Archer Quirks: Underwhelming To Outright Puzzling?
#21
Posted 10 March 2016 - 07:18 PM
The missile bay doors may lower Side torso damage and/or have their own hp.
If they can get blown off while the torso is CLOSED thats extra HP right there.
#22
Posted 10 March 2016 - 07:21 PM
Nightshade24, on 10 March 2016 - 07:17 PM, said:
However I should remind you quirks from release are rarely given out. Look at the Resistance 1 and 2 mechs, nearly quirkless at the get go.
Look at clan wave 2, 3, Origins, etc. not even a single quirk even though arguably 50-80% of those mechs are far from competitive (highlander IIC, Orion IIC, Mist lynx, nova, gargoyle, executioner, summoner, ice ferret, etc...). Why? To let the mech settle in the game a bit, No point giving it great armour quirks if the damage model hitboxes itself is broken from the get go (the quirks could mask, confuse, or be completely worthless. for eg having a massive centre torso and getting side torso armour quirks). It's to let them fight each other and point out obvious weaknesses, strengths, and ideas on how to balance a certain quirk.
We do not see any ST armour or structure buffs because of reasons mentioned above- but also could be the fact that it has missile doors on the ST which already reduce damage by what... 10%? Which can be considered better than an armour buff.
For weapons- it's typical. Effectiveness of LRM's are hard to quirk without making everything else UP in comparison. I am pretty sure the best LRM quirks are only 10-15% range at max. (could be wrong).
My thoughts is it's just taking it easy as usual and further changes will happen down the line.
yeah, like 50% PPC quirked warhammers and marauders, +23 CT mad-3r, etc.....
Yup, no massive quirks there. Also totally misreading the intent of the OP, but getting used to that in general. As said, I am not raging, nor asking for some massive Quirks, or anything really. I do find the ones chosen largely odd.
Sader325, on 10 March 2016 - 07:18 PM, said:
The missile bay doors may lower Side torso damage and/or have their own hp.
If they can get blown off while the torso is CLOSED thats extra HP right there.
Yes, that has already been mentioned and discussed by at least 3 of us.
#23
Posted 10 March 2016 - 07:29 PM
#24
Posted 10 March 2016 - 07:30 PM
Moar lurm hatred I guess.
But still it's an Archer gonna see what I can do with it.
I demand equality for Lurm boat pilots!
#25
Posted 10 March 2016 - 07:35 PM
Bishop Steiner, on 10 March 2016 - 07:21 PM, said:
Yup, no massive quirks there. Also totally misreading the intent of the OP, but getting used to that in general. As said, I am not raging, nor asking for some massive Quirks, or anything really. I do find the ones chosen largely odd.
Yes, that has already been mentioned and discussed by at least 3 of us.
No one mentioned the potential for them to be destroyed while the doors are closed.
#26
Posted 10 March 2016 - 07:51 PM
Bishop Steiner, on 10 March 2016 - 07:21 PM, said:
Yup, no massive quirks there. Also totally misreading the intent of the OP, but getting used to that in general. As said, I am not raging, nor asking for some massive Quirks, or anything really. I do find the ones chosen largely odd.
Haven't noticed anything major for the marauders at least at release and to be quite frank I just looked over the war hammer (if it has 50% quirks I find it funny there isn't much more warhammers in the cue... )
#27
Posted 10 March 2016 - 07:52 PM
They should make an event. Archer Annihilation. Have only archers be allowed to do this event. See who brings the rain or who brings the pain haha
#28
Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:00 PM
Nightshade24, on 10 March 2016 - 07:51 PM, said:
then you need to read the quirks pages.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...avy_innersphere
and yes, those are the ones they had upon release
#29
Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:00 PM
#30
Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:01 PM
YaKillinMeSmalls, on 10 March 2016 - 08:00 PM, said:
I'm suspecting that this affair involved the usage of darts and boards, rather than a discovery of the Archer being super duper meta.
#31
Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:02 PM
YaKillinMeSmalls, on 10 March 2016 - 08:00 PM, said:
That would be delightful.
DOubtful, but delightful unless there was a sudden shift to a missile Meta I missed. And, again, not the point. Not campaigning for crazy quirk boosts anywhere in the OP. Actualyl not campaigning for anything. Again, noting that I find the ones posted, very odd.
Period.
#32
Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:07 PM
Bishop Steiner, on 10 March 2016 - 08:02 PM, said:
Well, there actually has in fact been a shift towards SRMs somewhat recently. They haven't taken over but they're on the list of guns that hurt people effectively now.
I don't think that would be enough to push the Archer into metaland, but whatever.
#33
Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:10 PM
FupDup, on 10 March 2016 - 08:07 PM, said:
I don't think that would be enough to push the Archer into metaland, but whatever.
I think PGI is deliberately attempting to sabotage any possibility of the feared... LRMPOCALYPSE!!!
#34
Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:10 PM
DEAL WITH IT!!!
Me, I'm happy with that and can't wait to try them out... and yes I admit, I'm building one with SRM's too.. but I'm fine with how it is.
#35
Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:12 PM
FupDup, on 10 March 2016 - 08:07 PM, said:
I don't think that would be enough to push the Archer into metaland, but whatever.
not with those Mad Dog loving STs and a Dragon's CT. No. And it's still sniffing hind teat to laser vomit and vomit hybrids.
Nyte Kitsune, on 10 March 2016 - 08:10 PM, said:
DEAL WITH IT!!!
Me, I'm happy with that and can't wait to try them out... and yes I admit, I'm building one with SRM's too.. but I'm fine with how it is.
yup, cuz making SRM boats is exactly what the OP was talking about, ayup........
*here's your sign*
#36
Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:14 PM
#37
Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:17 PM
#38
Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:20 PM
#39
Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:21 PM
#40
Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:25 PM
Vickinator, on 10 March 2016 - 08:21 PM, said:
And when it DOESN'T have comparable uberquirks to other mechs of equivalent tonnage? There's a problem. PGI is, unfortunately for them, in a difficult positon. I personally find these quirks to be incredibly lackluster. They could've at least given us either additional structure or general missile CD or heat reduction quirks.
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