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[Astraea Worthing]

So I still don't understand the mech variant system but I bought the Steam Heavy mech package which came with the Timberwolf TBR-C(C) variant and I used 15,000 cbills to buy the TBR-C variant and now I just no longer have the TBR-C(C) variant. So.... did I just get screwed and waste all those cbills to not get a second usable variant AND lose my champion mech, whatever that means?

[Tesunie]

Astraea Worthing, on 27 June 2016 - 10:26 PM, said:

So I still don't understand the mech variant system but I bought the Steam Heavy mech package which came with the Timberwolf TBR-C(C) variant and I used 15,000 cbills to buy the TBR-C variant and now I just no longer have the TBR-C(C) variant. So.... did I just get screwed and waste all those cbills to not get a second usable variant AND lose my champion mech, whatever that means?

Yes and No.

Yes, you just bought a variant you already owned, which will not help you with the "three different variants of the same chassis" for skill progression.

No. You SHOULD still have your (C)Champion variant, unless you sold it somehow. Could you have the wrong tab option open? (Click on "show all owned".) As far as I know though (which I could be wrong), the Steam packages should come with an (S) variant, not a (C) version. Champion (C) variants grant an Experience boost to that mech when used in combat. This is a very limiting reward, as eventually the mech becomes mastered and then sits on experience (unless you pay real money to convert that mech experience into general experience). However, that EXP boost does grant a small boost to General Experience gained. However, the (S) version should have a 30% C-bill boost, which is far more helpful.

I'll also mention that the Champion(C) variants of mechs are also trial mechs. Trial mechs are free mechs for you to use, but you can not customize them and do not technically own them. So, if you selected "view owned", the trial champion mech may not show up, as you don't own it.


I hope this helps answer your questions? If not, let me know!

[jss78]

Your Champion variant should still be there. Look carefully in the mechlab, and check all of the filters on top so that all 'mechs are visible.

You did get screwed in that there's no reason to buy the "regular" TBR-C if you already have the Champion variant. A champion 'mech is the very same 'mech, just with two differences:
- it comes with a different default loadout
- a champion 'mech has a +30% XP bonus

So regardless of whether it's the champion or normal version, you can always later set up the 'mech however you like, so apart from the XP bonus it makes no difference which you have.

If you've made a purchase you immediately regret, do to not understanding the system, you can send a courteous e-mail to support. I've done similar things in the past, and they agreed to reverse the transaction.
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[Rogue Jedi]

as Tesune said the Steam Performance pack comes with a TBR-C(S) the Champion is a TBR-C(C) there is also a regular TBR-C, all 3 share the same skill pool, so if you owned all 3 versions of the TBR-C they would only count as 1 variant for the purposes of unlocking skills.

The most likely reason for them not to appear is you have a filter activated, I believe there are Mechlab filters to show/hide Hero Mechs, Champion Mechs, regular Mechs Owned Mechs and Trial Mechs, as well as to select a specific weight class.
if a Mech is not showing up make sure you have both or all selected on the filters where possible and try toggling on/off the hero and Champion filters

[JC Daxion]

jss78, on 27 June 2016 - 10:38 PM, said:

If you've made a purchase you immediately regret, do to not understanding the system, you can send a courteous e-mail to support. I've done similar things in the past, and they agreed to reverse the transaction.
accounts@mwomercs.com

Yup you done screwed up... do what this guy says, they give you a nice one time reverse.. and 15m on a paid account is worth getting it reversed.. But now you found the forums, in the future just ask before you do something you are unsure of, the forum warriors here are very nice and helpful. Even getting close to 4 years i still ask Q's, cause there is so much to know.

[Koniving]

Astraea Worthing, on 27 June 2016 - 10:26 PM, said:

So I still don't understand the mech variant system but I bought the Steam Heavy mech package which came with the Timberwolf TBR-C(C) variant and I used 15,000 cbills to buy the TBR-C variant and now I just no longer have the TBR-C(C) variant. So.... did I just get screwed and waste all those cbills to not get a second usable variant AND lose my champion mech, whatever that means?

Edit: I should point out something to clear some confusion up really quick.
"TBR-C" is a variant (In MWO's perspective; won't get into that).
TBR-C (C ) is a Version. See the () marks? It does not denote a variant, but a version of a variant. It marks 'where it came from'. (R ) for example came from "Resistance" packages, (S) came from Steam or the recent Special variants in individual mech preorders or from Sarah's Mech which is a special cancer donation Jenner mech from 2013.
TBR-S is a variant.
TBR-C (S) is a version of the TBR-C variant. Note the distinction of parenthesis. All versions are the same as the specific variant. Back to the post.

There are two things as said above.
One: The Timber Wolf TBR-C(S) is what comes with the Heavy package, which is superior to the (C ) version. It is superior in that it gives a 30% cbill bonus instead of a 30% experience bonus (which is limited because there is only so much experience you can use on the mech).
Two, the TBR-C... in any 'version', is still the TBR-C. So having more than one is a bit of a moot point save for Faction Warfare in which case having more than one meaning that when one is destroyed you can respawn in the other. (But since it is an Omnimech, just have another Timber Wolf and build it the same way to save time and money).

As said above, put in a request to support. Not only are you still new but you're also "Blue New" which means you haven't even had the chance to play 25 matches before making a mistake, as such they won't have any trouble helping you fix it. Also throw in that the New Player Help sent you to them.

If I may, I would suggest that when you get the 15 million cbills returned, consider looking into the Timber Wolf TBR-Prime and the TBR-S.

The only "unique" body parts that can't be replaced on an Omnimech are the center torsos. The Prime has a weapon hardpoint that isn't common on the CT, and the S has a jumpjet installed in the CT (so you can jump -- okay it's really more of a hop -- even if you don't use any other "S" parts).
The prime, I personally love, because it has the CT ballistic hardpoint which I usually use for a 'third' machine gun, something impossible on any other config. (You need to swap the energy ST for a ballistic one, not a big deal, but after that 3 MGs).
Afterwards, you'll have this: And this is so much fun!


Good luck, new guy, and remember these tips:
1) The (Blank ) of a mech name is just a tacked on designation for the bonus it gives (S), (L), etc. are all cbill bonuses which also tells where it came from (L) for example is Loyalty meaning it was given out for free for meeting some conditions as a customer such as "If you bought a pre-order package this year, you'll get this Loyalty mech as our thanks". (C ) is an experience bonus, and (C ) versions are literally (in my opinion) not worth the time or money because it's basically a "pre-souped-up" free mech that you have to spend money on.
2) In combat, if the enemy mech is too fast, shoot the legs. Can't run with a broken leg, can they?
3) If the enemy has a lot of weapons on one side -- SHOOT that side! Kill it quick! No weapons, can't hurt you. Right?
4) Wherever you shoot, make sure to keep shooting there until something "Happens." For example if you keep shooting an arm it will blow off. Keep shooting a leg and it will limp. Shoot it in the cockpit and.. well no Meat and it goes Vegetable.

And return here if you're ever unsure of something.
Welcome to MWO.

Edited by Koniving, 28 June 2016 - 07:53 AM.

[Koniving]

Astraea Worthing, on 27 June 2016 - 10:26 PM, said:

So.... did I just get screwed and waste all those cbills to not get a second usable variant AND lose my champion mech, whatever that means?

Quick side note:
Mech Select.
Filters.
"Clan" or "Both" for faction. TBR is a Clan mech.
"Owned."
Should come up.
If not, make sure to look at "Hero, Champion, All" filters. If it doesn't appear under champion it could be under hero. But you should always look under "All".
Keep it under the weight class "Heavy" or "All" and remember to expand any "drop-lists" you might see.

The filters are more for people like myself, who have played for four years and acquired 190+ mechs and can't find one specific mech because it changed its name to Waldo.

[Tarl Cabot]

Depending on what screen you are looking at, it can be disconcerting.

• SKILLS window - TBR-C / 3 mechs, no separating plain from (S) from (C) if you own all 3.
  
• STORE window - before purchasing TBR-C, the plain version, it will TBR-C none owned, TBR-C (C) 1 owned. TBR-C (S) does not show since it is a special purchase.
  
• HOME/SELECT mech - shows the TBR-C(C) and TBR-C(S). Once the plain version TBR-C is purchased then you can see it there as the 3rd mech.

Remember though, the SKILLS window does not separate the mechs with additional earning percentages. As others have noted how to view what you have, but many would agree it can be misconstrued by how it is displayed in different screens. If veteran players can be fooled by it, imagine newer players handling of it.

/shudders.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 28 June 2016 - 04:35 AM.

[JC Daxion]

BTW, i think you are a bit confused? If you bought the package through steam, it should come with the Timber C(S) version, That one gives you a +30% c-bill booster.. (a very nice bonus, the only other way to get a timber with a c-bill booster is buying either a large invasion package, Or buying the 3 timber package, Ala-cart. (all the ala-cart mechs come with one c-bill booster, and two normal C-bill versions)



The Timber C(C) is a champion, like all (C) mechs, But that instead gives you an XP booster, which comes in handy for the most part especially with GXP. Other champions can also get other bonuses like nice engines, or Has built in upgrades endo, Ferro and/or double heat sinks, though not all have everything. It really is dependent on the mech. Basically you get a short cut and a fully built mech, often completed for much less than it would cost you, especially on sale. For example i bought a Locust (C) on sale, it had double heat sinks+ endo and an XL engine for like 480MC, which saved me around 7m credits. It will now also help me earn GXP that is a long grind every time i play it. Play a few events, and it is like getting a free mech!


The typical Timber-C for c-bills, has no boosters, and i think has a different stock build, but not sure. Often they are different though. but check this http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/ to double check on exact build comparisons.


FYI
The innersphere mastery packs on the other hand come with a champion, (XP booster), Hero (cbill booster) and one normal C-bill mech.

Other packages the types vary, so best to ask and double check what kinda boosters other packages get if you are unsure.

Edited by JC Daxion, 28 June 2016 - 04:58 AM.

[Jables McBarty]

To add something that I haven't seen said yet:

Your TBR-C(S)--the one you got from the Steam Pack--CANNOT be sold. I know because I tried to sell my Steam Thunderbolt, and couldn't. I think this is the case with most or all +Cbills versions.

So it's either in your inventory garage somewhere, or if you really truly can't find it despite setting all Filters to All, then email support cause you found a bug.

EDIT: Switching to Garage, because the TBR-C(S) will definitely show in your 'MechLab Select Mech screen, but might not show up in the "Inventory" screen--this is because it can't be sold.

Edited by Jables McBarty, 28 June 2016 - 02:35 PM.

[Gibson Ibanez]

Welcome to MWO!