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[DjPush]

IS gets about 2 ECM mechs to every clan ECM. The Cyclops is bringing another to the table. So why is that? Is there something in the lore that keeps clans from having ECM?


Clan ECM:

Myst linx
Kit fox
Arctic Cheetah
Shadow Cat
Hellbringer

IS ECM

Locust
Raven
Spider
Commando
Griffon
Cicada
Cataphract
Archer
Atlas
Cyclops

I feel like I'm missing some...

Anyway, when do the clans get an ECM Assault mech. Preferably one that doesn't suck balls and move like a freight train.



Also... NEED MORE CLAN ASSAULT MECHS!... NEED MORE CLAN MECHS PERIOD!

[Sigilum Sanctum]

3 maybe 4 of those IS mechs are actually relevant.

[Juodas Varnas]

Can we like... Get less ECM in general?

Or like... Rework it entirely, cause it's dumb?

[ScarecrowES]

Well, in fairness though, most IS chassis that get ECM only have it on a single variant of that chassis. And often, that variant is a Hero mech.

However, every Clan chassis that has ECM is an omni, which means every variant a player can create within that chassis has the potential to carry ECM.

On those grounds, ECM saturation is much higher for clan mechs than IS mechs.

[Alan Davion]

DjPush, on 22 April 2016 - 11:38 AM, said:

IS gets about 2 ECM mechs to every clan ECM. The Cyclops is bringing another to the table. So why is that? Is there something in the lore that keeps clans from having ECM?


Clan ECM:

Myst linx
Kit fox
Arctic Cheetah
Shadow Cat
Hellbringer

IS ECM

Locust
Raven
Spider
Commando
Griffon
Cicada
Cataphract
Archer
Atlas
Cyclops

I feel like I'm missing some...

Anyway, when do the clans get an ECM Assault mech. Preferably one that doesn't suck balls and move like a freight train.



Also... NEED MORE CLAN ASSAULT MECHS!... NEED MORE CLAN MECHS PERIOD!

Wasn't part of the whole Clan honor system or something? They looked at ECM as a cowards tool and therefore fewer of their mechs were equipped with ECM, usually only a single scout or a commander in a whole cluster or galaxy or something.

At least from a lore perspective that is.

Sigilum Sanctum, on 22 April 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

3 maybe 4 of those IS mechs are actually relevant.

I take it you're referring to the Commando, Cataphract, possibly the Locust and Spider as well?

[Snowbluff]

ScarecrowES, on 22 April 2016 - 11:48 AM, said:

However, every Clan chassis that has ECM is an omni, which means every variant a player can create within that chassis has the potential to carry ECM.

It usually costs you some hardpoints. ONly Skitties, Kitfoxes, and ArcticCheaters really run ECM. Hellbringer trades too much capacity compared to an Ebon Jag, and the Mist Lynx is terminally unpopular.

To answer the OP's question though, there are just many more IS Mechs than Clan ones. I think it's okay as far as ECM goes... but I wish we had more mechs.

[Gas Guzzler]

The Kingfisher has what you need.

Has more right to ECM than the Cyclops or the Tempest does, and it can bring 61 damage worth of pin point firepower with some high hardpoints.

[DjPush]

ScarecrowES, on 22 April 2016 - 11:48 AM, said:

Well, in fairness though, most IS chassis that get ECM only have it on a single variant of that chassis. And often, that variant is a Hero mech.

However, every Clan chassis that has ECM is an omni, which means every variant a player can create within that chassis has the potential to carry ECM.

On those grounds, ECM saturation is much higher for clan mechs than IS mechs.

Mmmmm... Kind of grasping at straws to prove a point. The Myst Linx and Kit Fox are hardly a presence on the battlefield and the Shadow Cat is niche mech with limited diversity. That leaves 2 viable mechs with ECM. Both of which, for the majority of players, are equiped with a single specific loadout.

Not to mention there is no ECM assault for the clans.

Edited by DjPush, 22 April 2016 - 12:00 PM.

[El Bandito]

DjPush, on 22 April 2016 - 11:38 AM, said:

IS gets about 2 ECM mechs to every clan ECM. The Cyclops is bringing another to the table. So why is that? Is there something in the lore that keeps clans from having ECM?

IS also have 2 chassis to every clan one. So there.

[Alan Davion]

DjPush, on 22 April 2016 - 11:58 AM, said:

Mmmmm... Kind of grasping at straws to prove a point. The Myst Linx and Kit Fox are hardly a presence on the battlefield and the Shadow Cat is niche mech with limited diversity. That leaves 2 viable mechs with ECM. Both of which, for the majority of players, are equiped with a single specific loadout.

Not to mention there is no ECM assault for the clans.

Not yet anyway. There's the Kingfisher and Turkina to be added at some point, and the Dire Wolf C pods, depending on how PGI implements the ATM weapon system.

[Snowbluff]

Alan Davion, on 22 April 2016 - 12:02 PM, said:

Not yet anyway. There's the Kingfisher and Turkina to be added at some point, and the Dire Wolf C pods, depending on how PGI implements the ATM weapon system.

Blech, Kingfisher. I don't trust it and it's 17.5 ton ECM and lack of Bird Head.

The Bounty Hunter Timberwolf (Bounty Hunter ONE!) also has an ECM. Now that would be OP as heck if they added that as the hero mech for timbies.

[ScarecrowES]

Snowbluff, on 22 April 2016 - 11:54 AM, said:

It usually costs you some hardpoints. ONly Skitties, Kitfoxes, and ArcticCheaters really run ECM. Hellbringer trades too much capacity compared to an Ebon Jag, and the Mist Lynx is terminally unpopular.

Whaaaaat? The ECM torso on a HBR gives you 3 energy hardpoints too. If you see a Hellbringer NOT bringing ECM to the fight... I don't even know what to say about that. That mech is tier 2 (used to be tier 1) for a reason. That ECM torso is by far the best pod the HBR gets.

Snowbluff, on 22 April 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

Blech, Kingfisher. I don't trust it and it's 17.5 ton ECM and lack of Bird Head.

The Bounty Hunter Timberwolf (Bounty Hunter ONE!) also has an ECM. Now that would be OP as heck if they added that as the hero mech for timbies.

Truth.

[Alan Davion]

Snowbluff, on 22 April 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

Blech, Kingfisher. I don't trust it and it's 17.5 ton ECM and lack of Bird Head.

The Bounty Hunter Timberwolf (Bounty Hunter ONE!) also has an ECM. Now that would be OP as heck if they added that as the hero mech for timbies.

I don't see how the Bounty Hunter Timby would be OP. 2 Large Pulse, 4 Medium Pulse, that's fairly mediocre compared to most weapon loadouts right now.

The only problem with the Bounty Timby is the "Light" version of the Active Probe it's equipped with, being future tech, it's not available yet.

[Gas Guzzler]

Snowbluff, on 22 April 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

Blech, Kingfisher. I don't trust it and it's 17.5 ton ECM and lack of Bird Head.

The Bounty Hunter Timberwolf (Bounty Hunter ONE!) also has an ECM. Now that would be OP as heck if they added that as the hero mech for timbies.

That just means it has a high probability of receiving quirks. Bird head doesn't matter!

I doubt they will release a pay to play Timber Wolf with ECM... I find it very unlikely.

[Gyrok]

Sigilum Sanctum, on 22 April 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

3 maybe 4 of those IS mechs are actually relevant.

SDR-5D

RVN-3L

CDA-3M

GRF-2N

AS7-D-DC

You could argue the Pirate's Bane as well...but, it is less relevant than those above.

Edited by Gyrok, 22 April 2016 - 12:19 PM.

[Snowbluff]

No! If it has an animal name, it needs an animal head! *foaming at mouth*

ScarecrowES, on 22 April 2016 - 12:09 PM, said:

Whaaaaat? The ECM torso on a HBR gives you 3 energy hardpoints too. If you see a Hellbringer NOT bringing ECM to the fight... I don't even know what to say about that. That mech is tier 2 (used to be tier 1) for a reason. That ECM torso is by far the best pod the HBR gets.

The PIECE OF **** Hellbringer has no endo or ferro. I haven't calculated the weight like I did with the Kingfisher's engine, but it's like 4 tons in addition to the base weight of the ECM.

That said, of course you wouldn't see a hellbringer without ECM. It's basically strictly worse than the Jag, and, if you are playing Mechfashion, it's also nowhere near as good looking. No Tom Hiddleston head, either.

Edited by Snowbluff, 22 April 2016 - 12:20 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Snowbluff, on 22 April 2016 - 12:18 PM, said:

No! If it has an animal name, it needs an animal head! *foaming at mouth*

The PIECE OF **** Hellbringer has no endo or ferro. I haven't calculated the weight like I did with the Kingfisher's engine, but it's like 4 tons in addition to the base weight of the ECM.

That said, of course you wouldn't see a hellbringer without ECM. It's basically strictly worse than the Jag, and, if you are playing Mechfashion, it's also nowhere near as good looking.

This is the second time that you have acted like the Hellbringer wasn't one of the best mechs in the game at one point, despite its chassis restrictions. You are starting to lose credibility in my eyes. The Hellbringer is a solid platform, not as good as it used to be due to Gauss and ER ML nerfs, but its still far from a POS.. Not sure what your rationale for feeling that way is.

I like it more than the Ebon Jag for high level play because its hitboxes are better, and its high hardpoints don't make the mech bigger.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 22 April 2016 - 12:22 PM.

[Gyrok]

Gas Guzzler, on 22 April 2016 - 12:21 PM, said:

This is the second time that you have acted like the Hellbringer wasn't one of the best mechs in the game at one point, despite its chassis restrictions. You are starting to lose credibility in my eyes. The Hellbringer is a solid platform, not as good as it used to be due to Gauss and ER ML nerfs, but its still far from a POS.. Not sure what your rationale for feeling that way is.

I like it more than the Ebon Jag for high level play because its hitboxes are better, and its high hardpoints don't make the mech bigger.

HBR does really need something at the moment...it is just too squishy and the only build that really made it relevant is pretty much on life support...sadly...

[Gas Guzzler]

Gyrok, on 22 April 2016 - 12:18 PM, said:

SDR-5D

RVN-3L

CDA-3M

GRF-2N

AS7-D-DC

You could argue the Pirate's Bane as well...but, it is less relevant than those above.

None of these are really used in competitive play, as non-ECM versions typically have some capability that makes them more worth while.

The GRF-2N is the only one that is sometimes used over the GRF-3M, but I believe most take the 3M over the 2N because of its structure quirks.

That's neither here nor there though, I agree we should have an ECM Clan Assault mech, and I have the perfect candidate

[Aresye]

Sigilum Sanctum, on 22 April 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

3 maybe 4 of those IS mechs are actually relevant.

If we're going to play that game then go ahead and scrap the Mist Lynx and Kit Fox off the Clan list.

IS still has more.