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[AzureHydra]

This is a snippet. I average 900 dmg on my Black Widow, several kills. I think I have a 1.8 KDR with it. My best mech. Why people hate it, I don't know.

[HerrRed]

My favourite one is the 6D. 2 ER PPCs, 2 LL, 2 spl and 2 mgs. It is easy to manage heat and it packs a wollop. The ER ppc works really well due to the lack of min range. The 50% speed bonus is good.

[Dibujor]

HerrRed, on 10 April 2016 - 03:36 AM, said:

My favourite one is the 6D. 2 ER PPCs, 2 LL, 2 spl and 2 mgs. It is easy to manage heat and it packs a wollop. The ER ppc works really well due to the lack of min range. The 50% speed bonus is good.

MG's on the 6D? .....How?

[Richard Hazen]

See I don't think posters are understanding that some will not remove the PPCs, so no matter what you say about it's awesome etc etc, yeah if you remove everything that makes the Warhammer what it is.

Edited by Will Hawker, 10 April 2016 - 07:49 AM.

[Roadkill]

Afuldan McKronik, on 09 April 2016 - 01:20 PM, said:

X2 uac5 x2 LL x2 ML for me on the Widow. Can also be done on the 6R, just without the sweet hero bonus.

Black Widow was made for 4 x AC/5. I average just over 550 damage/match using this build (torso armor not correct):

DAKKA WIDOW

Will Hawker, on 10 April 2016 - 07:48 AM, said:

See I don't think posters are understanding that some will not remove the PPCs, so no matter what you say about it's awesome etc etc, yeah if you remove everything that makes the Warhammer what it is.

You mean like all those laser/SRM Archers running around these days?

[Roadkill]

AzureHydra, on 09 April 2016 - 11:49 PM, said:

This is a snippet. I average 900 dmg on my Black Widow, several kills. I think I have a 1.8 KDR with it. My best mech. Why people hate it, I don't know.

According to those stats you average 640 damage.

I'm averaging just under 2 kills per match in mine with a KDR of 2.75 through 90 matches. That's really good for me (my overall KDR is 1.55). My W/L in it is also higher than normal ~1.5 vs 1.11 overall.

It's a good Mech.

[HerrRed]

Dibujor, on 10 April 2016 - 06:58 AM, said:

MG's on the 6D? .....How?

Obviously I meant the 6R.

[S 0 L E N Y A]

The Warhammer is the biggest POS in the game hands down.
I will not stop QQing until PGI buffs the crap out of it.
Please scale it down to approx urbie size and increase structure quirks by at least 400 percent.
Otherwise I am demanding a refund (despite having mastered all 4 within a week of release)

Who is with me?

[Afuldan McKronik]

Roadkill, on 10 April 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:

Black Widow was made for 4 x AC/5. I average just over 550 damage/match using this build (torso armor not correct):

DAKKA WIDOW


You mean like all those laser/SRM Archers running around these days?

4ac5 doesnt have enough ammo for me. I don't know how you youngin's post SS but this is taken straight from my stat page. I havent changed the loadout since I got the Widow.

20 matches 10 win 10 loss 1.00 W/L 40 kills 12 deaths 3.33 KDR 13299 damage 29945 xp.

This is a beast build.

[Roadkill]

Afuldan McKronik, on 10 April 2016 - 01:09 PM, said:

4ac5 doesnt have enough ammo for me. I don't know how you youngin's post SS but this is taken straight from my stat page. I havent changed the loadout since I got the Widow.

20 matches 10 win 10 loss 1.00 W/L 40 kills 12 deaths 3.33 KDR 13299 damage 29945 xp.

This is a beast build.

I didn't think 9 tons of ammo would be enough, either, but it turns out it is. Yeah, I run out occasionally, possibly as often as 10% of games, but if you have a properly tuned ammo-based build you should run out of ammo occasionally. If you're not running out of ammo, then you're carrying too much and wasting tonnage. 9 tons is 1350 damage potential, and if you're doing 1350 FLD damage there better be a whole lot of dead enemy mechs piled up around you.

Besides, your team should be winning if you actually run out. Unless you're a really bad shot.

[Afuldan McKronik]

To each their own. YMMV.

[Escef]

Roadkill, on 10 April 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

I didn't think 9 tons of ammo would be enough, either, but it turns out it is. Yeah, I run out occasionally, possibly as often as 10% of games, but if you have a properly tuned ammo-based build you should run out of ammo occasionally.

The general rule of thumb I use is 2 tons ammo per AC2 or 5, 1.5 to 2 tons per AC10, 3 or 4 tons per AC20, and 2 to 3 tons per Gauss. Generally want to go a little higher if the mech has few other damage sources, and maybe a little extra if you have 2 or more... I'd think 9 tons of ammo for 4xAC5 would be really tight, but if you're making it work, well, results speak loudly.

[Clanner Scum]

Maybe it's you? I roll face with my Warhammer.

One of my fits is 2 ppc, 2 medium lasers and an autocannon 20. All in the torsos.

The ppcs are great for poking and I try to stay at poking range but if something happens to close I'll eat'em alive with my AC20 and lasers. It's essentially a hunchback4g with the added benefit of 2 ppcs and ALOT more armor.

I think it's just you man, maybe you're playing against newbies or something I don't know. I do very well with my warhammer.

Edited by Clanner Scum, 10 April 2016 - 09:32 PM.

[Nyte Kitsune]

Op, you hit the nail on the head. The Warhammer, like any other mech will perform well or poorly depending on the individual pilot. Regardless of build I find that I tend to do well in many mechs that others don't like.

[Bud Crue]

Only Hammer I have trouble with is the 6R which I run as a sort of "what a WarHammer is supposed to be according to me" build wherein the PPCs are in the arms, 4sl, 2mg, and an SRM6. Low mount PPC plus too many different weapons for my abilities make it a hard mech for me to play and have any sort of consistency in (Did the challenge with this and it wasn't easy I will tell you...but boy I did some SERIOUS damage to hills and other obstructions with my PPCs). My other two builds are just stupid. I admit it (not posting them so as to avoid mockery). But even stupid as they are, I like em and they are tough and fun to play. Just a tad too situational. The point however, is that all three of them -regardless of my incompetence at playing or building them- do just fine in game. So if your having real issues with Hammers...

[BigBenn]

I think the -6R needs a change in quirks. The +50% PPC velocity is nice. However, I think PGI needs to do something to keep the -6R the -6R. Meaning, give it a major SRM quirk that can be reckoned with such as +20% range or -25% cool down. Also, change the +20% velocity on the MG's to +50% velocity or better yet +50% range. The PPC's and SRM are what make the -6R what it is. The ML or SL should be tertiary weapons on the -6R, imo. FWIW, I run 2 PPC, quad SL, dual MG, and a SRM6. I have the SRM6 range and PPC cool down mods equipped currently.

I think PGI has gone too far in making quirks "too inclusive". Too many benefits to ALL lasers instead of specific base model equipped lasers. I say only quirk what weapons are on the base model, OR... as done on some models allow for a minor quirk for a class specific weapon (+5% all laser range vs +10 ML range, etc). I put a 300STD engine in so it moved nicely in the mid-upper 70's.

I too am not happy about the arms being so low, I think they could have been mounted up a wee bit and still have stayed true to the original design. I get a bit dismayed like everyone else when it seems I plow dirt with the PPC's more often than other mechs. However, the Warhammer -6R is not a hill humper. It never had been. It is a straight up fighter. FInd the enemy and engage. Fire those PPC's until the ranges are close then switch to the SL, MG, and SRM6 upper cut. Im one of those guys that attempts to use the mechs for what they're good at and I dont have any illusions as to what they are bad at. The -6R is a tough mech, use it as such.

Edited by BigBenn, 11 April 2016 - 05:52 AM.

[Afuldan McKronik]

The 7S is the one I dont get along with.

[Bud Crue]

Afuldan McKronik, on 11 April 2016 - 06:10 AM, said:

The 7S is the one I dont get along with.

Until the Archer came out I ran the 7S with an XL300, 3LRM10+A, 5ML, a Tag, a beagle and a CC. Its a great LRM mech that can defend itself when a light comes a flanking. Since the Archer can do the exact same build...and because it is an Archer, I switched mine out to be a close range brawler. One version of this that I see a lot of people run is a std 300 with 6ML and 3SRM6s or 3SRM4s+A. I've also spectated on a few carrying 3LRM5s with a mix of LPLs and MLs as primary weapons (I assume these are running XLs). I really enjoy this mech for the SRM and laser spam. Doesn't feel like what a Warhammer "should" be, but it works.

[Lugh]

Afuldan McKronik, on 09 April 2016 - 10:55 AM, said:

More than 3 groups plus alpha strike rebound on my keyboard gets me confused badly.

Pebcac.

[Metus regem]

Boogie138, on 10 April 2016 - 12:40 PM, said:

The Warhammer is the biggest POS in the game hands down.
I will not stop QQing until PGI buffs the crap out of it.
Please scale it down to approx urbie size and increase structure quirks by at least 400 percent.
Otherwise I am demanding a refund (despite having mastered all 4 within a week of release)

Who is with me?

edit:

Sorry I missed the tong in cheek of your post the first time around, damn pain killers....

Edited by Metus regem, 11 April 2016 - 07:25 AM.