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#1 Avathar

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Posted 02 May 2016 - 01:32 PM

The IS medium mech's such as blackjack and hunchback are so overpowered there is no clan mech wich can stand against them.

I have just looked at a blackjack (in smurphy's mech lab) and the amount of free weight (even after putting on full armour) is astounding. this coupled with an insane amount of free slots make it easy to support an arsenal (WITH insane amounts of heat sinks) which is more suited to a heavy clan mech.
So yeah the game mode is generally broken.

I think it is high time for a resetting in the buffs and nerfs of both clan mechs and is mechs. right now it is reverse lore. the is mechs are vastly superior to clan mechs. why? because of insane free weight and slots (not including the spurious extra structure buffs etc etc etc).

i think a stormcrow should be the equal of a hunchback or blackjack but right now you cant even strip their armour from a bodypart. while they dont even overheat in killing a stormcrow.

#2 Mocosloco

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Posted 02 May 2016 - 02:01 PM

Running the event, I am surprised you didn't mention how easy it is for an AC-20 equipped Centurion or maxed out Griffith to gain speed on us.

I did everything I could and checked lore on why my Nova can't have endo-steel internal structure to be able to at least lumber through a scout mission with a decent amount on an alpha strike (mount one AC20) to take down those heavy hitters. I know the engines are "fixed" for us but wow a full team of max engined IS at 50-55 tons is tough even for a full team of evenly weighted Clanners.

Otherwise only issue I saw with the game mode is clusters of Information points in preset areas, easy for people to find and claim.

#3 Refa

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Posted 02 May 2016 - 05:06 PM

I'm running a SCR-D CSSRMx5.
It's chewing through almost anything that comes at me and my team. I honestly think it needs nerfed, if anything does.

#4 Father Tork

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Posted 03 May 2016 - 04:04 AM

View PostAvathar, on 02 May 2016 - 01:32 PM, said:


i think a stormcrow should be the equal of a hunchback or blackjack


On this I agree

Nerf the Stormcrow so it is remotely comparable to any IS medium

#5 Kurbeks

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Posted 03 May 2016 - 04:09 AM

lol clan crybaby tread looks like again. SCR is best medium in game period

#6 B0oN

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Posted 03 May 2016 - 06:13 AM

View PostKurbeks, on 03 May 2016 - 04:09 AM, said:

lol clan crybaby tread looks like again. SCR is best medium in game period


BlackJack and Griffin (Cent and SHD?^^) sit on its shoulders though ... that´s HOW close it is ^^

#7 Commander A9

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Posted 03 May 2016 - 11:44 AM

Don't go alone.

I've been leading scout teams for days, and we're chewing through AC20 Centurions, splat-Griffins, and other Inner Sphere mechs. With a coordinated team, there's no mech that can stand against you.

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Edited by Commander A9, 03 May 2016 - 11:45 AM.


#8 PFC Carsten

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Posted 03 May 2016 - 12:59 PM

In solo queue, you can usually win the scouting game with a Locust or Spider 5V. Even against Crows.
Oh, wait, there is no longer a solo queue.

Edited by PFC Carsten, 03 May 2016 - 12:59 PM.


#9 Hrett

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Posted 03 May 2016 - 04:12 PM

Maybe I am relatively new, so I dont get the humor around here, but is OP a joke? 'Cause based on my scouting experience, it is...

#10 Donald Trump Kerensky

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Posted 04 May 2016 - 10:38 AM

IS mechs in recon are very clearly unbalanced. The only way to win on the gathering side is to not engage at all, and the only way to win on the protecting side is to use very well coordinated Stormcrows with 5x S-SRM6's.

The IS mechs are all much faster, I can hardly out run them with my lights. They have much better armaments. They have so much more internal structure from quirks it takes longer to bring them down even when they are crippled.

Literally the only thing clans have going for them right now is the Streak Stormcrow, and the IS pilots even want that nerfed.
This game is so backwards to the way it should be, the clan mechs should be vastly superior to inner sphere mechs.

#11 Dee Eight

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Posted 04 May 2016 - 11:03 AM

Shadow cat can reach 129 in sprints. Fast enough for most any IS medium that actually has any firepower. Also IIC mechs can fit the same overrated engines as the IS ones can. While still benefiting from lighter/more compact/higher damage weapons.

Edited by Dee Eight, 04 May 2016 - 11:17 AM.


#12 Clydewinder

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Posted 05 May 2016 - 03:53 PM

View PostDonald Trump Kerensky, on 04 May 2016 - 10:38 AM, said:



The IS mechs are all much faster, I can hardly out run them with my lights.


55 ton Stormcrows roll at 104kph with speed tweak + clan XL + 1/2 weight missiles + 2 crit DHS and 5-7 weapon hardpoints. ( not to mention wonky hitboxes ) What IS mech is comparable to that?

#13 Dee Eight

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 01:30 AM

Pick the right pods and a crow can have 11 energy weapons, or I think its six energy and 3 missile. A common mix is 3xSSRM6 + 6xSPL.

#14 Der Hesse

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:20 AM

View PostDonald Trump Kerensky, on 04 May 2016 - 10:38 AM, said:

IS mechs in recon are very clearly unbalanced. The only way to win on the gathering side is to not engage at all, and the only way to win on the protecting side is to use very well coordinated Stormcrows with 5x S-SRM6's.

The IS mechs are all much faster, I can hardly out run them with my lights. They have much better armaments. They have so much more internal structure from quirks it takes longer to bring them down even when they are crippled.

Literally the only thing clans have going for them right now is the Streak Stormcrow, and the IS pilots even want that nerfed.
This game is so backwards to the way it should be, the clan mechs should be vastly superior to inner sphere mechs.



You Sir are a Trump obviously.

#15 Lily from animove

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 03:16 AM

Oxides and centurions are the worst enemies, hunchies are annoyingly durable, but slow. I would say the oxide is kinda op in comparison to the other things IS can bring. PGI should definately balance a bit more stuff to make more emchs viable in Scouting. But generally it's enjoyable to paly vs IS and seeing so many various mechs.

On clanside, well speed maters in the mode. and this heavily reduces th true choices. What is there a ADR can do, the SCR can't do?
NVA is noive since it can brawl quite good vs meds and lights, but it's gambling becaue its WAY too slow.
The entire Omnimech fixed engine thing really screws over the most light and medium clanners and their usaility in Scouting leaving only a low amount of choices for the clanners.

Also I have huge troubles with the Circadas, they seem to magically soak up a load of damge once their CT goes red. Maybe I need to record it and hae a look if some hitreg magic is going on.

P.S. Streakcrows suck, forced spreaddamage vs IS mediums is a suicide. lern to use srm's correctly they are way more efficient.

Edited by Lily from animove, 06 May 2016 - 03:19 AM.


#16 ImperialKnight

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 07:30 AM

not sure if troll or serious thread.

build a better Stormcrow instead of using crap builds. I have no problems killing BJs and HBKs.

It's the 4x SRM, 2x Flamer GRF-2Ns that you need to watch out for

#17 Commander A9

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 08:11 AM

View PostPFC Carsten, on 03 May 2016 - 12:59 PM, said:

In solo queue...


Stop. Stop. Stop solo-dropping in Faction Warfare-there's your first problem.

Your second problem is thinking that it's a good idea to go one-on-one with the enemy. I've been leading aggressive combat recon for days and I've won almost all my matches.

Your third problem is thinking you have to primarily gather on gather intel missions.

Trust me, visit the MercStar Teamspeak (whenever we get it fixed); www.mercstar.enjin.com

We'll show you how to do it, together, as a team.

Edited by Commander A9, 06 May 2016 - 08:12 AM.






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