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[smokytehbear]

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Suppose you get into a match, do a bit of damage to a few different mechs, then die. Upon dying you press Esc and exit the match. What C-bills/XP do you get from this?

Does anyone know for sure how this works? I've heard people tell me both ways, and was fairly confident myself that you absolutely still got credit for everything. However I just bought a brand new mech, this kind of match happened and a few minutes later back on the main screen I have 0 XP on it, no more C-bills (I believe, can't be entirely sure though), but the x2 multiplier for the first win of the day is gone. So obviously the match is over, and it registered it as a win, but I appear to have not gotten anything. Is this working as intended? Maybe there's some post from PGI on the forums (can't search), some comment when about to leave the match after dying (nope), some tutorial message somewhere in game, or literally anything anywhere that can explain how this works?

Apologies if this comes across as rage, just a little tired how hidden all the mechanics of the game are and realizing I may have missed out on millions of C-bills without having a clue I was apparently doing something wrong.



SEE THIS POST MADE IN THIS THREAD FOR PGI'S OFFICIAL RESPONSE

SkavenDC, on 28 June 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

So, to quote my boss, "I took the bull by the horns" and contacted PGI on this issue. My boss is the cliche king btw.

Anway, Bobby Jubraj, Technical Support Representative @ Piranha Games contacted me back with an answer.

My original question.

When you die in a match and ultimately leave before the match is over (but defiantly after you die), do you still receive full rewards on events that take place after you leave? I am referring specifically to assists or KMDDs. Rewards you would have earned anyway had you stayed. Example. You strip an Atlas down from fresh to cherry red everything and no arms and then you die. You leave the match and then someone else kills it with a machine gun shot. Will you still be rewarded for the KMDD and assist for that kill?

His response.

So yes, in the example of your Atlas here you would still be awarded the assist and the KMDD after you disconnected because you did the most damage to that 'Mech before you died.

So in summary, as long as you disconnect anytime AFTER you're 'Mech has been destroyed, all achievements and rewards accrued BEFORE death will still be counted once this match has been completed. It might just take a little time for everything to show up on your account if you're not in the end of round screen.

So, there is official word from PGI. You can disconnect after you die with confidence that you will get your full rewards.

Although I am sure others still will not believe it.

Edited by smokytehbear, 28 June 2016 - 05:29 PM.

[Myj]

Yeah that's a damn good question, I think I have noticed things change but it takes a little while unlike the insta-change when you actually wait until the end. But, I could be wrong. Would be interested to know myself.

[XtremWarrior]

I think the official statement is that you're credited for everything you've done until exiting the game:
if a Mech you shot at is killed after you leave, you don't get the Assist points.

But honestly, i'm not sure at all if this is still true.

Concerning the problem with your no-reward-game, i never noticed anything like this so for now i'd rather think the issue is on your side (maybe the reward was delayed and you didn't notice?).

[Alistair Winter]

As far as I know, you only get assist points if you are alive when the mech in question is killed. So if you do 0.1 dmg to every mech on the other team and then die soon after, before any enemies have been killed, you don't actually get assists, even if you spectate the match until it's over. I could be wrong about this though, so please correct me if I have it wrong.

(Kind of funny how many basic questions about MWO most players don't have answers to. #informationwarfare.)

[TercieI]

Alistair Winter, on 27 June 2016 - 03:55 AM, said:

As far as I know, you only get assist points if you are alive when the mech in question is killed. So if you do 0.1 dmg to every mech on the other team and then die soon after, before any enemies have been killed, you don't actually get assists, even if you spectate the match until it's over. I could be wrong about this though, so please correct me if I have it wrong.

(Kind of funny how many basic questions about MWO most players don't have answers to. #informationwarfare.)

No, you get assists for mechs that die after you do. Notice when you die it'll say (for instance) 2 kills, 3 assists, but at match end it may say 2 kills, 7 assists because mechs died subsequently.

[RAM]

smokytehbear, on 25 June 2016 - 05:58 PM, said:

However I just bought a brand new mech, this kind of match happened and a few minutes later back on the main screen I have 0 XP on it, no more C-bills (I believe, can't be entirely sure though), but the x2 multiplier for the first win of the day is gone. So obviously the match is over, and it registered it as a win, but I appear to have not gotten anything. Is this working as intended?

Display issue - undoubtedly related to how they inject rewards. Relog or drop in another mech; once back to the home screen the stats will update.


RAM
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[SkavenDC]

I do not have an answer one way or the other regarding the issuance of XP and c-bills after you disconnect as I too have heard both sides (yes you do vs. no you don't).

I do have had the issue where I died in a game, left the match and didn't get anything. Happened a couple months ago to two different mechs I was leveling up at the time. I would die, leave the match and switch to the other mech. Upon going back to the 1st mech, I did not receive and rewards. Exp was most noticeable as I was trying to level them at the time. These were also decent games where I should have gotten something.

Lasted about 4 cycles. I chalked it off to maybe I was leaving early (may have been before the penalty system was put in place). Started spectating another mech before leaving the game and hasn't happened since. Probably a bug though.

If you know exact times and mech played, contact PGI support and see if they can look into it.

[Jiyu Mononoke]

Ya, you get everything if you die and leave. It just doesn't kick in until that match ends and the client refreshes (the second refresh where your mech is returned from combat).

[Roadkill]

Freebrth, on 27 June 2016 - 08:05 AM, said:

Ya, you get everything if you die and leave. It just doesn't kick in until that match ends and the client refreshes (the second refresh where your mech is returned from combat).

You get everything you've earned at the time you leave. If you leave, and then later in the match a Mech dies that you damaged, you do not get the Assist for that Mech because you left the game before you earned it. Had you remained in the match until that Mech died, and THEN left the game, you would have earned (and been rewarded for) the Assist.

[smokytehbear]

I hate to sound douchey about it, but seriously, we need sources. I know, I'll search the forums... oh wait.

But really otherwise, this becomes no different than previous input on this where you have a dozen people on each side saying yes you do and no you don't.

Alistair Winter, on 27 June 2016 - 03:55 AM, said:

(Kind of funny how many basic questions about MWO most players don't have answers to. #informationwarfare.)

Exactly, see my guide for even more absurd things than this that 90% of us were wrong about for years.

It's because the only actual information is gained either via ripping game files, scientific experimentation (which is ridiculous for a video game), or sifting through a thousand change logs over the past 3 years. If there was a "present state of the game" they updated with the changelogs it would be so easy to find any of this stuff. Maybe the official wiki will fix this.

[AnTi90d]

IDK about disconnection rewards, but you do get kill assists after you die.

I specifically remember spectating after death and seeing those tiny white lines of text attributing, unto me, kill assists.

So, when I'm super-derping in some crappy light sniper, I'll try and nick every enemy that I see.

[SeaLabCaptn]

Anyone remember when it was the game developers job to provide the customer with information about the game? Remember getting really mad because you had to call 1-800-Nintendo helpline for information that wasn't in the owner's manual? Why do companies feel that in the internet age it is no longer their job to educate customers about their product?!

I think you get credit for actions after your death, and I also have had an abandoned match reward me with nothing, so the way it looks to me is it's anybody's guess as to how this is/supposed to work.

[Abel Enders]

Roadkill, on 27 June 2016 - 08:12 AM, said:

You get everything you've earned at the time you leave. If you leave, and then later in the match a Mech dies that you damaged, you do not get the Assist for that Mech because you left the game before you earned it. Had you remained in the match until that Mech died, and THEN left the game, you would have earned (and been rewarded for) the Assist.

I don't believe this is correct, mainly because I got Philanthropist after I had left a match before it was over. Plus, if you didn't get assists after you left it would affect payout and the rage on these forums would be earth shattering. This is pretty much the exact reason the mech you were just using is locked until the match is over, it's still technically in there.

[Myj]

Lol, so basically nobody knows for sure. You think PGI will see this and confirm exactly how it works? Probably not, lol...

[SuomiWarder]

After losing and hiring new programmers so many times, I doubt that even PGI knows the answers to questions like this.

[Bilbo]

You get credit for everything you did up to your death, including any assists you are entitled to afterwards, as long as you leave the match after death. If you leave the match before death and don't return inside of two minutes you get only what you earned prior to leaving the match for whatever reason.

[SkavenDC]

So, to quote my boss, "I took the bull by the horns" and contacted PGI on this issue. My boss is the cliche king btw.

Anway, Bobby Jubraj, Technical Support Representative @ Piranha Games contacted me back with an answer.

My original question.

When you die in a match and ultimately leave before the match is over (but defiantly after you die), do you still receive full rewards on events that take place after you leave? I am referring specifically to assists or KMDDs. Rewards you would have earned anyway had you stayed. Example. You strip an Atlas down from fresh to cherry red everything and no arms and then you die. You leave the match and then someone else kills it with a machine gun shot. Will you still be rewarded for the KMDD and assist for that kill?

His response.

So yes, in the example of your Atlas here you would still be awarded the assist and the KMDD after you disconnected because you did the most damage to that 'Mech before you died.

So in summary, as long as you disconnect anytime AFTER you're 'Mech has been destroyed, all achievements and rewards accrued BEFORE death will still be counted once this match has been completed. It might just take a little time for everything to show up on your account if you're not in the end of round screen.

So, there is official word from PGI. You can disconnect after you die with confidence that you will get your full rewards.

Although I am sure others still will not believe it.

[Roadkill]

SkavenDC, on 28 June 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

So, there is official word from PGI. You can disconnect after you die with confidence that you will get your full rewards.

That's a change, then. I tested this a long time ago and what Bobby's saying was not true at that time. If you left a match you did not receive any further rewards - only the ones you had earned by the time you left.

It's an easy test - just play a match in a long-range Mech, shoot a lot of Mechs (long range helps with this), die early, and leave. Check your c-bills and log out. Do something else for 20 minutes. Log in and check your c-bills again. If they've changed, then Bobby is correct because you've been rewarded for something that happened after you left the match.

If they haven't changed... well you'll want to run the test 4-5 times to be sure. It's possible that your team was so bad that they didn't manage to kill any more Mechs after you left.

Abel Enders, on 27 June 2016 - 11:23 AM, said:

I don't believe this is correct, mainly because I got Philanthropist after I had left a match before it was over.

I believe that awards such as Philanthropist can be delayed by up to 15 minutes much like event rewards, so unfortunately I don't think that's proof of anything.

[ArmandTulsen]

The exp is slow to refresh. Sometimes it takes the sum of your last match PLUS the next one and shows you the updated number.

As for assists, if you die, you won't be credited for them.

[Roadkill]

Roadkill, on 28 June 2016 - 08:20 AM, said:

It's an easy test - just play a match in a long-range Mech, shoot a lot of Mechs (long range helps with this), die early, and leave. Check your c-bills and log out. Do something else for 20 minutes. Log in and check your c-bills again. If they've changed, then Bobby is correct because you've been rewarded for something that happened after you left the match.

If they haven't changed... well you'll want to run the test 4-5 times to be sure. It's possible that your team was so bad that they didn't manage to kill any more Mechs after you left.

Thought of another check - provided you don't already have the top assist award for the weight class you played, you can check progress on that after you exit the match and then again after you log back in. That will tell you if you received any additional assists after the ones you saw on your death screen.