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[TercieI]

NoiseCrypt, on 19 June 2016 - 08:05 AM, said:

About the Griffin.
No XLs. They are to "fragile". IS XLs in mediums work best when you have a non-humanoid mech.

I mastered them all with ML, SRM loadouts. ( Maybe MPL for the Sparky and some variation)

The most important thing with 'large" mediums is to understand their role as support mechs.
Stick with some heavies or assaults, which will be your mobile cover. You have the speed and agility to break of on your own if an opurtunity presents itself , but only do it when you are confident in being able to beat whatever you are chasing/ambushing.

This is bad advice. They're run in high level comp and they're all XLs. Twist and jump and shield with the arms.

Still waiting on JC...which builds?

Edited by TercieI, 19 June 2016 - 09:02 AM.

[Rogue Jedi]

NoiseCrypt, on 19 June 2016 - 08:05 AM, said:

About the Griffin.
No XLs. They are to "fragile". IS XLs in mediums work best when you have a non-humanoid mech.

TercieI, on 19 June 2016 - 08:58 AM, said:

This is terrible advice. They're run in high level comp and they're all XLs.

I agree, never use an XL in a Griffin is bad advice, however the Griffin is much more durable with a standard engine, but the Sparky, 1S and 2N can run well with an XL, mostly because the weapons are spread across the Mech.

The 1N and 3M are way better with standard engines, because almost all your firepower is on the right side you can sacrifice the left arm and left torso yet remain fully combat effective, then with the damage reduction mechanic and the griffins excellent hitboxes for shielding with arm or side torso they can tank more damage than most heavy Mechs if you use a standard engine.

[TercieI]

Rogue Jedi, on 19 June 2016 - 09:18 AM, said:

I agree, never use an XL in a Griffin is bad advice, however the Griffin is much more durable with a standard engine, but the Sparky, 1S and 2N can run well with an XL, mostly because the weapons are spread across the Mech.

The 1N and 3M are way better with standard engines, because almost all your firepower is on the right side you can sacrifice the left arm and left torso yet remain fully combat effective, then with the damage reduction mechanic and the griffins excellent hitboxes for shielding with arm or side torso they can tank more damage than most heavy Mechs if you use a standard engine.

You're more survivable with an XL if you know how to move and twist. In these high-alpha days, speed and agility are better defenses than armor or zombie ability. Even on the 3M, it's almost exclusively an XL mech. ASRM16, MLs/Flamers and XL300-350 depending, JJs to taste/trade secret.

[Rogue Jedi]

TercieI, on 19 June 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

You're more survivable with an XL if you know how to move and twist. In these high-alpha days, speed and agility are better defenses than armor or zombie ability. Even on the 3M, it's almost exclusively an XL mech. ASRM16, MLs/Flamers and XL300-350 depending, JJs to taste/trade secret.

I have tried that sort of thing but I have always found this build to be more effective, the extra durability from the Standard to me is far more valuable in the Griffin, in most other Mediums ^{(not including the HBK)} I would agree with you but not the GRF, we will just have to agree to disagree

[TercieI]

Rogue Jedi, on 19 June 2016 - 09:31 AM, said:

I have tried that sort of thing but I have always found this build to be more effective, the extra durability from the Standard to me is far more valuable in the Griffin, in most other Mediums ^{(not including the HBK)} I would agree with you but not the GRF, we will just have to agree to disagree

I don't agree to that.

32% heat on a brawler? Woof. That's painful.

[Rogue Jedi]

TercieI, on 19 June 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

I don't agree to that.

32% heat on a brawler? Woof. That's painful.

the lasers are just there for longer range work, I do not use the missiles and lasers together, and do not fire all 4 tubes at once ether, I stagger them 2 then 2 then twist until the missiles are reloaded, I have usually killed the target before I start running hot.

[NoiseCrypt]

TercieI, on 19 June 2016 - 08:58 AM, said:

This is bad advice. They're run in high level comp and they're all XLs. Twist and jump and shield with the arms.

Still waiting on JC...which builds?

This is bad advice unless your only doing comp group drops. Follow my advice for PUG play.

[TercieI]

NoiseCrypt, on 19 June 2016 - 01:01 PM, said:

This is bad advice unless your only doing comp group drops. Follow my advice for PUG play.

Not really. PUGs are more forgiving and more rewarding of speed-as-defense. I'd actually consider a STD in some comp situations, but would never bother in a PUG. I know how to twist and hop.

[NoiseCrypt]

TercieI, on 19 June 2016 - 01:24 PM, said:

Not really. PUGs are more forgiving and more rewarding of speed-as-defense. I'd actually consider a STD in some comp situations, but would never bother in a PUG. I know how to twist and hop.

Good for you.
To OP. Disregard all my advice and play like a tier 1 pro

[Audacious Aubergine]

I was pretty hopeless in a Dire Wolf until I got them at least basic'd up. For -the- 100t damage vomiting monster, I sure wasn't vomiting a lot of damage on a regular basis. Didn't help that it was even less agile than a non-skilled King Crab so I just got focus fired to death from the other side of the map

[JC Daxion]

TercieI, on 19 June 2016 - 08:58 AM, said:

Still waiting on JC...which builds?

Ohh sorry.. didn't notice.. But griffin is the typical SRM6 build with ML's, But i decided to try an ER PPC+ qaud ASRM4's instead for a bit.. You know PUG life.. so often do people not wanna move into brawl range.. which is probably part of the issue. You know, 4 kodiaks on a team, and no one wants to even get with-in 400m of the other guys

My sparky is an MPL+LL build, the LL's were just not doing it for me, felt like my Jester build, with less armor. So i swapped to a single ERPPC+MPL's I dunno.. maybe i'll find my grove with it


my Blackjack builds are all long range types, ERLL's with some SL's,, LPL's+machine guns and a 2AC2 + 4ML.. though yesterday i did not have much luck with um.. I kept getting dropped with T1's.. Grinding New mechs, and such left me with a bad day..


I dunno, i used to be a much better IS medium pilot, but i think i've spent so much time in my timber, and EXE for the last 6 months i've lost my mojo

Edited by JC Daxion, 19 June 2016 - 03:48 PM.

[Boulangerie]

I just got the Griffons when Sparky was on sale. Do pretty good with that one since I'm practiced LL pilot on my CN9-AL.

My first match with the 2N was on Alpine and I got 800 dmg and 3 solo kills. With SRMs.

Keep playing them.

[TercieI]

JC Daxion, on 19 June 2016 - 03:44 PM, said:

Ohh sorry.. didn't notice.. But griffin is the typical SRM6 build with ML's, But i decided to try an ER PPC+ qaud ASRM4's instead for a bit.. You know PUG life.. so often do people not wanna move into brawl range.. which is probably part of the issue. You know, 4 kodiaks on a team, and no one wants to even get with-in 400m of the other guys

My sparky is an MPL+LL build, the LL's were just not doing it for me, felt like my Jester build, with less armor. So i swapped to a single ERPPC+MPL's I dunno.. maybe i'll find my grove with it


my Blackjack builds are all long range types, ERLL's with some SL's,, LPL's+machine guns and a 2AC2 + 4ML.. though yesterday i did not have much luck with um.. I kept getting dropped with T1's.. Grinding New mechs, and such left me with a bad day..


I dunno, i used to be a much better IS medium pilot, but i think i've spent so much time in my timber, and EXE for the last 6 months i've lost my mojo

Which Blackjacks you got?

[SlightlyMobileTurret]

TercieI, on 19 June 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

I don't agree to that.

32% heat on a brawler? Woof. That's painful.

Dont forget that RT..

That's like, 100% explosion chance if your armour is removed from the RT.

What a waste of the 3M's structure quirks.

[JC Daxion]

TercieI, on 19 June 2016 - 05:42 PM, said:

Which Blackjacks you got?

1, 1X, Arrow, builds basically follow the quirks

[TercieI]

JC Daxion, on 19 June 2016 - 06:14 PM, said:

1, 1X, Arrow, builds basically follow the quirks

Try 6ML&2MPL, XL295 on the 1X, either 3LPL or 3LL/2LPL&6MG on the Arrow and I guess I'd run 2 AC/2s on the 1. That 1X build is a monster, use your speed to nip at edges.

Edited by TercieI, 19 June 2016 - 06:36 PM.

[JC Daxion]

I do have a 295 hiding some place.. I will try it..

[Spheroid]

Are you asking for Blackjack advice or Griffin advice? Its not clear to me.