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[Quicksilver Aberration]

wanderer, on 19 April 2016 - 01:02 PM, said:

I do think scouting like this will definitely be favoring medium brawlers.

Anyone who has experience in MRBC where there is a drop that is almost exactly like this, should've known this would be the case. The lower the average tonnage is (meaning the higher the average speed), the harder it is for ranged mechs to keep their range advantage.

[maniacos]

Afuldan McKronik, on 19 April 2016 - 01:02 PM, said:

Well maybe the ones not complaining are taking those strong mediums instead of lights and winning?

So a scout match becomes 4v4 medium skirmish. Makes sense. *ironic nod*

[Afuldan McKronik]

It shouldnt have been made for mediums then. *ironic nod*

[wanderer]

It'd honestly be nice if there were 35T maps to go with the 55T maps for 4v4 mode. The lighter the weight limit, the rougher the terrain.

[maniacos]

Afuldan McKronik, on 19 April 2016 - 01:08 PM, said:

It shouldnt have been made for mediums then. *ironic nod*

You don't say. Ironically all ISvIS scout matches I played actually been somewhat interesting (given the maps been big enough) regardless of winning or losing. Matches ISvClan was just bring your SCrows and shot everyone as quick as possible.

[Afuldan McKronik]

Which we kinda figured would happen as soon as mediums were allowed into scouting. Clans would either take jenner iic for 35 tons or the only 55 tonner we have.

[maniacos]

Well, if they wouldn't allow mediums you would see ACH or Jenners only since all the other Clan lights are more or less BS. Is it even possible to balance a scout match, that deserves it's name, with this assortment? Probably not

Edited by maniacos, 19 April 2016 - 01:22 PM.

[Scout Derek]

I guarantee you a Griffin Vs stormcrow would be fun, considering some variants of the Griffin get considerable structure to them.

[MischiefSC]

Wait, so Clans have an advatage in scouting?

Maybe we should call for all IS players to quit.

Oh, wait. We're not a bunch of mewling *******.

IS doesn't have an advantage in 12 v 12 to any measurable degree. TBR/HBR/EBJ is just as strong if Clans put the same effort into building a deck that running 12 BLKs requires.

[maniacos]

When was the last time you saw 12 BLKs on the field?

[East Indy]

So, Quick Play it is? All right.

[wanderer]

12-man Black Knight drops? FRR Stormtrooper dropdeck in CW.

Edited by wanderer, 19 April 2016 - 02:04 PM.

[sycocys]

TheCharlatan, on 19 April 2016 - 12:48 PM, said:

Hunchie 4SP wants to talk with you...

4SP
4P - 3 LPL + MLs
Griffins
BJ-1X
Yen-Lo
Couple other Centurions will do well
Pulse laser Crabs
Cicada-3M

Just off the top of my head medium mechs that will wreck Crows.

[Khobai]

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Just off the top of my head medium mechs that will wreck Crows.

but its not 1 crow

its 4 crows.

44444444444

assuming equal pilot skill and capable builds, 4 stormcrows will absolutely slaughter any 4 of those other mechs

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Khobai, on 19 April 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

assuming equal pilot skill and capable builds, 4 stormcrows will absolutely slaughter any 4 of those other mechs

Ehhhhhh, GRF-3Ms and 4SPs give these best chance against Skillcrows, maybe SHD-2D2s, but not to sure on that one.

[Jackal Noble]

maniacos, on 19 April 2016 - 01:21 PM, said:

Well, if they wouldn't allow mediums you would see ACH or Jenners only since all the other Clan lights are more or less BS. Is it even possible to balance a scout match, that deserves it's name, with this assortment? Probably not

special order came in just for you, Maniacos

[sycocys]

Khobai, on 19 April 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

but its not 1 crow

its 4 crows.

The good news is there's 4 people on your team too! Also IS mechs will actually be targeting specific locations.

Multiple 4P's for instance - 52 damage alpha, with pinpoint and short durations will decimate streak-crows.

If they split focus to 2x2 they can eliminate 50% of the crows firepower (one st on each) in a touch over 1 mechs alpha round, with a partial from the teammate and have spare damage to push onto the CT or other st of each - 3 coordinated fire cycles could kill the entire lance of crows. 10 seconds of fighting, 4 if you wanted to give the other team some leeway in twisting a little damage away.

Edited by sycocys, 19 April 2016 - 03:05 PM.

[Gyrok]

maniacos, on 19 April 2016 - 12:19 PM, said:

Clan mechs are way too strong on that tonage range. 55 Tons means you meet 3-4 Stormcrow laserboats/streaks or sometimes an Cheeta or Jenner. They shot you into pieces as soon as they see you. What IS scouting mech with an XL engine does match a Stormcrow in that weight class? Also the maps are way too small for real scouting. When I dropped in river city we quickly found the opponend who pushed us, on forest you had to run a little to seek chase other lights which was much more entertaining gameplay. However it's still again just a 4v4 skirmish and when one side is down you wait for the ship, but a greater map really pays when you have lights with speed as you only need one mech remaining who reaches the square in the last second.

You clearly must not be bringing GRF/SHD/WVR or BJs.

If you want to beat a good mech, you cannot bring a potato mech and derp through.

Also, Streaks are weak against bigger mediums.

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 19 April 2016 - 02:44 PM, said:

Ehhhhhh, GRF-3Ms and 4SPs give these best chance against Skillcrows, maybe SHD-2D2s, but not to sure on that one.

2Ns make Streaks a pain because delayed locks with ECM.

maniacos, on 19 April 2016 - 01:50 PM, said:

When was the last time you saw 12 BLKs on the field?

Every time FRR takes the field in Faction Wars?

Where have you been? Look up FRR Stormtroopers on youtube.

[Mechwarrior1441491]

maniacos, on 19 April 2016 - 12:44 PM, said:

However that's not F2P.

And?

[Torric]

I don't think SHDs would generally be a good idea, they pretty much all require XLs since they lack energy hardpoints. And while it is certainly rare, if rng hates you, those streakcrows will actually oneshot you because of XL.

Cannot say much about Griffins, Wolverines, BJs and Crabs, admittedly. Don't own them.

The HBK-4SP is reasonably fast without XL and also keeps half its firepower upon loss of the first sidetorso... but could get outranged by scrows depending on their loadout.

Or maybe a triple-LPL Cent, and pray to the rng gods.