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[Bishop Steiner]

Roadkill, on 24 May 2016 - 12:42 PM, said:

No, they don't. Not relative to each other.

Each tournament creates its own special environment. Take the KDK-3 out during the Viper release tournament and see how well you do. (Hint: it probably won't be good.) Or take a quint-AC/5 MX90 out during the Kodiak craze and lay waste at range... does that make the MX90 even more OP than the KDK-3? (Hint: no, it's just perfectly suited to killing KDK-3s at range.)

Vipers are going to score lower than Kodiaks because a) they carry less firepower, there will be fewer damage points on the battlefield available to harvest, and c) they're fast movers and so are harder to hit.

About the only thing you can get from a tournament is what Doman Hugin posted - the relative strengths of the variants within the chassis. Even that isn't perfect, though, because as with the KDK-3 sometimes one variant is particularly well suited to killing the chassis in general. Take a KDK-3 and a KDK-1 into the Viper tournament and I suspect the KDK-1 will perform better. It's just easier to hit a fast mover with lasers than with UACs.

People want the tournament results to mean something, but they don't because the results aren't created in the same environments.

there's a reason I put that guy on ignore a long time ago. Brick Wall Syndrome.

[Fang01]

Felio, on 23 May 2016 - 12:22 PM, said:

Yeah, Russ has been completely silent on the Kodiak postrelease. I'm not sure what that means or if it means anything. I am sure he has an abundance of tweets about it to reply to, if he so chose.

All he said prerelease is that the laserboats didn't get quirks because duh, and they would get quirks later if they needed them.

Anyway, I think they are done with giving mechs negative quirks. They got rid of them in the TBR, and I don't think any remain. Negative quirks aren't fun.

from the number of folks that bought em hes likely doing blow on some ******'s back somewhere. Give him a bit, then tell him we want our damn Stingers

[Dawnstealer]

Fang01, on 24 May 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

from the number of folks that bought em hes likely doing blow on some ******'s back somewhere. Give him a bit, then tell him we want our damn Stingers

You spelled "Hatchetman" wrong, Fang.

[Bishop Steiner]

Dawnstealer, on 24 May 2016 - 01:09 PM, said:

You spelled "Hatchetman" wrong, Fang.

Duane Loose's very first battlemech design. Circa 1984. And IMO the most interesting design, visually in the entire 3025 TRO.

[LastKhan]

I kinda fear the wave of pleb tears will be on the Night Gyr next if it does perform too well as speculated. Too much whining and not enough adapting and overcome. Maybe, people should stop for a few seconds and say; "hey, perhaps i shouldnt face a 100 ton death machine head on and eat bullets like a fat man on tacos." People's lack of situational awareness astounds me.

[Bishop Steiner]

LastKhan, on 24 May 2016 - 01:57 PM, said:

I kinda fear the wave of pleb tears will be on the Night Gyr next if it does perform too well as speculated. Too much whining and not enough adapting and overcome. Maybe, people should stop for a few seconds and say; "hey, perhaps i shouldnt face a 100 ton death machine head on and eat bullets like a fat man on tacos." People's lack of situational awareness astounds me.

true, though I expect that aside form bads who stare at everything, the truth of the advantage of 90 kph for the TBRs success will become apparent. 69 kph is not that inspriring on non Sniper Mechs, IMO.

[Darth Hotz]

So...

If a non Kodiak player goes face to face with a Kodiak and dies, the non Kodiak player is a stupid moron of the underhive and his defeat is well deserved.

If a Kodiak player goes face to face with a non Kodiak player and dies, the Kodiak player is still awesome and just a victim of a broken center hitbox that needs to be fixed.

I totally agree on that and i also think that it must be the awesome skill of the Kodiak 3 players that they are above and beyond any other Kodiaks in the leaderboard. For sure it has nothing to do with the special combination of agility, speed and firepower of this particular mech. It is just skill and tactics that make these players so good. That special skill that is needed to doubletap your mousebutton 10 times to score 800 damage. With the need of skill like this, the Kodiak 3 is one of the biggest improvement to extend the TTK, to increase the fun for all players and the best weapon ever to fight the shrinking playerbase.

Any one claiming different is a heretic, a potato, an onion or just a plain idiot that needs to git gud.

[LastKhan]

Darth Hotz, on 24 May 2016 - 02:37 PM, said:

So...

If a non Kodiak player goes face to face with a Kodiak and dies, the non Kodiak player is a stupid moron of the underhive and his defeat is well deserved.

If a Kodiak player goes face to face with a non Kodiak player and dies, the Kodiak player is still awesome and just a victim of a broken center hitbox that needs to be fixed.

I totally agree on that and i also think that it must be the awesome skill of the Kodiak 3 players that they are above and beyond any other Kodiaks in the leaderboard. For sure it has nothing to do with the special combination of agility, speed and firepower of this particular mech. It is just skill and tactics that make these players so good. That special skill that is needed to doubletap your mousebutton 10 times to score 800 damage. With the need of skill like this, the Kodiak 3 is one of the biggest improvement to extend the TTK, to increase the fun for all players and the best weapon ever to fight the shrinking playerbase.

Any one claiming different is a heretic, a potato, an onion or just a plain idiot that needs to git gud.

Yup, just git gud pleb. thats what im totally getting at. Nailed it 10/10.

What im getting at is im tired of the oh its OP cause of its quirks when they are just abysmal and only one of the kodiaks is this huge boogyman for players. Instead of screaming "OP" and "pay2win" maybe actually be reasonable and come up with a better solution backing with the actual numbers. The 3 does well cause of its ability to boat UAC 10s. Maybe nerfing the weapon slightly like a longer CD or jam chance could suffice. They plan on fixing the hitboxes a bit as well so it wont hurt it too much.

Edited by LastKhan, 24 May 2016 - 02:52 PM.

[Mcgral18]

LastKhan, on 24 May 2016 - 01:57 PM, said:

I kinda fear the wave of pleb tears will be on the Night Gyr next if it does perform too well as speculated. Too much whining and not enough adapting and overcome. Maybe, people should stop for a few seconds and say; "hey, perhaps i shouldnt face a 100 ton death machine head on and eat bullets like a fat man on tacos." People's lack of situational awareness astounds me.

A 75 ton mech less agile than the 100 ton mech?

With worse mounts?


Not too worried about that one. It should be alright, and likely won't get quirks (but, see Cheetah and Kodiak)

Edited by Mcgral18, 24 May 2016 - 02:56 PM.

[LastKhan]

Mcgral18, on 24 May 2016 - 02:56 PM, said:

A 75 ton mech less agile than the 100 ton mech?

With worse mounts?


Not too worried about that one. It should be alright, and likely won't get quirks (but, see Cheetah and Kodiak)

Its just speculative so yea maybe so. But you know there will be at least that one person.

[Jackal Noble]

Kodiak's not getting nerfed. The end is nigh!

[Bishop Steiner]

Mcgral18, on 24 May 2016 - 02:56 PM, said:

A 75 ton mech less agile than the 100 ton mech?

With worse mounts?


Not too worried about that one. It should be alright, and likely won't get quirks (but, see Cheetah and Kodiak)

Um, one thing we do tend to agree on is Quirks are like Crack for PGI... you know it's gonna get quirks. They resisted for the Origins... and that is about as much credit as I'll give.

JackalBeast, on 24 May 2016 - 03:25 PM, said:

Kodiak's not getting nerfed. The end is nigh!

that looks uncomfortable

[Afuldan McKronik]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 May 2016 - 03:27 PM, said:

Um, one thing we do tend to agree on is Quirks are like Crack for PGI... you know it's gonna get quirks. They resisted for the Origins... and that is about as much credit as I'll give.


that looks uncomfortable

The P2W crowd would have been in full force, and maybe not unjustified MAYBE if the JennyIIC and HunchieIIC had gotten quirks out of the gate. They are solid mechs. The Orion and Highlander are the ones that most decent players can agree on that need some lovins. But this also ties back to using quirks as a balancing act instead of hitboxes, decoupling agility from speed, sizing mechs properly, hardpoints, and all of that.

[beerandasmoke]

Well TwinkyOverlord, the winner of the KDK-3 contest, says it needs a nerf. Thats just the KDK-3 and not the rest of the variants. I would say he is probably the closest thing we have to a KDK-3 expert. Probably be wise to listen to him. Heres the link to the reddit thread.

https://www.reddit.c...5k_leaderboard/

[Zerberus]

I honestly think the kodiaks I´ve seen as a T2 are just fine.

They fall over just like everything else, and they kill me just like everything else. I feel very little on the defensive side to be significantly more powerful than any Atlas. I honestly believe they´re fine at this time.

Maybe that Opinion will change, but considering being the only non-kodiak in who knows how many matches, I have my doubts......

I spent more or less the entire weekend farming cbills w/premium time and my LRM45 /4 cMPL Whk-Prime(I). Bested who knows how many in Brawls, melted ungodly amounts with the LRMs, earned enough for 3 Jenner IIcs, and to replace and kit out the 2 Phoenix Locusts and shadowhawk that I at some point sold for c-bills in a moment of juvenile idiocy.

I did see a significant amount of not terribad LRM builds, which was interestingly refreshing.... Mostly on Spirit Bears, which was unexpected...

*edit* cant figure out how to attach an image to the post... I have 2 screenshots that were a typical match that I wanted to clip on....

Edited by Zerberus, 24 May 2016 - 05:40 PM.

[Mystere]

LastKhan, on 24 May 2016 - 02:51 PM, said:

Yup, just git gud pleb. thats what im totally getting at. Nailed it 10/10.

What im getting at is im tired of the oh its OP cause of its quirks when they are just abysmal and only one of the kodiaks is this huge boogyman for players. Instead of screaming "OP" and "pay2win" maybe actually be reasonable and come up with a better solution backing with the actual numbers. The 3 does well cause of its ability to boat UAC 10s. Maybe nerfing the weapon slightly like a longer CD or jam chance could suffice. They plan on fixing the hitboxes a bit as well so it wont hurt it too much.

If something is not OP, then just say it is not OP. Issuing a caveat like the one underlined above is just asking for trouble. The caveat is not only not necessary, it is dangerous and might accomplish exactly what you do not want to happen.

[Mystere]

Fade Akira, on 23 May 2016 - 05:14 PM, said:

The KDK-3 is slightly OP, its simple as that. It needs a nerf. I don't care how they do it, but the fun is over i am afraid, as with any new OP release.

Ok, I've finally had it with these "XXX is OP! Nerf it NAO!!!" whines.

Do you want to convince people? Then show us the bloody, gory math. Come on. We can take it.

Oh! By the way, I want my old jump jets back, and I don't give a flying **** if the poptart PTSD suffering whiners start crying again.

Fade Akira, on 23 May 2016 - 05:42 PM, said:

However, people unwilling or unable to buy them, causes discord and resentment because they are OP and seeing 5 or 6 kodiaks against you every match, or trying to attacka aposition defended by 4 kodiaks in CW, quickly gets old....

Oh, I'm very sure their "new shiny" status and the event to match had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Edited by Mystere, 25 May 2016 - 06:48 AM.

[Mystere]

Dudeman3k, on 23 May 2016 - 05:33 PM, said:

why does the KDK have quirks when the IIC dont? im just in awe with this one.

I really don't understand why people think it is a good idea to "fix" something by lowering it to the level of something that sucks. <smh>

And no, I do not own any Kodiaks. But, I do have a wonderful collection of bear rugs courtesy of my JR7-IIC-2 and JR7-IIC-3. <shrugs>

1453 R, on 23 May 2016 - 05:42 PM, said:

Remember - there's, like, twelve Kodiaks in every match. There's a lot more metal to kill, more damage to be scored, and just generally more points to be had. Yeah, comparatively the KDK-3 is still doing better, but keep the overinflated top-heavy nature of the event weekend in mind.

Why? It's the absolutely perfect excuse and opportunity to massively whine about the KDK.

Hit the Deck, on 23 May 2016 - 07:25 PM, said:

EDIT: I think everyone agrees that Kodiaks shouldn't have been released with positive quirks attached.

Count me out of that list. My Jenners can't stop giggling.

Edited by Mystere, 24 May 2016 - 08:15 PM.

[LastKhan]

Mystere, on 24 May 2016 - 07:49 PM, said:

If something is not OP, then just say it is not OP. Issuing a caveat like the one underlined above is just asking for trouble. The caveat is not only not necessary, it is dangerous and might accomplish exactly what you do not want to happen.

Meh whatever, just coming to a middle ground and at the point where im just going to drop it all together its beyond derptarded.

Edited by LastKhan, 24 May 2016 - 09:39 PM.

[N0MAD]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 May 2016 - 11:41 AM, said:

Chicken Littles wont stop until the KDK3 is nerfed into obscurity, so since we know it's going to happen, can we just get it done with?

And since we know PGI can't do anything without going to extremes, just get ready for it to be worthless.

Dont worry Bishop, it will be nerfed when it comes out for C Bills as is custom.
But while people pay for it as it is, OP, it will stay as it is so you can pad your stats, i mean you did pay $ for it..
PGI wont upset their whales.