat is even higher.

Incorrect.

First, damage is only indirectly relevant. What matters is your match score, not your damage. Kills and assists are basically irrelevant.

Second, the match score required to stay the same in a loss is only 250, not 400. And in a win it is zero. You only need a match score of 400+ for your PSR to increase in a loss, not to stay the same. But it doesn't need to increase in a loss to go up over time anyway.

If you regularly score 250+ match score, then your PSR will go up over time. Because in a loss it is staying the same, and in a win it is going up a moderate amount. But it goes up very slowly in this situation - on the order of hundreds of games to increase a full tier.

Odds are that things are working correctly for you. You're just too impatient and falsely believe that your PSR needs to increase for some reason. It doesn't... just play the matches and have a good time.

Edited by Roadkill, 08 March 2016 - 12:03 PM.

[Tanil Kane]

Raising your PSR doing pug drops in quick play is all about your mech and build. You have to run something that will consistently put out high damage.

If you can average 500 dmg a match, with a 50/50 win/loss ratio you will consistently and steadily move up.

You can load up the trial KGC and dakka your way out of T5 really quick. If you try the same in a Panther running a single ERPCC you'll likely never move up.