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[Mavairo]

Blow out their CTs. Probably from the back ideally. CT seems pretty easy to hit. Spread their damage around when they fire back.

Engaging them last night was interesting in the Atlas. They don't seem -quite- as robust as an Atlas one on one, but they also have a lot of firepower. Getting the drop on them is pretty critical honestly from what I'm seeing so far. It'll be interesting to see what happens as people get a handle on them, but they seem pretty vulnerable from long range fire, LRMs, and tight spread srms because of the large CT.

[WANTED]

I was a narcing raven focusing on Kodiaks last night and today. It works but still seems to take more time and effort than just shooting them outright in the CT with focus fire. They still tended to walk off and get behind cover with their speed even under constant LRM barrage.

My best response has been to just my BlackJack with 4xMDL and 2xMDPLS and stay near my own Kodiaks. Then focus enemy Kodiaks down in their CT. If you find one by your self though and it's looking your way, god save you. I've died an all lights and Medium mechs without even being cored first in almost instant deaths when it fires on me. Never been so afraid of an alpha from an assault except this one.

[DONTOR]

I was actually suprised at how little leg armor people are running on them, could be a safe strategy to leg em, taking off the right torso as if you were fighting an atlas wont always work on Kodiaks.

[SeaLabCaptn]

I simply avoid playing until KDK gets quirkened. They should fall easily once the inevitable happens. I think my hibernation strategy is paying off.

Edited by SeaLabCaptn, 18 May 2016 - 08:29 AM.

[WANTED]

So far my AS7-S has been the answer to them up close. 82 point Alpha really opens up the CT and many Kodiaks seem to still think they can face tank you when they should probably take that hit to the side with arms and great torso twist speed. If I get in close, I win. Running the 3xMDLS, AC20 and 3xSRM6+A and 1 SRM4+A, then an AMS just from earler days when I had to deal with LRMs on my Atlas head in open maps. Standard 340 engine. Could have another laser if I ditched the AMS and ammo but I always have issues with overheating my mechs so....

Anyways so far I just team up with my fellow Kodiaks and focus fire em down.

[MechWarrior319348]

The head is in the mouth, snout, thingy

[Gigashot]

1. Kill it. It's really not that tanky.

2. Be in an Atlas. It's still tankier, and has comparable firepower.

3. Aim for it's huge barn door. Seriously it's CT is massive and a huge disadvantage.

4. Same strategy to kill any mech. Don't 1v1 it. Don't stand and bang with it if that isn't what your mech is built for.

5. It has lots of firepower but if its wub based they will spent half the match powered down. "omg 8 lasers *beeeeoooo* ****".

Edited by Gigashot, 18 May 2016 - 10:45 AM.

[Shakespeare]

Exploit their aggression. The high maneuverability and brutal DPS makes Kodiak pilots want to KILL KILL KILL, so get them to overcommit. That speed makes it easier for them to leave the herd and isolate themselves in pursuit. Turn that pursuit into an ambush, and use something with a lot of up-front damage. Think 'elephant gun': dual AC20 heavies or assaults, or IS SRMS with Artemis. Roll through his salvos of clan AC or lazors then Alpha that *****. He will think he has the advantage with so much firepower, but his lower up-front damage keeps the CT facing you.. and thinner internal structure will betray him.

No, I do not fear the charging Kodiak. I fear the patient Kodiak. If you cannot get him to charge, you must go to him, but open ground will get you killed. Use cover to approach and goad him into engaging your 'little' mech. Pop out of close cover, alpha, then hide again. If he ignores you, take his rear CT. If he focuses you, break line of sight. Soon his blind rage will give you the upper hand. This is how 50-70 tonners kill 100 tonners. And as a bonus, you'll get into the queue faster.

Edited by Shakespeare, 18 May 2016 - 01:12 PM.

[MechWarrior319348]

I keep popping their heads...... It almost feels unfair.

There might be something wrong with their head hitbox. I keep nailing the mouth on the kodiak (cockpit), and they just keep poppin.

[Mavairo]

Just don't stare at it, and you'll be ok.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gigashot, on 18 May 2016 - 10:37 AM, said:

1. Kill it. It's really not that tanky.

2. Be in an Atlas. It's still tankier, and has comparable firepower.

3. Aim for it's huge barn door. Seriously it's CT is massive and a huge disadvantage.

4. Same strategy to kill any mech. Don't 1v1 it. Don't stand and bang with it if that isn't what your mech is built for.

5. It has lots of firepower but if its wub based they will spent half the match powered down. "omg 8 lasers *beeeeoooo* ****".

Wait!!! but but but... I want PGI to do all the work for me!!!! You mean I gotta use...like tactics and piloting?!?!?!?!

[Mavairo]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 May 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

Wait!!! but but but... I want PGI to do all the work for me!!!! You mean I gotta use...like tactics and piloting?!?!?!?!

I know perish the thought!

(I'm tryin other mechs against the mighty Kodiak tonight. I started with the AWS...which I found to be completely ineffective..but that's to be expected..it's a trash mech lol... took my 1G BLR out and been havin a blast brawling with Kodiaks, ambushing them, using Radar Derp, and Seismic to my advantage etc lol The BLR seems to match up pretty well against them at least my STD engine BLRS do. after payday I will probably buy the Archer, and Mauler and experiment with those... 13 days away lol)

Assault to Assault, other than the AWS, and Victor the IS assault mechs I own (AWS, AS7, Victor, BLR) seem to match up well against it. Which tells me it's a pretty well balanced mech.

I am starting to suspect the Kodiak is more Heavy Murderer than anything. Which is probably where all the QQN is coming from are either horribad Atlas guys that think LRMs should be on an Atlas, or Heavy Mech pilots.

Edited by Mavairo, 18 May 2016 - 07:49 PM.

[Trauglodyte]

Chimera11, on 17 May 2016 - 09:09 PM, said:

I've encountered an unusual amount of stupidity in quick play today (even more than usual for solo queue).

In one of my matches on crimson strait, alpha and beta lances decided to chase a Spirit Bear and Cicada literally around the entire mountain. Us 4 Kodiaks in charlie were left behind to fight the other 10 enemies.

The entire team saw the collection of doritos right near us, and I called it out...but they decided to chase squirrels anyway.

In general today has not been a good day for quick play.

I said it in another thread but the Kodiak drummed up a new load of stupid from Steam. Founders were bad but not this bad. I was in a game last night where I shouted 4 times, while simultaneously tabbing all of the mechs, that we had a Kodiak lance behind us. Nobody listened and we wiped. I've seen game after game of absolute full ****** idiocy and I can't explain why. It wasn't this bad when the Warhammer was released. I guess that Steam is full of Clan kiddies that don't know anything.

As to the topic, the two strategies of killing the Kodiak are as follows:

1- bring teammates and whack them at 500m or beyond
2- drive an Atlas and laugh when you get in close

Quite frankly, the best thing to do is to take a break for another week or so and let the polish wear off. At that point, you won't have matches made up of two full lances of Kodiaks per team.

[Douglas grizzly]

stormcrow with streaks or lbx 20 works great as i used both of those methods to chop a fewq kodiaks down.

[Gyrok]

Mcgral18, on 17 May 2016 - 09:09 PM, said:

Along with twisting (and nearly turning) just as fast as Medium Mechs, but carrying twice the firepower


That's something to be cautious about (some variants more than others)

As fast as clan medium mechs without quirks and a low engine cap.

Let us not forget the context of your comparison.

By the same token, how does the KDK compare to a BK with an XL350 for torso twist mcgral?

EDIT: According to smurfy, a BK with XL350 twists at 53 deg/sec, a KDK with XL400 twists at 45 deg/sec

Edited by Gyrok, 18 May 2016 - 08:10 PM.

[Davegt27]

I think the wait strategy was the best

My Kodiaks are already starting to suck

[Novakaine]

The spirit of the bear is strong.
Running Raven's grandfather says never shoot bear in face.
You have bad day.
But kill bear from afar with many many arrows.
Skin bear, make rug and snuggle by warm fire in tepee.
Unless you have central air and heat.
Then invite warriors over for jello shots and o'dourves admire bear on floor of tepee.
Heap big fun.

Edited by Novakaine, 18 May 2016 - 08:21 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Gyrok, on 18 May 2016 - 08:03 PM, said:

As fast as clan medium mechs without quirks and a low engine cap.

Let us not forget the context of your comparison.

By the same token, how does the KDK compare to a BK with an XL350 for torso twist mcgral?

EDIT: According to smurfy, a BK with XL350 twists at 53 deg/sec, a KDK with XL400 twists at 45 deg/sec

You're looking at the wrong numbers then. Pitch is vertical, Yaw is horizontal

Kodiak with a 375 twists at 75 Deg/s, times 1.4 (35+5) for 105 Deg/s

BK has between 10 and 25% quirks, plus 5, and a 350 twists at 93 Deg/s
So, 102.3 and 120 Deg/s

Now, the Timby (or Loki or EbJag or anything at 87 Kph without quirks) twists at 105 Deg/s, for reference.

[tzeentchling9]

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I've had a much easier time dealing with kodiaks when the mode is Conquest. The Lance of bears gets isolated when their lights run off to capture points and vise versa.

Vote Conquest, Engage the lights early before bears make it to the fight and dance with them unhindered by opposing lights afterwards.

Edited by tzeentchling9, 18 May 2016 - 08:58 PM.

[DarthHias]

For me Timby works good, always be on the move,spread damage, pinpoint their CT´s.

Will try other Mechs when I have time... Warhammer could probably be good at mid-long range.

Cicada 3M also worked good, classic hulldown harrasing from the sides and behind. Stay out of reach of course

In short: Fight it like you fight an assault Mech. (Many of those are pretty fast these days)