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[Meth0s]

There are some people who seem a little bit confused over what Smoke Jaguar Reborn is. Smoke Jaguar Reborn was formed for a league which had a timeline post-Smoke Jaguar eradication. Thus the 'reborn' part. At this point, it is a team-name (akin to say other team names, such as Evil Geniuses, Fnatic, SK-Gaming, Complexity, etc). We are a highly competitive team, but we also enjoy Btech RolePlay, and thus we partake in some things you won't find in the aformentioned pro gaming organizations.

One thing I've seen from several people (I'm guessing they are new to the community), is this idea that all of a certain faction should just merge together, or they don't understand why there would be more than one team playing under a faction banner. In MW4, there were multiple leagues, and thus multiple teams for each faction (multiple Smoke Jaguars, multiple House Kuritas, multiple Wolf's Dragoons, etc.). No team, and I mean no team, claims any more right to a name than any other. People should feel the freedom to organize as a team, and not feel as if they need to merge into another group, or that some group has more right of ownership over a faction than any other team.

If clans are able to be played by player teams, we will likely transfer over to Smoke Jaguar (so long as you can still be organized as a team). We would then be playing as the 7th Jaguar Dragoons, which is in the Alpha Galaxy. We do realize that some other team might want to play as the 7th Jaguar Dragoons. We perfectly are okay with this, as we do not claim some ownership over the cluster.

Edited by MethosFurey, 08 December 2011 - 04:33 AM.

[Amarus Cameron]

That is a ok with us, as we are Beta Galaxy, 2nd Jaguar Guard, MISTWEAVERS FORWARD!

I think the confusion is that we have been the only Jaguar dedicated unit for so long that people just assume you are with us. That and you have switched your name many times that Jaguars like myself question if you have the resolve needed to be a Jaguar. Changing names is not something we would ever do, we are Jaguars since the beginning and so we shall be until we all fall. All this and the fact that we have been used to being the 'Last Jaguar'.

And about changing names, what makes you want to be Clan Smoke Jaguar again?

This all said, I wish you well in your endeavors and do hope that we both will strengthen the Jaguar.

Edited by Amarus Cameron, 08 December 2011 - 04:50 AM.

[Meth0s]

I know you are in MWLL, but where did you play in MW4? None of your names are familiar to me from competitive MW4. Were you at all in UTS, ADL, War!Online or NBT? If you have not played in a planetary league then perhaps you wouldn't understand the need to change the name your team is playing under. You also then missed out on some of the greatest gaming that ever happened.

For the record, you have not been the only Jaguar dedicated unit. Many leagues though occurred post-Smoke Jaguar existing, thus many had to take on new factions to participate in those leagues.

Edited by MethosFurey, 08 December 2011 - 05:09 AM.

[infi]

lol... why the need to clarify?

Thought clans weren't going to be playable in this still as of yet very much vaporware status game.


but uh yeah...dibs on Ice Hellions

[Amarus Cameron]

You can have the hellions....BLECK!

Methos Furey,

I was unable to play in the MW4 league, but most of my clan did. Palerider, Deathscythe Moon, Shadowhawk Furey, McKennrick Kotare, Firenova, and many others. The Clan has been in existence as a single non changing entity since 2004. And the leagues we played in we have always been Clan Smoke Jaguar, we have never had to change our name. Though sometimes we play in Megamek campaigns as Falcons (them being our closest brothers and sisters) when the campaign is past 3060.

Also from what we have seen we were the only dedicated unit, as in never changing our name. We are dedicated Jaguars. We have played leagues that try to force us to chose another but even in that choice we batchall, we fight, we name ourselves as Jaguars.

All that said, I can understand if you went with the flow, that happens, welcome back to the fold.

[Glory in the Highest]

Clarification does appear to be necessary, Infi <3

Amarus, all Methos is trying to say is that no one is trying to usurp your place. If it serves your higher being to identify as the King Jags, I would never try to take that away from you. But please give us the same courtesy. Respect our history and our identity. We are who we are as much as you are, we have been together as a team for a decade. In a joint decision, we adopted our Smoke Jag name in 2004 as well, and it has served as our backbone unit identity throughout the rest of our history. People go different ways, and it doesn't make them better or worse people, or even in this case better or worse fans. I'm speaking right now as a human being, no role-play, no pretense.

This post was never intended to fall to something as petty as quibbling over planetary league name changes (as all planetary units are aware can happen). It was merely to illustrate we have the right to exist as much as any other team, as well as the right to exist as Smoke Jaguars, because we are meeting resistance to our very existence at every turn.

Edited by glory, 08 December 2011 - 07:46 AM.

[Reykjavik]

I fail to see the point in this dispute. If people get confused then that is a problem of their own (we cannot control how people choose to interpret certain unit tags). Next to everyone in this unit has thorough experience in Mech online gaming as well as a knowledge of the battletech universe for almost a decade (and some of us for more than that). The idea of merging units simply based on a 'common' name is silly. A unit is more than a name, it is a group of people who are like-minded and play well together. SJr has a personality of its own and is definitely not a universal unit that everyone can find a place in.

[Naughtyboy]

hehe...i see a future of endless trials for possession,refusals, will be very intresting to see if Clans are implemented or not

[Alizabeth Aijou]

I want to declare a Trial of Annihilation against these imposters.

[MausGMR]

Bit extreme don't you think, considering they are at least in a unit and you arent?

It makes perfect sense for me for different aspects of SJ to be represented in MWO, afterall if the faction is going to make it in like one of the houses are doing, then it would be silly for it just to be comprised of one group of warriors and thats it. Makes much more sense to unite our strengths as different units within SJ, than fight about who has the 'right' to be the 'real SJ', like such a thing could even exist in a game as large as this will most likely be.

<s> To SJr, if you guys are as professional as you claim, I look forward to working with you.

[Jaroth Corbett]

http://mwomercs.com/...7193#entry47193

Use the name of specific sub-units within Smoke Jaguar.

http://mwomercs.com/...8381#entry48381

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 09 December 2011 - 06:36 AM.

[Dihm]

If they use the model that the Inner Sphere will have for factions, my guess would be that the various SJ units would already be created. Difference between Spheroids and Clanners being that you guys wouldn't have merc options, would have to be Faction players I guess.

Either way, always nice to have more Jags, hope you guys fight with the FRR for now too.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Well the Clan did create the Wolf Dragoons. It would not be a stretch to play as a merc.

[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

If I understand correctly, then there is no reason to argue!
The Smoke Jaguar Reborns will play as the 7th Jaguar Dragoons (Alpha Galaxy) and Clan Smoke Jaguar will play as the Mistweavers (Beta galaxy). Both groups will fight for "the real entire Clan Smoke Jaguar of the BT-universe". In my opinion, it is important that both groups (and all other Smoke Jaguars-groups, no matter which country) act together and pursue the same goals. We're all Jaguars and we will all fight under the flag of the leaping cat. Everyone should represent the entire clan honorable and worthy. There is no reason to discuss about "which group is the real CSJ", cause in the BT-universe, the real CSJ already exists!

Edited by The_Birdeater, 09 December 2011 - 05:32 PM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

What I have been saying all along.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 09 December 2011 - 05:43 PM.

[Glory in the Highest]

100% agree with both of you.

[Dihm]

Jaroth Winson, on 09 December 2011 - 02:06 PM, said:

Well the Clan did create the Wolf Dragoons. It would not be a stretch to play as a merc.

Eh, one unit over the centuries? Doesn't seem like a trend.

They don't have merc units working FOR them, either way.

[Jaroth Corbett]

They did not have Intelligence Agencies either but pretty soon every Clan had a Watch. They were Clan warriors working as mercs.

[Dihm]

Working as mercs for the Sphere, not the Clans. And only a very small number.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Which is what we are doing.