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[Clownwarlord]

I have to agree we need a change up and faction warfare just isn't doing it for me.

[Imperius]

Captain Luffy, on 11 May 2016 - 07:01 PM, said:

I have to agree we need a change up and faction warfare just isn't doing it for me.

I already knew none of CW would succeed it's missing the huge foundation that only PVE elements could provide.

[wanderer]

What will eventually sink in here is that in many ways, PGI is far more limited than they let on.

They run a game that is literally lostech to them in terms of coding, which given that this is supposedly a Battletech-universe game is tremendously ironic.

Where's the Grey Death Legion to find some coding commentary core when you really need them?

[LordNothing]

Revis Volek, on 10 May 2016 - 01:06 PM, said:

People will just cry pay to win because its MC only, someone will be butthurt no doubt.

dont care, i paid. wheres my win?

also its not like they dont periodically hand out free mc.

Edited by LordNothing, 11 May 2016 - 08:40 PM.

[LordNothing]

wanderer, on 10 May 2016 - 02:34 PM, said:

Loot crates exist because MWO is incapable of coding a tech jump, because they can't code new weapons- at best, they can restat and recolor old ones.

Thus, "content" as shown on the roadmap.

most of the weapons are an entry in an xml (not real code) file and some art assets for icons and in game effects. the thing that takes actual programming is new mechanics, which they really dont need to add (it would be nice though).

Edited by LordNothing, 11 May 2016 - 08:47 PM.

[LastKhan]

This is just funny.

[wanderer]

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new mechanics, which they really dont need to add

Without proper ammo switching, Clan ATM launchers are impossible. They're quite plentiful in the next wave of tech.

Without ballistic-arc weaponry, mortars and artillery cannons are impossible.

Arrow IV mechanics do not exist in MWO, either.

[FaithBombCRNA]

wanderer, on 12 May 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Without proper ammo switching, Clan ATM launchers are impossible. They're quite plentiful in the next wave of tech.

Without ballistic-arc weaponry, mortars and artillery cannons are impossible.

Arrow IV mechanics do not exist in MWO, either.

Even now there are people that complain about lurms, can you imagine the rage when they get insta-killed with an Arrow IV to the head/back from 2km away???

[wanderer]

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Even now there are people that complain about lurms, can you imagine the rage when they get insta-killed with an Arrow IV to the head/back from 2km away???

As artillery-type damage is getting recode to disallow headshots, it'll be a moot point. AIV's do have about a 3000m range, given...but if they're anywhere remotely near LRM velocity, that's a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong flight time to 2km!

(At LRM velocity, a 2km lob would take twelve and a half seconds to reach it's target. I hope even a stock Urbanmech can dodge that.)

[Lorian Sunrider]

wanderer, on 12 May 2016 - 12:18 PM, said:

(At LRM velocity, a 2km lob would take twelve and a half seconds to reach it's target. I hope even a stock Urbanmech can dodge that.)

Or shoot it down lol.

[FaithBombCRNA]

wanderer, on 12 May 2016 - 12:18 PM, said:

As artillery-type damage is getting recode to disallow headshots, it'll be a moot point. AIV's do have about a 3000m range, given...but if they're anywhere remotely near LRM velocity, that's a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong flight time to 2km!

(At LRM velocity, a 2km lob would take twelve and a half seconds to reach it's target. I hope even a stock Urbanmech can dodge that.)

Except that for most of it's BT existence, in spite of being called a "Missile Artillery System", Arrow IV functioned like a homing AC/20 shell

[Zerberus]

Imperius, on 10 May 2016 - 06:11 PM, said:

I told them I'd buy a Mad Cat MK II gold one at that, clearly money must not be an issue if they were willing to throw away my constant support for bottom barrel mechs and loot crates.

In 3 days I'll have Doom 4 rip MWO my feedback was not needed o7 apparently neither was my money.

No, you´re the one that´s completely off base here. The entire notion of what you´re proposing is completely delusional.

More real content is a good thing, this is more or less teh only thing we agree on.

Because the reality is that one single person´s incessant whining and alleged interest in making a single (larger but still) mediocre purchase is not enough of a reason to completely throw what we have today out the window, and spend 6-12 months implementing all the necessary ******** like HAGs that need to be implemented for it to work.

You obviously have zero concept of how pitifully small a single 500$ purchase is to a company with 50 employees, especially when that 500$ purchase brings with it a very significant risk of permanently driving away hundreds if not thousands of other customers... even if you offered them a million dollars just for that one mech, you´re still not even in the ballpark, that doesn´t even pay for the manpower costs of the 6 months to year of development time needed to put in all the crap you need to properly equip that mech...

And what good does it do you or PGI if you get your awesome shiny gold MC MKII, but nobody else plays the game anymore becasue PGI forgot about every customer but the superduperimportant one who wants to buy a 500$ gold mech?

Seriously, I have never seen a customer, no matter how entitled, that overestimated their value more massively, in any industry. Yes, "the customer is king".... But if the king`s an *******, revolutions start and we get a new king.

The fact of the matter is that NOBODY INTELLIGENT, in any company ever, will completely throw out their entire business plan for a single purchase from a single customer, unless that purchase is in fact the company itself. And that costs just a wee bit more than taking only the senior execs out for dinner and a 9 hole round of golf, which is about what your gold mech is worth, if that.

Face it, you may not "be" one, but specifically in this respect you seem to be very firmly of the opinion that PGI and the rest of the world owe you something, and as a result you display yourself as the epitome of an entitled whiner. One that (judging by his repeated gross exaggeration of his value as a customer to anyone) very likely had everything in his live plated in platinum and shoved up hisass before he even knew he wanted it...

I do not mean that as an insult, I mean that exclusively as "Dude, THIS is exactly how you´re acting, whether you realize it or not does not mean it´s not true." In other words, If you´re not actively trolling and you actually want to be taken seriously, you need a reality check and an attitude adjustment, badly.

PS: to be completely frank, if MWO "dies" for you in 3 days when Doom is released, you are most certainly NOT the type of person that ANY company should ever bend to. You only want things that stroke your ego make your e-peen grow harder, no matter who´s mother get´s run over to give them to you, ideally for zero cost and "rite NAAOOOO!!", and you couldnt give a rat´s *** or flying **** about anyone else. The forum and community will very likely not miss you (in fact I think many of us will feel refreshed at not seing a new "Need MC MKII" thread every week) , and as such they were wise beyond their years to not rally behind you.

I harbor no ill will towards your person, I do not know you, nor do I care to, for me you´re nothing more than a few delusional pixels on my screen.. But the way you present yourself, specifically in this setting and regarding the topic of the MC MKII is far beyond childish, to the point that it´s practically dissociated from any tangible reality.

Edited by Zerberus, 12 May 2016 - 01:09 PM.

[Raso]

Loot crates is programming time that makes money now. New tech is programming time that doesn't make money now.

PGI wants to sell mech packs and MC bundles. New tech doesn't sell mech packs or MC bundles.

New tech also requires balancing. Balancing takes more development time that doesn't make immediate financial returns. PGI doesn't want to balance.

Stop buying mech packs in protest to tell PGI to focus on gameplay or balances and MWO goes bye-bye because PGI doesn't have time for what doesn't make it immediate financial returns. We can have MWO with current-tech, an ever growing roster of mechs and a shoddy clan warfare or we can have no MWO because that's the business model PGI has been sticking to.

It sucks but I've learned to accept it as reality. My only hope is that PGI doesn't lock content behind the lock boxes that can't otherwise be earned in the game itself (or at least purchased through conventional means using MC or real world money).

[Moldur]

BUT THAT'S JUST IT. INSIDE ONE OF THOSE CRATES IS TIMELINE JUMP AND NEW TECH. YOU HAVE TO OPEN IT TO SAVE THE GAME.

[wanderer]

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Arrow IV functioned like a homing AC/20 shell

Artillery damage is in 5-point groups, rather than a single 20-point slap. If anything, it'd be more like smacking someone with a quartet of 5-point hits at point of impact-30m, and two of same from 31-60m.

But again, that'd take being able to actually generate artillery-style firing arcs- although it'd be nice to be able to use enemy sensor readings as target points, even unguided and flat-line direct-fire mode (which in TT has a range of 480m or so) for things like plunking AIV rounds into tunnels and such.

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PGI wants to sell mech packs and MC bundles. New tech doesn't sell mech packs or MC bundles.

New tech allows for more 'Mechs to be built and sold that use said tech.

For example, there's a 3050-era Catapult that isn't doable without AIV's. The split-location weapon allowance getting properly added would both allow interesting new builds and later designs like the Thunder, which can't be done without it. For that matter, new-tech Heroes would garner more attention.

Edited by wanderer, 12 May 2016 - 02:32 PM.

[Alan Davion]

Raso, on 12 May 2016 - 01:13 PM, said:

Loot crates is programming time that makes money now. New tech is programming time that doesn't make money now.

PGI wants to sell mech packs and MC bundles. New tech doesn't sell mech packs or MC bundles.

Actually new tech does sell mech packs. Whatever tech level comes next, I think it's Tech 3, would introduce new armor types, hardened, reflective, newer, more powerful weapons, ER-Pulse, X-Pulse, newer, lighter, better equipment, Laser AMS, Light Probes, Light Gyros, etc, etc, so on and so forth, ad nauseum.

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New tech also requires balancing. Balancing takes more development time that doesn't make immediate financial returns. PGI doesn't want to balance.

Unless PGI wants the forums to start pulling out the torches, pitchforks and chanting "Pay 2 Win", then they have to make sure the new equipment is balanced with the old tech, otherwise the old tech is completely obsoleted and the new tech is undeniably P2W.

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Stop buying mech packs in protest to tell PGI to focus on gameplay or balances and MWO goes bye-bye because PGI doesn't have time for what doesn't make it immediate financial returns. We can have MWO with current-tech, an ever growing roster of mechs and a shoddy clan warfare or we can have no MWO because that's the business model PGI has been sticking to.

It sucks but I've learned to accept it as reality. My only hope is that PGI doesn't lock content behind the lock boxes that can't otherwise be earned in the game itself (or at least purchased through conventional means using MC or real world money).

This is unfortunately the hard truth. People need to stop buying what PGI shoves into their faces and force them to realize that they've f***ed up somewhere along the line, and they need to knuckle down and fix the shite that's broken before people will start buying again.

[Imperius]

Zerberus, on 12 May 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

No, you´re the one that´s completely off base here. The entire notion of what you´re proposing is completely delusional.

More real content is a good thing, this is more or less teh only thing we agree on.

Because the reality is that one single person´s incessant whining and alleged interest in making a single (larger but still) mediocre purchase is not enough of a reason to completely throw what we have today out the window, and spend 6-12 months implementing all the necessary ******** like HAGs that need to be implemented for it to work.

You obviously have zero concept of how pitifully small a single 500$ purchase is to a company with 50 employees, especially when that 500$ purchase brings with it a very significant risk of permanently driving away hundreds if not thousands of other customers... even if you offered them a million dollars just for that one mech, you´re still not even in the ballpark, that doesn´t even pay for the manpower costs of the 6 months to year of development time needed to put in all the crap you need to properly equip that mech...

And what good does it do you or PGI if you get your awesome shiny gold MC MKII, but nobody else plays the game anymore becasue PGI forgot about every customer but the superduperimportant one who wants to buy a 500$ gold mech?

Seriously, I have never seen a customer, no matter how entitled, that overestimated their value more massively, in any industry. Yes, "the customer is king".... But if the king`s an *******, revolutions start and we get a new king.

The fact of the matter is that NOBODY INTELLIGENT, in any company ever, will completely throw out their entire business plan for a single purchase from a single customer, unless that purchase is in fact the company itself. And that costs just a wee bit more than taking only the senior execs out for dinner and a 9 hole round of golf, which is about what your gold mech is worth, if that.

Face it, you may not "be" one, but specifically in this respect you seem to be very firmly of the opinion that PGI and the rest of the world owe you something, and as a result you display yourself as the epitome of an entitled whiner. One that (judging by his repeated gross exaggeration of his value as a customer to anyone) very likely had everything in his live plated in platinum and shoved up hisass before he even knew he wanted it...

I do not mean that as an insult, I mean that exclusively as "Dude, THIS is exactly how you´re acting, whether you realize it or not does not mean it´s not true." In other words, If you´re not actively trolling and you actually want to be taken seriously, you need a reality check and an attitude adjustment, badly.

PS: to be completely frank, if MWO "dies" for you in 3 days when Doom is released, you are most certainly NOT the type of person that ANY company should ever bend to. You only want things that stroke your ego make your e-peen grow harder, no matter who´s mother get´s run over to give them to you, ideally for zero cost and "rite NAAOOOO!!", and you couldnt give a rat´s *** or flying **** about anyone else. The forum and community will very likely not miss you (in fact I think many of us will feel refreshed at not seing a new "Need MC MKII" thread every week) , and as such they were wise beyond their years to not rally behind you.

I harbor no ill will towards your person, I do not know you, nor do I care to, for me you´re nothing more than a few delusional pixels on my screen.. But the way you present yourself, specifically in this setting and regarding the topic of the MC MKII is far beyond childish, to the point that it´s practically dissociated from any tangible reality.

You have no idea what constant support means.
The part you're missing is I was onboard with PGI 100% in January go review the town halls to see the change in tone.

>CW was asked for I was against it but the majority spoke... It flopped
>Steam was next I asked please provide an interesting place [pve single/coop] for new people to play the game free from veterans otherwise you will not retain the new people who would have zero interest in Battletech. Well you can see the steam numbers
>New engine so they can stop worrying about optimizations and let the company they license the engine from do the hard work. After all this game was just supposed to be like a CryEngine mod. They cut out updates from CryTECH to add network PVP and keep dx 9... To me this was the biggest first mistake.
>Call it entitlement but asking for one item I know they can deliver and soon is a mech. Obviously the other items are a huge time investment.

What they lost for reasons I can't even disclose is my constant support. As well as the 5 others that played the game with me. Most of them asked for refunds when I told them I was done. Sure 5 people may not seem like a lot, but think about how word of mouth works. If those 5 people had 5 people that only played when they were on well now 25 just walked. My unit has 50+ members it was reduced to about 10 now it's pretty much not touching MWO.

Just because people on these forums lack support of my rants of entitlement as you seem to think this is doesn't mean I don't have many supporters. Funny thing is after a year of them telling me to stop wasting my money I'm happy to know they were true friends because even though I was making bad choices they were there with me to make them.

Doom is out in 30 min goodbye

[LastKhan]

Imperius, on 12 May 2016 - 08:37 PM, said:

Doom is out in 30 min goodbye

You know what, as much as we disagree and how im kinda skeptical of Bethesda. I hope it goes well man and im sure you'll let us know all about it.

Edited by LastKhan, 12 May 2016 - 09:22 PM.

[Carl Vickers]

Imperius, on 12 May 2016 - 08:37 PM, said:

Doom is out in 30 min goodbye