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[QuantumButler]

Wow how bad do you have to be if you can't do well with literal hitscan guns?

[mogs01gt]

DavidStarr, on 17 March 2016 - 04:44 AM, said:

It's not that much different from mine - slightly faster and 1 more heatsink, but I don't imagine that heatsink saving me, esp. since there's lots more lasers now. 3 LPLs was more than enough to overheat ultra fast with 18 heatsinks. So this is a one-volley loadout? Fire once - almost overheat - hide to cool off?

Its not just one more DHS, its one more DHS in the engine's slot. The bigger engine allows for better twisting and keeping up with the team. No matter the build, Stalkers tend to run hot without energy heat quirks. That is why the 4n is better at using Laser, which is what most people use for meta stalkers.

I've I had a 5s, I'd run it like this and chain fire those 10s
STK-5S

Edited by mogs01gt, 17 March 2016 - 06:03 AM.

[LordNothing]

Oderint dum Metuant, on 17 March 2016 - 02:25 AM, said:

And it's a system being developed by PGI, which inherrently means it'll need at least 4 patch cycles to be workable.

and then it wont work. it will take an additional 4 cycles of failed bug fixing before they decide to revert back to the old system.

[TKSax]

Lugh, on 17 March 2016 - 04:48 AM, said:

All because the laser focused Underhive CRIED AND CRIED AND CRIED that PPFLD was not Fair, until they nerfed PPCs, Gauss and JJs into oblivion to kill the evil pop tart metagame.

The one that was easily defeated by any AC/ SRM combo brawler.... BUT IT WAS TOO HARD ---WHINE!

I WANT MY LASERS TO MATTER. WAHHHHHH!!

Cabusha, on 17 March 2016 - 05:05 AM, said:

You're forgetting that the PPC GAUSS meta had as good DPM as the brawling builds, so they could brawl just fine and put out hurt to 600meters. Of course rather than addressing this, we got jump jet needs and other crap.

Lugh, on 17 March 2016 - 05:12 AM, said:

Most of the tarts couldn't brawl. They panicked and overheated and became easy kills. The good ones, COULD brawl, but those were far rarer.

So rare, I never found the pop tart era to be bothersome.

But you are also forgetting that SRM hit reg was ****, so it was a complete a total crap shot that once you closed range if you would be able to do enough damage to take them out before they got you.

[Death Proof]

Lasers make excellent primary weapons. Not sure what you're smoking OP. lol

In fact, LPL are one of my favorite primary weapons in the game...simply because you don't have to boat the **** out of them to get good results with their quick burn-time and high damage.

[QuantumButler]

TKSax, on 17 March 2016 - 06:05 AM, said:

But you are also forgetting that SRM hit reg was ****, so it was a complete a total crap shot that once you closed range if you would be able to do enough damage to take them out before they got you.

The poptart pinpoint front loaded damage meta was the most boring **** ever, it ruined multiplayer in mechwarrior 4 and made me quit mwo for entirely the months it reigned.

[TKSax]

QuantumButler, on 17 March 2016 - 06:07 AM, said:

The poptart pinpoint front loaded damage meta was the most boring **** ever, it ruined multiplayer in mechwarrior 4 and made me quit mwo for entirely the months it reigned.

I enjoyed it, there was defiantly required a certain amount of skill to hit a moving target with PPC/Guass or PPC/AC5 while you are moving and jumping at the same time. Much more skill than the current Laser Vomit meta does. The biggest issue with the PopTart era was that it was too dominant. Like I said Laser's were subpar at the time, Hit Reg was crap with SRM's so there was no real hard counter to good players even once you closed. OF coure the problem is now PGI and good part of the player base is completely against having Jump Sniping being viable except on a few sub par mechs (Vindicator, Nova...)

[mogs01gt]

Death Proof, on 17 March 2016 - 06:06 AM, said:

Lasers make excellent primary weapons. Not sure what you're smoking OP. lol

From the builds he posted, he is simply using the wrong equipment on his mechs. Plus the 5s doesnt run meta builds as well as the N.

QuantumButler, on 17 March 2016 - 06:07 AM, said:

The poptart pinpoint front loaded damage meta was the most boring **** ever, it ruined multiplayer in mechwarrior 4 and made me quit mwo for entirely the months it reigned.

I loved the poptart meta! It allowed brawlers to wreck the poptarts. Now that lases are so powerful, they function at all ranges.

Edited by mogs01gt, 17 March 2016 - 06:14 AM.

[QuantumButler]

mogs01gt, on 17 March 2016 - 06:12 AM, said:

From the builds he posted, he is simply using the wrong equipment on his mechs. Plus the 5s doesnt run meta builds as well as the N.


I loved the poptart meta! It allowed brawlers to wreck the poptarts. Now that lases are so powerful, they function at all ranges.

No it didn't, lasers and srms had awful hitreg at the time if you dared to have anywhere over 100 ping.

[Mole]

I was doing laservomit before it was cool, with the occasional PPC thrown in. It concerns me that laser vomit has become the new meta. PGI is not known for being tactful in their nerfs and everything that has been meta for a time in the past got nerfhammered to a point of near uselessness. If they can find a way to bring the meta away from lasers without totally breaking lasers then fine. But I have no faith in PGIs ability to come up with a reasonable solution, and please, we all know they completely ignore good community ideas and come up with their own shotgun solutions to sniper rifle problems.

Edited by Mole, 17 March 2016 - 06:27 AM.

[mogs01gt]

QuantumButler, on 17 March 2016 - 06:17 AM, said:

No it didn't, lasers and srms had awful hitreg at the time if you dared to have anywhere over 100 ping.

My ping is below 100ms and I used ballistics a lot during that time.

[QuantumButler]

mogs01gt, on 17 March 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

My ping is below 100ms and I used ballistics a lot during that time.

Which is half of why the poptart meta was popular, because projectile weapons [gauss, ppcs, acs] were the only ones that would reliably do damage if the weapon appeared to connect to a target, even if you had ungodly 300+ Australian ping.

[mogs01gt]

QuantumButler, on 17 March 2016 - 06:28 AM, said:

Which is half of why the poptart meta was popular, because projectile weapons [gauss, ppcs, acs] were the only ones that would reliably do damage if the weapon appeared to connect to a target, even if you had ungodly 300+ Australian ping.

So what is your point?

[Metus regem]

QuantumButler, on 17 March 2016 - 05:34 AM, said:

Wow how bad do you have to be if you can't do well with literal hitscan guns?

When I say "I do poorly with laser vomit", I mean that I get outside of my efficiency zone of 100-150 damage/kill, as I find the burn time detrimental to my preferred play style.