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[Phantomewzick]

Volthorne, on 16 May 2016 - 06:08 PM, said:

"PC Brick Syndrome"? Now you're being obtuse on purpose. Windows 10 is, on the whole, as good as Win7. Some things it does worse (not a fan of the "revamped" system panel, though the control panel is still accessible), and some things better (lots of back-end stuff that isn't immediately apparent), but by no means does it "brick" a PC. I would even go so far as to say FOR THE AVERAGE USER, Win10 is better than Win7, because it streamlines the UI: stuff that more experienced users would need is hidden away from where the less tech-savvy users won't find it and mess with stuff they really shouldn't be.

The real crux of the matter is that people - you included - are scared of change. Every time this topic comes up, it's always the same crew decrying Win10, for pretty much no good reason at all.


Yes, yes, laugh at my (probably more than it should be) slightly caustic attitude towards the clueless. I can take a joke. I will not, however, suffer fools who want to pin their problems on the tools rather than the user. A spade is a spade, but if you're trying to use it as a spoon and say that it's broken because it won't fit in your mouth (or is unwieldy, etc.), you absolutely deserve to be called out on it.

As for the number of reports stuff, that is shocking, though in retrospect not entirely surprising because off-topic/non-MWO stuff has a clearly designated off-topic subforum whereas FW's subforum isn't explicitly clear on what should go there, especially since it has a bunch of faction-related children (for clarity that is not an insult) branching off of it.

I am sorry, but no. As an IT Professional, have you ANY IDEA, what turning windows 10 into a RECOMMENDED SECURITY UPDATE, has done to a ridiculous number of small business I service? you know the type of locally owned store whose owners are neither particularly tech savvy, nor can afford the much more expensive enterprise versions of windows(business edition is not immune to the forced upgrade)?

IT HAS ******* RUINED MANY OF THEM. They have custom software that ONLY runs on windows 7, and cannot be replaced, in many cases it cannot be fixed or upgraded for compatability because the people or person who created the software is not available anymore. Among other things.

There are ANY NUMBER, of laptop and tablet devices out there for which NO WINDOWS 10 DRIVERS EXIST. Turning many of these devices into LITERAL BRICKS.

GET THE **** OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE YOU *******, and realize you are 0.01% of computer users savvy enough to know how to protect yourself.

AND THE MWO FORUMS DONT BELONG TO YOU.

Overprivileged *****, how about realizing that not everyone has as much time and resources available as you to learn and decipher all the tech we all take for granted?

Edited by Phantomewzick, 18 May 2016 - 07:12 AM.

[Kekkone]

Read some of the EULA as this is a hot topic everywhere. These are my favorites:

Spoiler

Personal Data We Collect

Microsoft collects data to operate effectively and provide you the best experiences with our services.

Name and contact data

Credentials. We collect passwords, password hints, and similar security information used for authentication and account access.

Payment data. We collect data necessary to process your payment if you make purchases, such as your payment instrument number (such as a credit card number), and the security code associated with your payment instrument.

Usage data. We collect data about how you and your device interact with our services. This includes data, such as the features you use, the items you purchase, the web pages you visit, and the search terms you enter.

data about your location, which can be either precise or imprecise. Precise location data can be Global Position System (GPS) data, as well as data identifying nearby cell towers and Wi-Fi hotspots

Content. .....

For example, if you receive an email using Outlook.com, we need to collect the content of that email in order to deliver it to your inbox, display it to you, enable you to reply to it, and store it for you until you choose to delete it. Examples of this data include: the content of your documents, photos, music or video you upload to a Microsoft service such as OneDrive, as well as the content of your communications sent or received using Microsoft services such Outlook.com or Skype, including the:

subject line and body of an email,
text or other content of an instant message,
audio and video recording of a video message, and
audio recording and transcript of a voice message you receive or a text message you dictate.

Sad thing is these might not even be new things to collect. Haven't read the EULA for win 7 so can't compare what is new and what is not.

Playing a bit of devils advocate though, they claim there are options to limit the data they collect. The data collection of content is also limited to "only" MS-software.

[EvilCow]

Kekkone, on 18 May 2016 - 08:25 AM, said:

Playing a bit of devils advocate though, they claim there are options to limit the data they collect. The data collection of content is also limited to "only" MS-software.

And we can trust their claims, right? fact is that there is continuous network traffic even with all options disabled.

There is also no guarantee that they will not make changes in future for the worse, remember that "it was our position at that time" ? once you are in you just have to take all the "updates" they will decide you need.

The fight is now, just don't accept the shiny new "free" toy.

[oldradagast]

Phantomewzick, on 18 May 2016 - 07:06 AM, said:

I am sorry, but no. As an IT Professional, have you ANY IDEA, what turning windows 10 into a RECOMMENDED SECURITY UPDATE, has done to a ridiculous number of small business I service? you know the type of locally owned store whose owners are neither particularly tech savvy, nor can afford the much more expensive enterprise versions of windows(business edition is not immune to the forced upgrade)?

This is a statement of fact. I work for a huge engineering company, so we have checks in place to prevent the automatic update, but we also know as a fact that several key tools we use are NOT compatible with WIndows 10. If the forced upgrade could happen to us when those fruit-loops at Microsoft decree it will happen, we'd be unable to work effectively for weeks, maybe longer - and that's with the manpower of a huge company to fix it. A small business would basically be shut down by such an event, burning money every day until they hope they can scrounge together enough cash to buy new versions of everything they need.

No, the forced upgrade is completely dishonest and destructive. Imagine if you went to an auto repair shop and they just decided to replace the engine in your car, not because there was anything wrong with it, but because they thought you'd like the new one better. The replacement engine is free, but any expenses related to problems generated by the replacement you have to fix on your own dollar. Would you go back to such a place? Of course not - but that's the lunacy Microsoft is pushing here.

Edited by oldradagast, 19 May 2016 - 03:17 AM.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Kekkone, on 18 May 2016 - 08:25 AM, said:

Sad thing is these might not even be new things to collect. Haven't read the EULA for win 7 so can't compare what is new and what is not.

Playing a bit of devils advocate though, they claim there are options to limit the data they collect. The data collection of content is also limited to "only" MS-software.

Guy ran Wireshark to track DNS and IP traffic, without any blockers, then with Anti-Spy and another program that tries to block traffic.

[Lugh]

Alistair Winter, on 16 May 2016 - 11:46 AM, said:

Things will work themselves out in time. When enough people are tired of Microsoft's sh*t, the demand for alternative OS will increase. And someone will provide it. And Windows will go the way of Bing.



I just hope the alternative isn't Google OS. Because then they'll have the world even more by the balls than they already do.

Linus is here now and a perfectly viable alternative. Most can't be bothered, as it is a little bit more hardcore in on hands knowledge needed to do things properly.

Windows is more derp friendly with easy click click interfacing for the 1D10Ts of the world to manage.

[Kekkone]

EvilCow, on 19 May 2016 - 12:28 AM, said:

And we can trust their claims, right? fact is that there is continuous network traffic even with all options disabled.

There is also no guarantee that they will not make changes in future for the worse, remember that "it was our position at that time" ? once you are in you just have to take all the "updates" they will decide you need.

The fight is now, just don't accept the shiny new "free" toy.

I trust that they can't use the "disabled data collection" in any public fashion. Fact is that our personal information is collected and used pretty much everywhere these days. Facebook etc., pretty much every smart phone app monitor and collect pretty much everything.

It doesn't mean i'm ok with it. I won't take the free upgrade, i'll continue using win 7 untill the end of its days and make the decision when seven shuts down finally.

Oh and referring to my previous post, i skimmed through the EULA and privacy statement of win 7. Couldn't find any reference to credit card information or password collection, unless in a context which points to protecting them with encryption or managing remote desktops etc. Seems they did just take a blatant dive in that department.

[Cyborne Elemental]

If I could play MWO and my other games on Linux, I wouldn't be here bitching about windows-10.