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[Sjorpha]

Atlas is high toughness but low or range limited firepower, a dedicated brawler.

There is no good argument why a Kodiak should be able to fill the same role or tank like an Atlas, it does not have the weaknesses of an Atlas so it shouldn't have the strengths either.

Depending on build the kodiak will play much more like a Dire Wolf, Mauler or Banshee than an atlas. Both Dires, Maulers and Banshees are amazing mechs, so there is really nothing to complain about there.

[pacifica812]

What ?

No scale comparison video ????

[EAP10]

Holy crap that mech is big

Maybe the biggest yet

[Rayden Wolf]

Dafuq?!

[Steel Raven]

Wow! We need to see some hit boxes.

[Tarogato]

GreenHell, on 12 May 2016 - 09:27 AM, said:

You can't replace the Atlas with anything. With all the extra "Hitpoints" it has, killing it is like taking down a 120 ton SuperHeavy.

Eh, more like 116.5 to be exact.... on average. =P

[SteelHoves]

this thing has shield arms for days. cant wait to take it for a spin

[MovinTarget]

It may the closest Cranky Puppy gets to a 17 laser Atlas... not really, but the closest...

[Luscious Dan]

Can we refer to the claws as retractable hatchets to silence some of the other posters? Lol

On a slightly more serious note, I'm curious to see how this is affected by the upcoming rescale. It looks huge but since we don't know what all the reference mechs are (the ones that aren't changing) it's hard to be sure.

Once it's patched in the 3D modeler types can verify volume numbers if Russ doesn't post them.

Edited by Luscious Dan, 12 May 2016 - 01:00 PM.

[EvangelX]

Need more Monitor to fit that all in, curved, length, height and width...

(Dont say "Thats what she ...", just dont)

[Zaldier]

Looks great love everything about it .. but why god ?!?! why "The Cub"

[a rabid chihuahua]

EvangelX, on 12 May 2016 - 02:12 PM, said:

Need more Monitor to fit that all in, curved, length, height and width...

(Dont say "Thats what she ...", just dont)

Thats what she....on never mind...

[Mordoz]

4 Days left

[Nightshade24]

GermanPartisan, on 12 May 2016 - 05:43 AM, said:

So its 6 days until the Atlas becomes irrelevant ?

Atlas will never become irrelevant, if you start putting the meta or 'MWO "good" mech' talk here you might as well give up already because in those terms the Atlas was obselete ever since the Stalker, Victor, and Highlander was added and replaced everything an awesome or atlas can do with the whole 'meta' scene. Even then those 3 mechs got replaced so the things that already makes an atlas obsolete are also obsolete themselves.
However that's from the meta/ cheese/ comp scene perspective.

To be quite honest the Atlas is an amazing mech and nothing can replace it, not even the Atlas II.
Sure, you can build a kodiak like an atlas... Using the kodiak 1...

UAC 20, SSRM 6, LRM 20, 4 ER medium lasers, (and an XL 400). But this isn't automatically superior. It's a pretty close match up and atlas still has plenty of advantages and stuff. Even then atlas can do things a kodiak can't do to well.

And to be honest the balance of most mechs is very leveled and stuff. It's more up to prefference and simply liking the looks of a mech or nostelgia is enough to make the atlsa superior choice over the kodiak or vice versa.

TBH I think the kodiak is a bad mech in MW: O by meta standards (I can already hear all the "DOA" posts...)
But I will be loving it if it's the last thing I'll do in MW: O.

Morggo, on 12 May 2016 - 09:05 AM, said:

Your statement erroneously makes a blanket assumption that Atlas drivers will abandon their rides for the Kodiac. We've got several Atlas drivers in our group. Couple picked up the bears to fiddle with sure. However a couple others opted not buy it as they prefer Inner Sphere mechs. So, the Atlas remains plenty relevant I'd suspect.

It's a new mech. There have been many new mechs.
It's got potentially great features. Many new mechs have come with great features.
It could also roll off the FedEx truck a mediocre bucket of 'meh'. Other mechs have turned out like this.

Summary, unless PGI is releasing the uber-game-breaking-mech-of-super-op-ness, this admittedly awesome looking guy will still die with my smoking Oxide SRM's lodged in it's backside same as any other assault or Atlas does with the same relevancy.


PS... it IS a damn sweet looking ride though...

Agreed. I would play the kodiak reguardless of how good or bad it is. I play it because it is it, not that, not this, etc...

Tarogato, on 12 May 2016 - 11:21 AM, said:

Eh, more like 116.5 to be exact.... on average. =P

This is why we love you.

[Bows3r]

Nightshade24, on 12 May 2016 - 11:24 PM, said:

Atlas will never become irrelevant, if you start putting the meta or 'MWO "good" mech' talk here you might as well give up already because in those terms the Atlas was obselete ever since the Stalker, Victor, and Highlander was added and replaced everything an awesome or atlas can do with the whole 'meta' scene. Even then those 3 mechs got replaced so the things that already makes an atlas obsolete are also obsolete themselves.
However that's from the meta/ cheese/ comp scene perspective.

To be quite honest the Atlas is an amazing mech and nothing can replace it, not even the Atlas II.
Sure, you can build a kodiak like an atlas... Using the kodiak 1...

UAC 20, SSRM 6, LRM 20, 4 ER medium lasers, (and an XL 400). But this isn't automatically superior. It's a pretty close match up and atlas still has plenty of advantages and stuff. Even then atlas can do things a kodiak can't do to well.

And to be honest the balance of most mechs is very leveled and stuff. It's more up to prefference and simply liking the looks of a mech or nostelgia is enough to make the atlsa superior choice over the kodiak or vice versa.

TBH I think the kodiak is a bad mech in MW: O by meta standards (I can already hear all the "DOA" posts...)
But I will be loving it if it's the last thing I'll do in MW: O.


Agreed. I would play the kodiak reguardless of how good or bad it is. I play it because it is it, not that, not this, etc...

This is why we love you.

Atlas, obsolete? What are you smoking? Do you play or watch competitive MW:O? If you did, you might be able to see that the Atlas is one of the strongest 'mechs in the game for a brawl comp. The fact that you just suggested LRM's on your "Atlas look alike" suggests you don't.

[Nightshade24]

Bows3r, on 13 May 2016 - 02:05 AM, said:

Atlas, obsolete? What are you smoking? Do you play or watch competitive MW:O? If you did, you might be able to see that the Atlas is one of the strongest 'mechs in the game for a brawl comp. The fact that you just suggested LRM's on your "Atlas look alike" suggests you don't.

I didn't suggest, that IS the Atlas.

Atlas AS7-D, 2755
4x Medium Lasers, 1 x SRM 6, 1 x LRM 20, 1x Autocannon/20

Atlas AS7-D-DC, 2776
2x Medium Lasers, 1 x SRM 6, 1 x LRM 20, 1x Autocannon/20
Command Console

Atlas AS7-RS, 2892
2x Large Lasers, 1 x SRM 4, 1 x LRM 15, 1x Autocannon/10

Atlas AS7-WGS "Samsonov" 3025
2 x PPC, 1 x Autocannon/20 (No LRM's... but so much for your brawler with twin PPC's...)

Atlas AS7-D "Danielle" (or better known as in MW: O... The "Boars Head")
6x Medium Lasers, 1x LRM 20, 1x Autocannon/20 (Oh hey look, our boarshead removed the SRM's instead of the LRM's)

Atlas AS7-K 3049
2x ER Large laser,2x Medium Pulse lasers, 1 x LRM 20, 1x Gauss Rifle (Very brawlerish. much wow)

Atlas AS7-C 3050
2x ER Large laser, 1 x LRM 20, 1x Gauss Rifle
C3 Slave

Atlas AS7-CM 3050
1x ER Large laser,2x Medium Pulse lasers, 1 x LRM 20, 1x Gauss Rifle

Atlas AS7-K-DC 3050
2x ER Large laser,2x Medium Pulse lasers, 1 x LRM 20, 1x Gauss Rifle
Command Console

Atlas AS7-S 3050
4x Medium Lasers, 2x SSRM 2, 1 x SRM 6, 1 x LRM 20, 1x Autocannon/20

Atlas AS7-S2, 3061
2x ER Large Lasers, 1x LRM-15 + Artemis, Heavy Gauss Rifle
ECM

Atlas AS7-S3, 3062
3x Small Lasers, 2x PPCs, 1x LRM-15 + Artemis, 1x Gauss Rifle
ECM

Atlas AS7-Dr 3070
4x Medium Lasers, 1x Heavy PPC, 1x LRM-20
ECM

Atlas AS8-D 3074
2x ER Small lasers, 2x Light PPC, 1x Snub-Nose PPC, 2x MML-9's, 1x RAC/5

Atlas AS7-00 "Jurn" 3081
(I actually have no idea what this is, I just only know of it's name but it's some "Sniper", box art of the XTRO is showing LRM's however)

Atlas AS7-K2 3082
2x ER Large Lasers,2x SSRM 6, 1x Gauss Rifle (oh hey look, first stock atlas without LRM's... 3082)
Atlas AS7-K3 3083
2x ER Large Lasers,1x SSRM 4, 1x Gauss Rifle (second)
3x Jumpjets

Atlas AS7-K4 3098
2x ER PPC, 1x SRM 6 ,1x RAC/5 (Third, arguably because for these guys the ballistics and energy weapons are dedicated sniper weapons)
ECM

Atlas AS7-K2 "Jedra" (somewhere in post 3080's)
4x ER Medium Lasers, 1x SRM 4, 2x Light Gauss Rifle (fun fact, Gauss rifles are in the arms and the lasers are in the torso)

And the odd ball here... Atlas C... the clan modification of captured atlas battlemechs. 3050
With the lovely 4x Medium Laser, 1x Clan LRM 20, 1x Clan Ultra Autocannon/20




Also let's look at the Atlas II's... Kerensky's environment of the perfect battlemech- the physical representation of death and fear... perfected...

Atlas II AS7-D-H, 2765
2x Medium Pulse Laser, 2x ER Large lasers, 1x SRM 6, 1x LRM 20, 1x LB-X Autocannon/10

Atlas II AS7-D-H2 2780
2x Medium Pulse Laser,1x ER PPC, 1x SRM 6, 1x LRM 20, 1x Gauss Rifle

As well as Kerensky's Atlas itself... Atlas lI AS7-D-H "Kerensky" 2833
2x Clan Medium Pulse Laser, 2x Clan ER Large lasers, 2x Clan SSRM 6, 1x Clan LRM 20 + Artemis IV, 1x Clan LB-X Autocannon/10
AMS, ECM, BAP, CASE,

Atlas II AS7-D-H "Devlin" (somewhere in post 3070's)
2x Clan ER large lasers, 1x MML-9 +Artemis IV,
ECM, Heavy Duty Gyro

And lastly the III's...

Atlas AS7-D2 3110
2x Medium X-Pulse Lasers, 1x Streak SRM 6, 1x Streak LRM 20, 1x Hyper-Assault Gauss Rifle Class 30

Atlas AS7-D3 3137....
4x Medium X-Pulse Lasers, 1x Streak SRM 6, 1x Streak LRM 20, 1x RAC/2
2x Small Shields




nearly every Atlas has LRM's, all Atlases are drawn with their LRM launchers, That is what an Atlas is. So when blanketing the build of an atlas do NOT be surprised I use the weapon that is on all variants across 3 whole versions of the atlas besides a few 'hero' atli and 3 post Jihad versions.
And as I said, there are other builds out there available to the Atlas.
Now with the rest of your comment.

Hah. "brawl comp" ?! Last time I checked that died out 3 years ago. A competetive team/ tier 1 team will ever only use an atlas for the heck of it, for the lols, or obscure CW tactics (let's be honest, the normal tactic of CW is no tactic. Thus any tactic or strategy is automatically obscure...). The meta is firmly in the grasp of long range builds, high PPFLD, etc. And thosse 'brawlers' that are in the meta are on the obscure end of it. Aka not the comp end... things like the Dual AC/20 Jagermech, the 7+ Medium pulse laser Thunderbolt, etc... but even then most people preffer their all rounder builds like the Dual Large pulse, 4+ ER medium laser Timberwolfs or what ever.

You can easily tell this by the frequency of the Atlas in all statistics released by PGI or NGNG. The Atlas is basically as popular as the Awesome, Vindicator, etc... and the Urbanmech is more popular.

I do not watch competetive play. I simply Witness it. I do not actively hunt down for it because it barely exists in MW: O, "Competetive" is stypically the lable to co ordination at high tiers. What I do not see there is competetive, it's just the (MW: O's deffinition) or meta thrown onto group play. I believe we will see more true comp play when Solaris comes out but to be honest I think comp play should be more critically focused on 1vs1's or free for alls. Which makes me pray to PGI to add this to Solaris... free for alls.

When we all think of Solaris, we think of things like these...

or...


To be quite honest I think in a meta situation LRM's would help on the atlas, sure LRM's are the lowest weapon on the meta scale but it has range and damage, something an atlas needs when a mech over 400 meters away+ is spewing enough damage to potentially kill you in 2-4 alpha strikes.

[meteorol]

Nightshade24, on 13 May 2016 - 03:23 AM, said:

...

You are totally out of touch with this game.

[Wintersdark]

Nightshade24, on 13 May 2016 - 03:23 AM, said:

Hah. "brawl comp" ?! Last time I checked that died out 3 years ago. A competetive team/ tier 1 team will ever only use an atlas for the heck of it, for the lols, or obscure CW tactics (let's be honest, the normal tactic of CW is no tactic. Thus any tactic or strategy is automatically obscure...). The meta is firmly in the grasp of long range builds, high PPFLD, etc. And thosse 'brawlers' that are in the meta are on the obscure end of it. Aka not the comp end... things like the Dual AC/20 Jagermech, the 7+ Medium pulse laser Thunderbolt, etc... but even then most people preffer their all rounder builds like the Dual Large pulse, 4+ ER medium laser Timberwolfs or what ever.
...
To be quite honest I think in a meta situation LRM's would help on the atlas, sure LRM's are the lowest weapon on the meta scale but it has range and damage, something an atlas needs when a mech over 400 meters away+ is spewing enough damage to potentially kill you in 2-4 alpha strikes.

I don't think the current comp environment is anything like what you think it's like.

[Pariah Devalis]

Wintersdark, on 13 May 2016 - 06:57 AM, said:

I don't think the current comp environment is anything like what you think it's like.

Wintersdark, on 13 May 2016 - 06:57 AM, said:

I don't think the current comp environment is anything like what you think it's like.

Wintersdark, on 13 May 2016 - 06:57 AM, said:

I don't think the current comp environment is anything like what you think it's like.

No error there, Nightshade. I quoted Wintersdark several times. Brawling is huge in Comp. Especially in the smaller group sized matches. Also, you are literally worse off with those LRMs on the Atlas (due to weapon weight and a wasted hardpoint) than without unless PGI decides to improve LRM direct fire mode into a far faster, far more accurate, player directed weapon system. LRMs are too easily mitigated by, say, rocks, to ever deter direct firepower mechs. ESPECIALLY if it is only a single launcher. They will shoot, you will launch missiles, they will laugh, take two steps behind a rock, the rock eats the missiles, and then they pop out again and blast you. Repeat as many times as it takes.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 13 May 2016 - 08:05 AM.

[Pariah Devalis]

Peculiar. The KDK-1 and 5 don't have the same quirks, or any, that the others all share. It seems random. The loss of 4 energy when you still have 5 remaining, plus all the other guns, is well worth it for the quirks and token JJ on the KDK-2, for example. Like... it isn't even a thought. Just outright better than the KDK-1. Meanwhile, the KDK-5 cannot be expected to use all its energy hardpoints so long as we have the current heat system in the game. So... it isn't even really able to benefit from lasers, more lasers, all the lasers anyways.

I'm just a smidge baffled why those two got no quirks. o_0

Edit:

Hm. MASC and acceleration quirks? Guess my Spirit Bear is going to be named "Ursine Bolt."

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 13 May 2016 - 08:42 AM.