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[oldradagast]

Mister D, on 16 May 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:

Public service announcement, so that you can avoid PC Brick syndrome..

I thought it was important enough to be in General Disc, because clearly we are all running windows, some of us have taken the plunge, some not.

I asked Derek if he could leave it here so people could see it, he agreed, because it is important.

If its on Off-Topic, nobody would see it, and every PC that can be saved and not turned into a brick. is a victory, and one less headache for somebody.

Agreed, and I thank you for posting this - I updated my settings accordingly to shut this forced upgrade idiocy down (at least until Microsoft decides to truly force the issue,) I suspect by the time most of us realized that Microsoft was now taking a more heavy-handed approach in forcing the upgrade, it would have been too late. And, as you said, obviously this relates to MWO since MWO runs on Windows machines.

Edited by oldradagast, 16 May 2016 - 05:50 PM.

[Volthorne]

Mister D, on 16 May 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:

Public service announcement, so that you can avoid PC Brick syndrome..

I thought it was important enough to be in General Disc, because clearly we are all running windows, some of us have taken the plunge, some not.

I asked Derek if he could leave it here so people could see it, he agreed, because it is important.

If its on Off-Topic, nobody would see it, and every PC that can be saved and not turned into a brick. is a victory, and one less headache for somebody.

"PC Brick Syndrome"? Now you're being obtuse on purpose. Windows 10 is, on the whole, as good as Win7. Some things it does worse (not a fan of the "revamped" system panel, though the control panel is still accessible), and some things better (lots of back-end stuff that isn't immediately apparent), but by no means does it "brick" a PC. I would even go so far as to say FOR THE AVERAGE USER, Win10 is better than Win7, because it streamlines the UI: stuff that more experienced users would need is hidden away from where the less tech-savvy users won't find it and mess with stuff they really shouldn't be.

The real crux of the matter is that people - you included - are scared of change. Every time this topic comes up, it's always the same crew decrying Win10, for pretty much no good reason at all.

Scout Derek, on 16 May 2016 - 05:38 PM, said:

Humor me this; You report this thread, but yet you get reported for breaking the CoC, no? On top of all of this, you were the only report to have come in so far about this. If people want to talk about this for a bit, then let them, because it's going to get moved anyways. I get more reports about FW being in the wrong forums than this type of stuff.

Yes, yes, laugh at my (probably more than it should be) slightly caustic attitude towards the clueless. I can take a joke. I will not, however, suffer fools who want to pin their problems on the tools rather than the user. A spade is a spade, but if you're trying to use it as a spoon and say that it's broken because it won't fit in your mouth (or is unwieldy, etc.), you absolutely deserve to be called out on it.

As for the number of reports stuff, that is shocking, though in retrospect not entirely surprising because off-topic/non-MWO stuff has a clearly designated off-topic subforum whereas FW's subforum isn't explicitly clear on what should go there, especially since it has a bunch of faction-related children (for clarity that is not an insult) branching off of it.

Edited by Volthorne, 16 May 2016 - 06:10 PM.

[Pinscher]

I have used Mint in the past, its very user friendly. MWO is going to have to seriously look at linux. Me personally about the time i lose my win7pro, i go to linux for good.

[Scout Derek]

Volthorne, on 16 May 2016 - 06:08 PM, said:

Yes, yes, laugh at my (probably more than it should be) slightly caustic attitude towards the clueless. I can take a joke. I will not, however, suffer fools who want to pin their problems on the tools rather than the user. A spade is a spade, but if you're trying to use it as a spoon and say that it's broken because it won't fit in your mouth (or is unwieldy, etc.), you absolutely deserve to be called out on it.

As for the number of reports stuff, that is shocking, though in retrospect not entirely surprising because off-topic/non-MWO stuff has a clearly designated off-topic subforum whereas FW's subforum isn't explicitly clear on what should go there, especially since it has a bunch of faction-related children (for clarity that is not an insult) branching off of it.

Not laughing at you at all, however, just because they may not know what they're talking about doesn't give you the right to stoop to a low level such as calling them an idiot, makes you just as bad as them. If you remember to look at the pins, I explain where and why FW threads get moved and what not.

[Moldur]

Win 10 has worked great on any desktop I've used with it, but it oddly bricked my laptop. Start up time went from maybe a minute and a half from power on to logging in with Win 8 (awful as it may have been, it worked on my laptop) to being many, many times longer (as in press the power button, and go do something else for a while.) Not only that, but none of the functionality of closing and opening my laptop works despite quite specifically setting what the power button does, what the lid does when plugged/unplugged, etc. I suspect there are left-overs from 8.0 and 8.1 that I need to track down and get rid of. Just a testimonial.

[Pinscher]

I just read up on Vulkan. This should be the nail in the coffin for windows.

[JC Daxion]

Mister D, on 15 May 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

http://www.tomshardw...ates,31802.html

Pretty cool right?

Microsoft is 1 step short of distributing Windows-10 as a forced upgrade.

Well you could look at it this way, They are forcing you to get a free copy, which you can rollback, and then use 7 for just 2 or is it 3 more years, before they stop adding security updates.. verse use it with out the update for that time, then have to spend 100 bucks for a new copy that actually has security updates.


So really it won't be long till win 7 becomes the way of my 2k and vista machines.. Off-line only legacy gaming units. (though vista is just an extra computer now, as 7 covers all of vista,, so 2k is my only true legacy machine, unless you could my win98 Pentium 166 with 16 meg graphics card, ohh the power! but hey it runs and old disk copy of rouge squadron.. the only starwars game that i know of that you can laso- at-at's

Edited by JC Daxion, 16 May 2016 - 07:32 PM.

[Eboli]

My pc runs Win 7. It was built by myself using selected hardware. I tried Win 10 earlier this year on my pc and it was absolute trash when it came to start up and processing speed. Was not impressed at all.

I chose to roll back to Win 7 and it completely borked it leading to myself having to completely reinstall everything. Yes, I tried many options to get my Win 7 operating system to work again but no luck.

Win 10 is not going on my pc so I appreciate that this topic has been placed on General Discussion. The only forum places I go to here on MWO is General and FW.

Cheers and thanks to OP.
Eboli

[slide]

I installed Win 10 on the laptop we bought just before it come out. Made for Win10 it said on the box. Not that I was impressed with 8.1 either but it made the Laptop run awfully. I eventually gave up and rolled it back to 8.1. It ran even worse, so bad that my wife and kid refused to use it.

I personally don't think that Win10 installed properly. It certainly didn't uninstall properly. As a last resort, some 8 months later I have reinstalled Win10 again and the laptop is now flying again. I can only assume that there were some improvements to the install package in the mean time. I still don't like it. The whole android/tablet look of it just ****'s me to tears.

However I am extremely reluctant to let 10 anywhere near my wok computers as I am afraid all the security updates will make networking with my machines difficult at best. We have a very strange setup at work as we have to run several old operating systems due to propriety software being hardware locked to specific PC's (we're talking CAD/CAM systems that are worth thousands per seat that are not transferable).

My PC running Win7 has to talk to machines running Win7, XP and most importantly to one machine which is running DOS (5.0). It took me days to get all these systems to talk and I have no intention of letting some MS boffin who thinks he knows whats best for everyone potentially mess it up.

Thank you to those providing tips for removing this scourge from my machine.

[Karl Marlow]

I've been trying to upgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10 since I put together my new computer. It refuses to upgrade.

Where is all this stealth BS when it comes to my computer. I would be ecstatic to wake up and see my computer snuck win10 on my computer after refusing to do so for the last 3 months.

[Johnny Z]

ThomasMarik, on 16 May 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

I've been trying to upgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10 since I put together my new computer. It refuses to upgrade.

Where is all this stealth BS when it comes to my computer. I would be ecstatic to wake up and see my computer snuck win10 on my computer after refusing to do so for the last 3 months.

I wasn't as mad as this but I gave my degree in foul language a work out...



Go to youtube and type windows 10 rant.

[Scout Derek]

Johnny Z, on 16 May 2016 - 08:55 PM, said:

I wasn't as mad as this but I gave my degree in foul language a work out...



Go to youtube and type windows 10 rant.

I'm not going to lie, that guy's voice and the way he talked...

lawlz disease was contacted.

[Sorbic]

Sitting here enjoying 2 Win7 machines that aren't and haven't bugged me to upgrade and I haven't done anything special. Although I have been thinking about trying 10 on my laptop.

[smokefield]

if you dont know how to manually get rid of win 10 upgrade use this (or u are lazy) :

http://news.softpedi...er-490567.shtml

[Cyborne Elemental]

Well here is a good example.

My brother just got hit by this required update.

He has his personal PC on while he goes to work, so he comes back home from work to his PC being updated now to windows-10 without even knowing it happened.

He had said that he was going to wait for a good time to get things sorted out, and be prepared by finding drivers, ect to upgrade when he had time to do it.

It gets upgraded without his consent, without even knowing it was going to happen, without his permission.
Because he is just too busy with work and life to see that Microsoft had switched the update to "required" instead of being "recommended".

So he gets to spend what little free time he has, which should be for relaxing and preparing himself for the next work day.
Instead, he gets to spend it getting his machine back to a state where he was before the upgrade took place.

I don't know.. but that is pretty annoying.

Even my Dad, he has an ASUS labtop which was setup for windows-8., it was working great, and running fast in windows-8, but Asus didn't make the Chipset drivers for that particular machine to run on Windows-10, so now his hardrive controller and chipset stuff is running default microsoft drivers, which are much slower than the proprietary ASUS chipset drivers.

His labtop runs like crap on windows-10, its slower, and odds are Asus isn't going to be updating those chipset drivers again because it costs them money to have a software engineer reverse engineer those drivers for every single labtop that uses different hardware.

And there isn't a way to revert safely back because the Labtop had windows-8 pre-installed it never came with a windows install-CD, I can't even go over there and rebuild it back to windows-8 without purchasing a brand spanking new copy of windows for $100.

And it should not have happened.

Its all the little things that Microsoft just overlooked when they did this, and when you're talking about a business with hundreds or even thousands of computers to redo and maintain, thats pretty significant.

Am I upset? yeah. and rightly so.

Edited by Mister D, 18 May 2016 - 04:35 AM.

[Isolani]

I upgraded to win10 by choice recently, but only because I had win8.1 and didn't like it.

Only thing I would advise is to do some research on your current hardware compatibility with win10. I was using a Netgear A6200 wifi adapter, and win10 and it do not get along. Adapter kept disconnecting every couple minutes in win10, but worked fine in win8.1. Tried all kinds of fixes from Netgear forums, youtube, Microsoft...there is apparently no real fix that works for everybody. It's extremely annoying trying to fix win10 issues when you only have internet access for 2 minutes at a time.

I was surprised that an issue like that had not been ironed out this long after win10 has been available. The reason I waited so long to upgrade is because I thought they would have things like that worked out by now. They don't.

Other than my wifi issue, I like win10 a lot better than 8.1. Just had to read a little bit on how to turn off all the junk I didn't want like Cortana.

[burns]

Don´t understand what everyones problem with win10 is.
(<-- not a WiFi user)

Built my new PC recently and went straight for the win7 -> win10 option. Chose user defined install, (been told to) untick everything, ~30 seconds later win10 was up and running, gave it one last treat with O&O Shutup10 and have´nt had to worry ever since.

DX12 ready. Played Forza. MWO runs like a treat.
As somebody said before: Just close your eyes and let it happen


edit: Forcing updates is shady as **** though, i´d be out of my mind if it happened on my old rig :E

Edited by burns, 18 May 2016 - 05:06 AM.

[Tom Sawyer]

At least PGI asks if you want to buy a mech pack

[EvilCow]

burns, on 18 May 2016 - 05:03 AM, said:

Don´t understand what everyones problem with win10 is.

Simply lack of trust for MS.

The simple fact that they are trying to trick/force me into installing it is a reason sufficient to resist it, regardless how good or bad it is.

[Johnny Z]

Tom Sawyer, on 18 May 2016 - 05:09 AM, said:

At least PGI asks if you want to buy a mech pack

Well you have a point. What other company could get away with rendering a perfectly fine purchased product useless and forcing new purchases. Security updates aside there is no reason at all. Which explains a lot of things these days....

How ironic that security would render consumer protection obsolete....

Edited by Johnny Z, 18 May 2016 - 07:01 AM.