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[Garfuncle]

Needs to go. Gasp! Horror! You might say but if we live in a world of 3lpls I don't see why projectile PPCs which have more heat are limited to 2 while their beam cousin dominates with the 3 limit. Yes, I know about the Gauss combo, but the lpls combo better with mls at the moment leaving their PPC brothers in the dustbin.

Edited by Procurator Derek, 09 June 2016 - 10:10 PM.

[Steve Pryde]

Garfuncle, on 08 June 2016 - 07:22 AM, said:

Needs to go. Gasp! Horror! You might say but if we live in a world of 3lpls I don't see why projectile PPCs which have more heat are limited to 2 while their beam cousin dominates with the 3 limit. Yes, I know about the Gauss combo, but the lpls combo better with mls at the moment leaving their PPC brothers in the dustbin.

Especially with the stock Awesome that runs with 3 PPCs...

[Damien Tokala]

yeah the heat on PPCs needs to be dropped by 50%

[Dashia]

Either heat drop, no splash just pinpoint DMG, or a DMG increase. For 8 heat and 10 DMG that spreads,its just to hot to balance out.

[Damien Tokala]

honestly the splash should be even to all parts. 5 damage to the front, and both side torso for its intended 15 points.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Yeah! YEAH!

Drop PPC ghost heat all together...
Drop heat by 90%...
Increase velocity by 300%...
Make it take up only 1 crit slot and weigh 1 ton...

Yeah...Yeah, That's It...That's The Ticket!

[ColdPsyker1]

Garfuncle, on 08 June 2016 - 07:22 AM, said:

Needs to go. Gasp! Horror! You might say but if we live in a world of 3lpls I don't see why projectile PPCs which have more heat are limited to 2 while their beam cousin dominates with the 3 limit. Yes, I know about the Gauss combo, but the lpls combo better with mls at the moment leaving their PPC brothers in the dustbin.

Just keep repeating to yourself:

"I dont know what I am talking about when it comes to balance"

"I should be thankful to Russ for even bothering to make this game in the first place"

"I would like to buy a mech pack"

[Davis Carlyle]

ColdPsyker1, on 08 June 2016 - 07:49 AM, said:

Just keep repeating to yourself:

"I dont know what I am talking about when it comes to balance"

"I should be thankful to Russ for even bothering to make this game in the first place"

"I would like to buy a mech pack"

"Please give me more C-Bills"

"Please give me more C-Bills"

"Please give me more C-Bills"

[Escef]

Garfuncle, on 08 June 2016 - 07:22 AM, said:

Needs to go. Gasp! Horror! You might say but if we live in a world of 3lpls I don't see why projectile PPCs which have more heat are limited to 2 while their beam cousin dominates with the 3 limit. Yes, I know about the Gauss combo, but the lpls combo better with mls at the moment leaving their PPC brothers in the dustbin.

Because the PPC damage is front loaded. There is no beam duration, so you expose your mech for a very limited window.

I've heard of people doing evil things with jump-sniping Summoners with twin ERPPCs and a big TC. Hell, if the Summoner were a more min-maxed chassis (like the Timby or Ebon Jag), it would likely have a bigger effect on the game. The Summoner Prime Right Arm has a 30% velocity buff for ERPPCs. The Mk VII TC grants a 35% projectile speed bonus, which modifies the projectile speed of the ERPPC to 2145 m/s, faster than a Gauss round. No ammo dependency, no exploding weapon, no charging the gun; just hop up, throw some lightning, and drop down. With only 2 ERPPCs it's a bit on the abusive side, but not OP. If the Summoner had endosteel and/or could remove extra jets to free up more tonnage for a third ERPPC the thing would be a nightmare.

Edited by Escef, 08 June 2016 - 08:52 AM.

[Triordinant]

Thread title's wrong. PPC limit is two, not three. Maybe that's why you experience so much heat.

[KHETTI]

50% reduction of heat for cERPPCs!, yeah my Adder Prime would be utterly OP if this happened, and that's a Badder we are talking about, imagine what could be done with say a mech like the Stalker.
6 PPC Stalker would be brutal, oh wait we've already done that and it didn't work out well.

Some of you need to stop requesting/making suggestions about balance, as you are the very people that PGI have a tendency to listen to, and that's why balance has always been an issue.
Bottom line, YOU ARE CLUELESS AND DON'T UNDERSTAND BALANCE.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Damien Tokala, on 08 June 2016 - 07:41 AM, said:

honestly the splash should be even to all parts. 5 damage to the front, and both side torso for its intended 15 points.

Yeah... pretty sure I wouldn't bother with CERPPC if that were the case. I'd probably swap my 2CERPPC+6SPL build for 6MPL+2 flamers or something.

KHETTI, on 08 June 2016 - 09:19 AM, said:

50% reduction of heat for cERPPCs!, yeah my Adder Prime would be utterly OP if this happened, and that's a Badder we are talking about, imagine what could be done with say a mech like the Stalker. 6 PPC Stalker would be brutal, oh wait we've already done that and it didn't work out well. Some of you need to stop requesting/making suggestions about balance, as you are the very people that PGI have a tendency to listen to, and that's why balance has always been an issue. Bottom line, YOU ARE CLUELESS AND DON'T UNDERSTAND BALANCE.

Granted that was when a 60 damage alpha was massive, PPCs weren't slower than a ketamine addicted turtle, and even then the 4PPC stalker was way more common and typically more useful.

[BigBenn]

The PPC's need a 3 max limit for ghost heat. Large lasers need a TWO max, ML's FOUR max, and SL FIVE.

PPC's could use a 50% velocity tweak (the Warhammer's +50%) is about perfect for the base velocity. Get it up to gauss speed and we're where it needs to be.

[Moldur]

This thread gave me the idea to strip my (L) nova and put 2 ppcs on it. It is only basic'd but I got about 750 damage in the one match I played with it.

This isn't a point at all, just thought I would share. It was pretty fun.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Damien Tokala, on 08 June 2016 - 07:33 AM, said:

yeah the heat on PPCs needs to be dropped by 50%

So that it can compete with a broke system that allows us to alpha obscene numbers of weapons repeatedly. PPCs are not meant to be alpha'd in huge numbers. We had 50% PPC heat, it was pretty much OP as ****, TDR9S anyone?

PPCs are supposed to be punchy, chain fired weapons.

[Scout Derek]

hey, OP, the limit is two, not three.

[Trauglodyte]

Steve Pryde, on 08 June 2016 - 07:27 AM, said:

Especially with the stock Awesome that runs with 3 PPCs...

But but but, the stock Awesome 8Q and 9M are supposed to fire 3 then 2 then 2 then rinse and repeat. That THREE COULD be 2 followed by 1 after 0.5 seconds. Amirite???

[cazidin]

Scout Derek, on 08 June 2016 - 05:43 PM, said:

hey, OP, the limit is two, not three.

Though it IS the OPs responsibility to fix this, can't you? Not getting lazy, are we?

[Scout Derek]

cazidin, on 08 June 2016 - 06:06 PM, said:

Though it IS the OPs responsibility to fix this, can't you? Not getting lazy, are we?

No, but moreover lazy OP. I'll change it on a bit if he doesn't.

[cazidin]

Scout Derek, on 08 June 2016 - 06:15 PM, said:

No, but moreover lazy OP. I'll change it on a bit if he doesn't.

Well, should his lethargy win the day, then thank you. He'll probably be too lazy to thank you himself.