58 replies to this topic

[Gabbatek]

Just got 3 kills in my atlas and dropped to tier 4. Made me lol

I play bursts of mwo then go to other games then come back.

I'm actually quite skilled and get a few kills mostly every round.


Do tiers actually represent your skill?

[TheCharlatan]

Gabbatek, on 15 April 2016 - 04:17 AM, said:

Do tiers actually represent your skill?

Not really, no.
Don't worry about it, you will slowly rise the more you play just because of the way PSR is implemented in game (AKA experience bar).

[Darian DelFord]

Gabbatek, on 15 April 2016 - 04:17 AM, said:

Do tiers actually represent your skill?

No its just a poor mans XP bar

[Yozzman]

Yes it really works like intended...

[TexAce]

TheCharlatan, on 15 April 2016 - 04:19 AM, said:

Not really, no.
Don't worry about it, you will slowly rise the more you play just because of the way PSR is implemented in game (AKA experience bar).

While yes, its not optimal I gotta say since I came into tier 2 that it behaves more and more like a real PSR. Reason being much more experienced players -> much more precise killing -> less damage needed for kills -> -> much shorter battle times -> less damage possibile to do in losses -> less match score

While you could easily climb on losses in Tier 3 its not so much possible anymore in tier 2 because you just have no time to do all the damage if your team is the losing one.
Yesterday we had a skirmish match on frozen end in 2:50 minutes. Most even on the winning side had match scores of 100-200 except 1-2 guys. Its not uncommon even for me to do 3 kills with 180-250 damage.
You won't raise your PSR on a loss with such kill-to-damage ratios.

Edited by TexAce, 15 April 2016 - 04:33 AM.

[Gabbatek]

and im back in 3 after getting 4 kills and 8 assists.

I guess i went down because occasionally i like to troll

[Felbombling]

It is more-or-less a games played indicator... sort of.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

How much damage did you get for each of those kills anyway?

If you went in and did 3 solo kills and still went down then there might have been a problem.

[LordNothing]

im teetering on the edge of t2 again. its not a good place to be. but because the last event resulted in so many bad games i hope i have fallen back a bit, spared from the bubble up. for awhile anyway.

[Dudeman3k]

Let me put it this way.

Those that say it is an "XP bar" are the kind of guys that play in groups, piggy backing off their team vs. their own skill

the PSR is an individual Skill oriented system in a "team" game. So if you solo exclusively (like myself) you can in-fact claim a bit of skillful play style. Otherwise, you'll just get the "team only" scrubs that cant carry their own weight saying otherwise. (your dropping a tier being the proof)

and even iff you kill 3. You can AFK untill the end of match, pick off the already dmg'd mechs and get 3 kills. Kills don't mean much compared to dmg dealt, contributing to the fight does

Edited by Dudeman3k, 15 April 2016 - 04:31 PM.

[LORD TSARKON]

Gabbatek, on 15 April 2016 - 04:36 AM, said:

and im back in 3 after getting 4 kills and 8 assists.

I guess i went down because occasionally i like to troll

Thats what you get when you put LRMS in an Atlas

[JigglyMoobs]

LordNothing, on 15 April 2016 - 04:19 PM, said:

im teetering on the edge of t2 again. its not a good place to be. but because the last event resulted in so many bad games i hope i have fallen back a bit, spared from the bubble up. for awhile anyway.

You are solid t1 material, will forward a rec to the board.

[Davegt27]

Gabbatek, on 15 April 2016 - 04:17 AM, said:

Just got 3 kills in my atlas and dropped to tier 4. Made me lol

I play bursts of mwo then go to other games then come back.

I'm actually quite skilled and get a few kills mostly every round.


Do tiers actually represent your skill?

I suck and I am tier 2

Got .85 Kill to death ratio

Before this system started I wondered if they made these different tier levels
The high tier players won’t have anyone to shoot at

Well I now know move enough under-heave players (aka targets) up and problem is solved

[Vanguard319]

nope, I just hit tier 3 tonight, and it was pretty much an uphill struggle. Tiers are kind of pointless in a game where your ability to work in a team is absolute, especially when the matchmaker is more likely to pair you up with scrubs who can't or won't work together.

[M3 SABLE]

There is one good skill representation aspect in the fact that if your matchscore is high, you go up in "pilot skill rating" regardless if you lose.

It is however not the case for when you win. Your matchscore maybe be abysmal, but if your team wins you get pilot skill rating up easily.

so good players with good damage and matchscores will never drop tiers or go down, even if they lose every single game.

Edited by M3 SABLE, 15 April 2016 - 04:54 PM.

[MechWarrior5152251]

Didn't think it was even possible to drop tiers.

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Gabbatek, on 15 April 2016 - 04:17 AM, said:

Do tiers actually represent your skill?

Tiers represent your ability to generate a high match score consistently.

[JigglyMoobs]

Ex Atlas Overlord, on 15 April 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

Tiers represent your ability to generate a high match score consistently.

Not quite.

Your psr will go up in any game you win.

I am full bar t1. There are games where I make zero bar t5 level mistakes, and get 60 dmg, but my team won. My psr still increases at games end.

On the other hand, if I lose and my psr stays equal, I've probably gotten at least 450 damage and at least 25.% more than anyone else on my team.

If it increases on a lss I've probably did over 700 damage and nearly doubled the next person's score.

So psr rewards games won, and then losses where you do much better than your team.

[Nyte Kitsune]

Nope, sadly Tier seems to be based off team effort and not individual skill. in most cases I tend to break even or lose points for a loss, regardless if I did well or not and only gain for a win. PGI needs to overhaul the Tier system to go up or down for each individual pilot, not "Team" score, as I don't see why many of us should be penalized because we got matched with people who, quite frankly, suck, or just got unlucky and were killed early by light swarms (been there, darned Jenner IIc'c and AC's).

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

JigglyMoobs, on 15 April 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

Your psr will go up in any game you win.

This is a myth, and one that you could easily check for yourself.

It will not go up if you don't get higher than 250 (I think that's it? Maybe it's 150) match score on a win.

JigglyMoobs, on 15 April 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

I am full bar t1. There are games where I make zero bar t5 level mistakes, and get 60 dmg, but my team won. My psr still increases at games end.

1) Me too, like that some how matters.

2) If all you do is 60 damage, and nothing else (no assists, no spotting, etc) you PSR will not go up on a win. That would give you a 30 match score.

JigglyMoobs, on 15 April 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

if I lose and my psr stays equal, I've probably gotten at least 450 damage and at least 25.% more than anyone else on my team.

If it stays equal on a loss, then once again you've gotten 250-450 (I think that's the range) match score. It doesn't matter at all how your team mates did.

JigglyMoobs, on 15 April 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

If it increases on a lss I've probably did over 700 damage and nearly doubled the next person's score.

If it increases then you scored over 450 matchscore on a win.... and I can't remember what it has to be on a loss to go up....maybe 650?

JigglyMoobs, on 15 April 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

So psr rewards games won, and then losses where you do much better than your team.

PSR rewards high match scores, that's it.

If you always get high match scores (450+), it goes up over time regardless of if you won or lost.

If you always get low match scores (250-), it goes down over time regardless of if you won or lost.

It's literally that simple.

Edited by Ex Atlas Overlord, 15 April 2016 - 06:07 PM.