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pbiggz, on 10 April 2016 - 07:46 PM, said:

Why is mektek a disease? They kept mechwarrior at least somewhat relevant for the better part of a decade.

The mektek disease to which I am referring, is making their creations often significantly better than the lore or vanilla mechs. Just wanted to clarify that, between scaling and torso blocking special sections (like chin racks), there often many mechs they created that were waves above some of the other stuff.

Sorry, I'm a couple pages behind on the discussion, but like I said, wanted to clarify some things.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 10 April 2016 - 09:52 PM.

[ShadowWolf Kell]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 10 April 2016 - 09:51 PM, said:

The mektek disease to which I am referring, is making their creations often significantly better than the lore or vanilla mechs. Just wanted to clarify that, between scaling and torso blocking special sections (like chin racks), there often many mechs they created that were waves above some of the other stuff.

Sorry, I'm a couple pages behind on the discussion, but like I said, wanted to clarify some things.

Two of my close friends were MekTek founders and left over that. They wanted to stick with authenticity and others wanted to "improve" beyond rationalization. Sadly, neither played BattleTech games anymore.

[LastKhan]

ShadowWolf Kell, on 10 April 2016 - 09:53 PM, said:

Two of my close friends were MekTek founders and left over that. They wanted to stick with authenticity and others wanted to "improve" beyond rationalization. Sadly, neither played BattleTech games anymore.

I actually remembered that back when i was in highschool chilling in mektek net. well that event or maybe im thinking of something else probably.

Edited by LastKhan, 10 April 2016 - 09:59 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Imperius, on 10 April 2016 - 09:15 PM, said:

Yes because the next 3 clan mechs have everything to do with HBS game that is set in 3025 where you and many of the other older players seem to belong.

Yes because they can completely ignore half the playerbase...oh yeah..they have to do both.

Start printing 3067 Mechs for IS on top of clans, there's nothing for HBS. Dunno why I bother.... it's not for you.. you'll argue the sky is pink just because you're salty over the current state of the mkII.

ShadowWolf Kell, on 10 April 2016 - 09:53 PM, said:

Two of my close friends were MekTek founders and left over that. They wanted to stick with authenticity and others wanted to "improve" beyond rationalization. Sadly, neither played BattleTech games anymore.

like flying Light Mechs shooting Dropships....

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Bishop Steiner, on 10 April 2016 - 10:03 PM, said:

It's too bad directional jump jets were never released, would've been interesting if they weren't allowed to just fly with the dropships.

[EGG]

Gib Bane, gib Stone Rhino

Also gib Goliath made from two Cicadas stuck together.

[Metus regem]

ShadowWolf Kell, on 10 April 2016 - 08:31 PM, said:

Part of why PGI's sales fail is because they do the opposite of what Cryptic does with Star Trek Online. They offer up these mediocre incentives but hide what everyone's truly interested in. Quirks and the like.

STO discloses all the bells and whistles because that's their business strategy. It's also why so many have to immediately go and buy all said goodies rather than spend in game resources to get the stuff without spending a dime. It works, especially on their big ship packs.

It doesn't work so well in MWO because there's really no incentive for most people to get something, and they know quirks will get revamped several times anyway. As always, PGI is their own worst enemy and ridiculously short sighted. But hey, we have CW mk3 coming. Maybe the third time's the charm and people will buy more mech packs!

One of the things that they do that I really like, is a discount for early adopters for the new ships....

[Imperius]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 April 2016 - 10:03 PM, said:

Yes because they can completely ignore half the playerbase...oh yeah..they have to do both.

Start printing 3067 Mechs for IS on top of clans, there's nothing for HBS. Dunno why I bother.... it's not for you.. you'll argue the sky is pink just because you're salty over the current state of the mkII.


like flying Light Mechs shooting Dropships....

HBS, is not going to have a huge mech roster, you're the one who tried to say they aren't going to make the extra side cash "that you actually have no idea about" if they do clan mechs from 3067. My point that you seemed to skip over was that NONE of the clan mechs in MWO will be in the HBS game 3051-3200. As for a timeline jump clans don't have much to choose from even Russ said that, he said there were no Assaults he was happy with in the current bottom barrel timeframe that he scraping the last pike of junk out of.

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Imperius, on 11 April 2016 - 02:37 AM, said:

were no Assaults he was happy with in the current bottom barrel timeframe that he scraping the last pike of junk out of.

I'm pretty sure he meant Omni Assaults, because there are quite a few solid Clan assaults that I would pay for.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 11 April 2016 - 06:34 AM.

[Imperius]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 11 April 2016 - 06:34 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure he meant Omni Assaults, because there are quite a few solid Clan assaults that I would pay for.

Dunno since he's always speaking in code... I'm sure if he does decide to release a battle mech assault it will be the Mad Cat MK II. I think this junky omni mech set that few seem to actually want is the mechs he wanted to get through first.

[Metus regem]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 11 April 2016 - 06:34 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure he meant Omni Assaults, because there are quite a few solid Clan assaults that I would pay for.

Phoenix Hawk IIC
Warhammer IIC (a bigger better Warhammer with Clan tech!)
Marauder IIC (meta death incarnate)
Super Nova
Bane
Stone Rhino
Imp
Annihilator

Those are the ones that come time mind at this time frame....

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Metus regem, on 11 April 2016 - 07:03 AM, said:

Phoenix Hawk IIC
Warhammer IIC (a bigger better Warhammer with Clan tech!)
Marauder IIC (meta death incarnate)
Super Nova
Bane
Stone Rhino

Pretty much all but the Super Nova would be solid.

Metus regem, on 11 April 2016 - 07:03 AM, said:

Imp
Annihilator

These are like the Wolfhound IIC if I recall correctly, one offs that were used solely by Wolf's Dragoons, I wouldn't expect them anytime soon, especially without their IS counterparts.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 11 April 2016 - 07:10 AM.

[Metus regem]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 11 April 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:

Pretty much all but the Super Nova would be solid.


These are like the Wolfhound IIC if I recall correctly, one offs that were used solely by Wolf's Dragoons, I wouldn't expect them anytime soon, especially without their IS counterparts.

Actually when the Dragoons showed up, they nearly blew their cover beacuse they had the Imp and Annihilator, those mechs were more or less extinct in the IS.

Taken right from the Annihilator's entry:

"...in one of their few missteps, the Wolf's Dragoons brought a number of designs with them in 3009, raising more questions to their origins while at the same time adding to their mystique. It was exclusive to the Dragoons until the Jihad..."

source:
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Annihilator


For the Imp:

"The first original BattleMech produced by Clan Wolf, ^[3] the Imp was first seen by the Inner Sphere in the ranks of Wolf's Dragoons."

That is the opening line of the entry for the unit.

Source:
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Imp

Edited by Metus regem, 11 April 2016 - 07:17 AM.

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Metus regem, on 11 April 2016 - 07:15 AM, said:

Actually when the Dragoons showed up, they nearly blew their cover beacuse they had the Imp and Annihilator, those mechs were more or less extinct in the IS.

Still, I wouldn't expect them to be added for Clans considering the history behind the Clan version of both. Neither were actually IICs, but C versions of the IS chassis, which is a little bit different. Arguing semantics with this, but meh.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 11 April 2016 - 07:19 AM.

[Metus regem]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 11 April 2016 - 07:18 AM, said:

Still, I wouldn't expect them to be added for Clans considering the history behind the Clan version of both. Neither were actually IICs, but C versions of the IS chassis, which is a little bit different. Arguing semantics with this, but meh.

True, but it still would be fun to see them, just assign them to the Clans for CW purposes, or general to everyone.

[Gyrok]

Metus regem, on 11 April 2016 - 07:26 AM, said:

True, but it still would be fun to see them, just assign them to the Clans for CW purposes, or general to everyone.

I do not think we need to see a 100 ton trashcan, we have a 30 tonner already...

[Metus regem]

Gyrok, on 11 April 2016 - 07:32 AM, said:

I do not think we need to see a 100 ton trashcan, we have a 30 tonner already...

And they kick ***!

But seriously, the Imp is a Swiss army knife mech, it would have enough hardpoints to do just about anything at any range, as well as have the tonnage to do it. the Annhilator would be something scarry to bump into for the attackers in CW...

Hell the Annhilator makes it into my top 5 city fighting killers.

1. Demolisher Tank
2. SRM carrier
3. Annhilator
4. Hunchback IIC
5. Hunchback


The Urbanmech makes it to number 6 on that list, so still in the top ten.

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 11 April 2016 - 07:36 AM, said:

And they kick ***!

But seriously, the Imp is a Swiss army knife mech, it would have enough hardpoints to do just about anything at any range, as well as have the tonnage to do it. the Annhilator would be something scarry to bump into for the attackers in CW...

Hell the Annhilator makes it into my top 5 city fighting killers.

1. Demolisher Tank
2. SRM carrier
3. Annhilator
4. Hunchback IIC
5. Hunchback


The Urbanmech makes it to number 6 on that list, so still in the top ten.

Yeah. Annihilator. Cool, though one trick pony TT mech. That without massive changes to their current rules, or a huge engine exemption a la Urbanmech (though far less likely because the ANH actually has firepower) gets stuck with a 240 engine.

Just sayin.

[pbiggz]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 10 April 2016 - 09:51 PM, said:

The mektek disease to which I am referring, is making their creations often significantly better than the lore or vanilla mechs. Just wanted to clarify that, between scaling and torso blocking special sections (like chin racks), there often many mechs they created that were waves above some of the other stuff.

Sorry, I'm a couple pages behind on the discussion, but like I said, wanted to clarify some things.

Why is that bad though? They made the black lanner good. Im entirely in favour of the devs changing a mech if it means making it actually good. I'd love the turkina if it wasn't hot garbage. I'd love the viper too if it wasn't hot garbage. God knows alex made some beautiful art as usual and it makes me WANT to pilot that mech, but the vanilla BT values ruin it as usual. Why is everyone so attached to those numbers? They're at best, useless in a real time game, and at worst, destructive.

[pbiggz]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 April 2016 - 08:43 AM, said:

Yeah. Annihilator. Cool, though one trick pony TT mech. That without massive changes to their current rules, or a huge engine exemption a la Urbanmech (though far less likely because the ANH actually has firepower) gets stuck with a 240 engine.

Just sayin.

Annihilator ain't an omni, you could up its engine in MWO context. That said, there's not much the annihilator can do that the king crab cant, with better hitboxes. The beer belly is the death of the annihilator, and I say that with a heavy heart, remembering how scary that thing was in mechwarrior 3, but then again, lbx autocannons were good in that game, and knockdowns really ****** you up good.