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[CK16]

As the title says. With Russ confirmin not only stock mode but also tech limits for private lobbies an idea came to mind. I am going to guess many traditional battletech fans who are all about TRO 3025 or so were probably very giddy about this....So I thought to ask. In a tech level 1 only lobby what mechs will reign in as the best? In a stock tech level 1 who would be the kings?

And go!

Edited by CK16, 30 June 2016 - 08:24 AM.

[Rhaythe]

Awesome 8Q. Hunchback 4G. Centurion AH. Jenner F. Catapult K2.

These are the staple mechs of Stock Mech Monday and the mechs you would be most likely to encounter in any given match.

EDIT: Wrong Centurion

Edited by Rhaythe, 30 June 2016 - 07:21 AM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Rhaythe, on 30 June 2016 - 07:17 AM, said:

Awesome 8Q. Hunchback 4G. Centurion AH. Jenner F. Catapult K2.

These are the staple mechs of Stock Mech Monday and the mechs you would be most likely to encounter in any given match.

EDIT: Wrong Centurion

JR7-F for scout mechs as well

Also the wang is 3025 tech and good at stock.

Enforcers, crabs are good.

The Laser variant of the kaniggit was good, not sure how the size will affect that.

Edited by Narcissistic Martyr, 30 June 2016 - 07:39 AM.

[Metus regem]

Rhaythe, on 30 June 2016 - 07:17 AM, said:

Awesome 8Q. Hunchback 4G. Centurion AH. Jenner F. Catapult K2.

These are the staple mechs of Stock Mech Monday and the mechs you would be most likely to encounter in any given match.

EDIT: Wrong Centurion

I think the stock KGC-0000 could be a bit of a contender too, it's stock load out is kind of nasty to bump into:

KGC-0000

[Hit the Deck]

Unquirked, right?

[Rhaythe]

Metus regem, on 30 June 2016 - 07:33 AM, said:

I think the stock KGC-0000 could be a bit of a contender too, it's stock load out is kind of nasty to bump into:

KGC-0000

It appeared every now and again later in our SMM timeline, but wasn't as common as the ones I listed above. The Atlas-D was far more common.

[Alan Davion]

Hit the Deck, on 30 June 2016 - 07:35 AM, said:

Unquirked, right?

They did say that when the stock private mode comes out, there will be options for playing with or without quirks.

[Rhaythe]

Hit the Deck, on 30 June 2016 - 07:35 AM, said:

Unquirked, right?

Arguably, if there are quirks, then the mechs are not stock.

Alan Davion, on 30 June 2016 - 07:40 AM, said:

They did say that when the stock private mode comes out, there will be options for playing with or without quirks.

That was mentioned in the Town Hall, yes.

Narcissistic Martyr, on 30 June 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

Also the wang is 3025 tech and good at stock.

The Wang was used in leu of the AH for much of SMM until the AH was added back into the game. The two are borderline interchangeable.

[Alan Davion]

Rhaythe, on 30 June 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

Arguably, if there are quirks, then the mechs are not stock.

The stock mode only refers to the armor and weapons of the mech, not the quirks.

[Metus regem]

Rhaythe, on 30 June 2016 - 07:38 AM, said:

It appeared every now and again later in our SMM timeline, but wasn't as common as the ones I listed above. The Atlas-D was far more common.

If I had the time to join, I'd be rocking my WHM-6R I kept one of my 6R's in stock, just encase I had a chance to join SMM....

[Rhaythe]

Metus regem, on 30 June 2016 - 07:45 AM, said:

If I had the time to join, I'd be rocking my WHM-6R I kept one of my 6R's in stock, just encase I had a chance to join SMM....

SMM died before the recent reseens made their way in. Theorycrafting the Warhammer, I'd have to say it'd be a niche mech. It'd be played, but would probably be more to counter something else - IE: a team of 4Gs. Too many weapon groups to be a regular, but I think it'd be fun.

[Bishop Steiner]

Rhaythe, on 30 June 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

Arguably, if there are quirks, then the mechs are not stock.
That was mentioned in the Town Hall, yes.


The Wang was used in leu of the AH for much of SMM until the AH was added back into the game. The two are borderline interchangeable.

3 tons ac20 ammo stock. Pretty huge advantage.

Also new SHS dissipation helps tremendously. Still run my stick Wang in QP from time to time. One of the few I find I can get away with.

[Metus regem]

Rhaythe, on 30 June 2016 - 07:47 AM, said:

SMM died before the recent reseens made their way in. Theorycrafting the Warhammer, I'd have to say it'd be a niche mech. It'd be played, but would probably be more to counter something else - IE: a team of 4Gs. Too many weapon groups to be a regular, but I think it'd be fun.

Funny, I don't have an issue managing 4-5 weapon groups... guess most players of MWO have issues with more than just one....

[Bishop Steiner]

A real shame some nice 3025 variants like the MAD-3D never made it in.

Use to run a JM6 configured as an RFL-3C, it was solid. Archers should be solid without lrm5 span obsoleting them

[Rhaythe]

Metus regem, on 30 June 2016 - 07:52 AM, said:

Funny, I don't have an issue managing 4-5 weapon groups... guess most players of MWO have issues with more than just one....

Alpha is as alpha does. It's why the 8Q and K2 were so popular. Specialization is competitive, even in stock mode, so it'll draw more players. To each their own. This topic has been hammered enough on these forums over the past 4 years as it is.

Bishop Steiner, on 30 June 2016 - 07:51 AM, said:

3 tons ac20 ammo stock. Pretty huge advantage.

Like I said, SMM saw both interchangeably. I'm just testifying to what was popular during those days.

Bishop Steiner, on 30 June 2016 - 07:54 AM, said:

A real shame some nice 3025 variants like the MAD-3D never made it in.

I dressed up my Cataphract as a Marauder analog during a few matches and did fairly well with it.

[Hit the Deck]

Alan Davion, on 30 June 2016 - 07:40 AM, said:

They did say that when the stock private mode comes out, there will be options for playing with or without quirks.

I guess there will be two ladderboards for this, one with and one without quirks enabled.

[Triordinant]

[CK16]

Triordinant, on 30 June 2016 - 08:20 AM, said:

So my phone forgot the G lol!

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[Bishop Steiner]

Also I tended to find the AWS-8T to absolutely own the 8Q, personally. 8Q was more popular though.

BNC-3S could be an absolute beast too, though one did have to be careful with those PPCs

Mechs I used frequently in SMM with success:

HBK-4G Hunchback
CN9-D, AL, AH and YLW Centurions
GRF-1S Griffin
WVR-6K Wolverine
*CPLT-K2 Catapult (though without quirks, expect PPCs to be back to garbage)
JM6-S Jagermech (paper thin armor but standing back in cover it can rain unholy hell compared to most 3025 mechs)
TDR-5SS Thunderbolt
CTF-2X, 4X Cataphract (4x is slow, but so much DPS for SMM)
ON1-K, VA Orion (all Orions run way hotter than one would expect, but that armor helps a lot, and AC10 is a lifesaver)
AWS-8Q, 8T Awesome (8Q is nice til face hugged, 8Ts 3 lasers plus LRMs keep people more honest, IMO)
*ZEU-6S Zeus (losing it's toughness quirks probably will remove it from "serious" SMM play)
STK-3H Stalker (other models are simply too overarmed, IMO)
BNC-3S Banshee
AS7-D, RS Atlas (without ECM can't say the DDC was really a keeper)

Mechs with a "*" means usually were good because of their quirks.

Mechs that were not so good IMO:

Victors: Light Armor and CQB only armament usually doomed them. Some people could make them work, sometimes, but I found them very high risk.
King Crabs: 1 ton ammo per cannon. Slow speed, moderately light armor/large target/high threat index target with weak backup weapons to the AC20s. Decent for small unit ambushes, not much else.
Enforcers: 1 ton ammo for the cannon, low DPS/alpha backup weapons, average speed.
Vindicators: Actually thought the 1R would be a great SMM Trooper Mech. Without Quirks, it might still have a chance. Against Quirked SMs, it was severely outclassed,with weapons not being terribly synchronized, average speed, etc, outweighing good armor, JJs and decent heat endurance.
BJ-1 Blackjack: With changes to SHS and ACs, maybe it will be more viable. Before it simply ran inferno hot.

Mind you, this is not a "MetaMechs List", just my personal findings as a regular of the told SMM crew.

Even more than just a Tier 1 SMM though, I really do want a Tier 1 customs league. Loved playing in the "Run What You Brung" Solaris matches that were often held at conventions, where you faced off in your Custom Variants against all comers.

[Mystere]

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