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[Samedi Wretch]

So if I could run an arm mounted AC20 w/ 3x LPLs with a large XL in an IS chassis, preferably 80-85 tons, I don't know if I'd every pick another mech. There are many mechs that can come close, but are missing some aspect of this. Mauler and Misery have torso balistic mounts, and low engine caps... Victor doesn't have enough energy hardpoints in the variants that can arm mount the AC... Jager can do it, sort of, but just doesn't have the tonnage to equip a large engine (i.e., it's slow). A King Crab can also sort of do it, but that really isn't quite enough firepower for a 100 ton-er.

Anyone else think this should be in the game? Or what am I missing?

Edited by samadhiVOID, 06 June 2016 - 10:58 AM.

[Bud Crue]

Can a Zeus 5s do it? I don't remember if an AC/20 fits in the arm ballistic hardpoint or not?

Actually I don't think it can, otherwise I would probably run it instead off the AC10.

Edited by Bud Crue, 06 June 2016 - 11:06 AM.

[Samedi Wretch]

Yeah, Zeus' all have lower arm actuators. Another example of a chassis that can almost do it.

[wanderer]

If MWO had gotten the construction rules right, you'd already be able to split-mount an AC/20 on a Battlemaster. Of course, that'd also mean the AC in question would fire on the torso crosshair.

[Samedi Wretch]

I'd be fine with that. I'm only looking for an arm mount so I can fit an XL.

[LordNothing]

the king crab isnt that bad, it can get up to 62kph with speed tweak, and i think anything over 60 is fast for an assault. its certainly fast for a king crab (most of my builds come in < 50kph).

if you go with a bansh 3e you can get up to 64.2 with a 350 std with some caveats (no sinks, 4 tons ammo, and no shield arm armor). i dont think it would be very effective though, because of the lack of sinkage/ammo. you can trade a ton of ammo, put on ff and get 2 sinks in the engine, which doesnt seem like much of improvement. you can drop its speed down to king crab level (std 335ish) and then have ammo and cooling, and some shield arm armor. the banshee is more agile though so it might be worth a try.

that said what you want would be really useful. i still want a quad ballistic is with well distributed hardpoints. that is one each arm and one each torso. capable of an is quad 10 build of course.

[wanderer]

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I'd be fine with that. I'm only looking for an arm mount so I can fit an XL.

Notably, the same construction option allows you to split mount an AC/20 between adjacent torsos. (Or LB-20X, for that matter)

This means a 9 crits in ST+1 CT AC/20 is perfectly viable in tabletop, but MWOs construction system derps at the idea here.

[Samedi Wretch]

If you allocate 42 tons to weapons (35 tons), ammo (3-4 tons) and heat sinks (3-4 tons), and stripped most of the armor from an arm on an 85 ton mech, you can fit an XL 360 and go 73.8kph with tweak. In an 80 tonner, that works out to an XL 335 and 72.9kph with tweak. Obviously if you want/need full armor, you'll be a little slower but you can still hit 70. To me, that combination of speed and focused firepower is better than trying to run it on a Banshee or K. Crab or Mauler for that matter. That being said, the banshee build looks pretty good to me with about a Std 340.

Edited by samadhiVOID, 06 June 2016 - 12:33 PM.

[zagibu]

Seems there is no mech who can pull off that build besides the KGC-0000

[Tarogato]

I'm going through all the mechs I can find right now to see if there's any mechs that fit the bill for can mount both XL and AC/20


Guillotine GLT-6WB2 ----- can mount ballistic in right arm, with room for AC/20. But out of timeline. There are two variants within timeline, though, so PGI could be inventive with further variants.

Highlander HGN-694 ---- can fit AC/20 in right arm, but out of timeline (comes stock with heavy gauss)

Victor VTR-10L ---- can fit AC/20 in right arm, but out of timeline (stock with ERML but easy swap to ML)

Victor VTR-9B-Shoji ---- can mount AC/20 in right arm, it's in timeline.

Bombard BMB-010 --- it's a 50-ton chassis that comes stock with an AC/20 in each arm. LOL.

Colossus CL-P3 --- stock mounts AC/20 in the center torso, split crits to left torso but enough room for XL.

Hachiwara HCA-3T --- can mount AC/20 in left arm, but out of timeline (stock ultra-10, ERML)

Paladin PAL-1 --- can mount AC/20 left arm, stock with 7 MGs, but only one variant in timeline.

Rakshasa MDG-2A --- AC/20 in left arm, but stock with RAC/5 boo timeline

War Dog WR-DG-03FC --- can mount AC/20 in the CT with split crits, but it's sooooooo out of timeline.

Nightstar NSR-9SS --- can mount AC/20 in both arms, but timeline (stock UAC/20 and LB-20)

Shootist ST-8A --- mounts a stock AC/20 in left arm AND IT'S IN TIMELINE. Boom, there's your mech. Maybe.

Sunder --- this is an almost in-timeline IS omnimech that can mount AC/20 in a left arm. Stock XL360, not bad.

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That covers most mechs up to 3060. I haven't checked if any of these can also mount 3x LPL, but I know the VTR-9B-Shoji in fact can. I don't know anything about that mech, though, whether it would be considered a Hero variant, or what...

Edited by Tarogato, 06 June 2016 - 04:02 PM.

[Samedi Wretch]

Hey thanks for the info Tarogato! The shoji sounds great and I hope we see the Sunder ASAP. I loved loading that thing up with as many LBX's as would fit in mw4.

[Brimbooze]

zagibu, on 06 June 2016 - 02:26 PM, said:

Seems there is no mech who can pull off that build besides the KGC-0000

Wouldn't it be better to put the AC in the same side as the LPLs, that way you have a shield arm?

[JayVrb]

My Victor build has lower actuators for the 20 and energy. I modified it a bit to drop the AMS and add Artemis to the SRM-4's but I don't have the link.

[Dogstar]

CNT-YLW

[Metus regem]

wanderer, on 06 June 2016 - 11:38 AM, said:

Notably, the same construction option allows you to split mount an AC/20 between adjacent torsos. (Or LB-20X, for that matter)

This means a 9 crits in ST+1 CT AC/20 is perfectly viable in tabletop, but MWOs construction system derps at the idea here.

It's also why we can't have nice things like mech mounted Arrow IV, Sniper, Long-Tom or Thumper artillery....

[Metus regem]

samadhiVOID, on 06 June 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

Hey thanks for the info Tarogato! The shoji sounds great and I hope we see the Sunder ASAP. I loved loading that thing up with as many LBX's as would fit in mw4.

You do know that the Sunder has a hard locked 360XL because it is an Omni-mech right?'

So what we know about the Sunder:

90T omni-mech

16.5t of Standard Armour
Standard Structure (9t)
360XL (16.5t)
15 DHS (5t)
4t gyro
3t cockpit


90-(16.5+16.5+5+9+4+3)= 36t for weapons and equipment

Did I mention she would have barndooriteus, also known as Awesome Syndrome?

I'm not sure people are really aware what she will likely be like, with out knowing what it's like in TT....

[Nyte Kitsune]

Bud Crue, on 06 June 2016 - 11:05 AM, said:

Can a Zeus 5s do it? I don't remember if an AC/20 fits in the arm ballistic hardpoint or not?

Actually I don't think it can, otherwise I would probably run it instead off the AC10.

Nope, Zeus's Arm ballistic mount won't allow an AC 20 (Has a lower arm actuator), Gauss yes, AC 20 no. But it comes close.

[Prc]

I know it isn't the same but i have a Banshee 3E like that (3x LPL, AC20) but torso only sadly

[Thejuggla]

Metus regem, on 07 June 2016 - 07:43 AM, said:

You do know that the Sunder has a hard locked 360XL because it is an Omni-mech right?'

So what we know about the Sunder:

90T omni-mech

16.5t of Standard Armour
Standard Structure (9t)
360XL (16.5t)
15 DHS (5t)
4t gyro
3t cockpit


90-(16.5+16.5+5+9+4+3)= 36t for weapons and equipment

Did I mention she would have barndooriteus, also known as Awesome Syndrome?

I'm not sure people are really aware what she will likely be like, with out knowing what it's like in TT....

Butbut I hear locked equiptment balances out the onmi advantages

[Metus regem]

Thejuggla, on 07 June 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Butbut I hear locked equiptment balances out the onmi advantages

On Clan mechs, maybe and only maybe on the good ones.. oh wait, the good ones don't have locked equipment... They also don't have IS-XL engines....


With out some way or another to mitigate the pin-point alpha strike damage that some mechs put out, the Sunder would be deader than a legged blue team Locust sitting in the middle of the Red Team if and when the Sunder ever gets here.