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[TLBFestus]

DaZur, on 05 July 2016 - 07:47 AM, said:

Devils advocate... Absolutely, PGI is culpable for the state MWO is in.

That said, some aspect of this spiral into mediocrity is the fault of this playerbase, or more specifically a segment of it.

What I find more damning is that a good portion of this demographic has long moved on or been banned.

So I have to ask... Who's left to drive the direction MWO is heading besides Russ?

Player base = Customers (whether paying or not)


There is no way in the world that a business can justify blaming the customers for their problems.

[Bishop Steiner]

Saint Scarlett Johan, on 05 July 2016 - 02:46 PM, said:

You're bored. Plain and simple.

It's why I don't play it but once, maybe twice, a week at the moment and only group queue or FW with QQ members.

The game is stale. The only thing that is likely to keep me around much longer is comp because it allows players some degree of control over the game.

If PGI were to private lobby the CW maps, we'd likely see a resurgence in player run leagues that would add some depth back to the game.

But just solo, group, or FW as is? Boring.

Boredom factors in, my friend, but it's a symptom, not the sickness

[C E Dwyer]

I don't think I mentioned this in my ramble about when the game stopped being fun, but others have mentioned it.

Map and mode voting.

This is the only game that allows it in open play that I am aware of, and it was an incredibly stupid and dumb move on P.G.I's part, whoever pushed for this in the staff should frankly be removed from staff, for listening to a few cry babies that needed cookie cutter maps, for their cookie cutter mech.

It ensured that many maps are never used, unless you play the minigame and then so infrequently, that they might as well not be in the selection, this guarranted that the game grew stale a lot faster than other games like WoT, WoW, Warthunder which have a completely random map and mode, just like this game had.

Can add this as another stupid feature P.G.I added, to break something that wasn't broken in the first place

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Cathy, on 05 July 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

This is the only game that allows it in open play that I am aware of, and it was an incredibly smart move on P.G.I's part, whoever pushed for this in the staff should frankly be kept on staff, for listening to valid complaints about terribly designed maps that should've been fixed a long time ago.

FTFY.

If they didn't have such bad maps (therma is still one of the worst maps in the game, easily) or bad game modes (talking about the old assault with turrets mainly) they wouldn't have needed voting or allowing people to avoid certain modes.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 05 July 2016 - 03:15 PM.

[Ahja]

You are very right Bishop. The game you want to love but PGI will not let you. I left soon after the Clan invasion fail and all the buff and nerf waves were making me sea sick. So came back two weeks ago to find not much has changed. Some new Mech that are to late to save the game alone and changes that undid old changes. Ill say what I always say. So much potential unused.

[Bishop Steiner]

Actually wish they would just add Respawns, Power ups, etc and be done with it.

At least then they would have actually chosen a direction to develop.

[Deathlike]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 July 2016 - 03:20 PM, said:

Actually wish they would just add Respawns, Power ups, etc and be done with it.

At least then they would have actually chosen a direction to develop.

They have a direction alright. It's the one where one tries to schmooze your way into the wallet, but don't realize how few/minor the players actually want instead of the things that do matter.

The capacity to figure out what makes the most money... aka building a good game not just a lingering promising game is not PGI's forte.

[Wintersdark]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 July 2016 - 03:20 PM, said:

Actually wish they would just add Respawns, Power ups, etc and be done with it.

At least then they would have actually chosen a direction to develop.

And as sad as I'd be, I at least wouldn't be hanging on with tattered hope anymore, I'd drop it like a rock and move on with my life.

It's like being in a dysfunctional relationship that is *just* not quite bad enough to leave.

[DaZur]

TLBFestus, on 05 July 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

Player base = Customers (whether paying or not)


There is no way in the world that a business can justify blaming the customers for their problems.

Yes, yes you can... When you allow the decenting opinion of the smallest percentage of your "customers" to dictate the direction your product line steers ... Yes, you can blame your customers.

That said, the company is plenty culpable for bending to unqualified opinion.

[Bishop Steiner]

Wintersdark, on 05 July 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:

And as sad as I'd be, I at least wouldn't be hanging on with tattered hope anymore, I'd drop it like a rock and move on with my life.

It's like being in a dysfunctional relationship that is *just* not quite bad enough to leave.

[Alistair Winter]

I'm gone from the game for a week and suddenly Bishop has a 10-page thread about how the game is no longer fun, with almost 50 likes to the OP? Are these the end times? The rapture?

Incidentally, there's a reason why I've been gone for a week. I need PGI to step up their game. What else am I going to do? Start playing Overwatch? I can't. I won't.

Edited by Alistair Winter, 05 July 2016 - 03:59 PM.

[Deathlike]

Alistair Winter, on 05 July 2016 - 03:59 PM, said:

I'm gone from the game for a week and suddenly Bishop has a 10-page thread about how the game is no longer fun, with almost 50 likes to the OP? Are these the end times? The rapture?

Incidentally, there's a reason why I've been gone for a week. I need PGI to step up their game. What else am I going to do? Start playing Overwatch? I can't. I won't.

There are plenty of other games (F2P or otherwise) that deserve your attention. That's the current reality.

[Bishop Steiner]

Deathlike, on 05 July 2016 - 04:13 PM, said:

There are plenty of other games (F2P or otherwise) that deserve your attention. That's the current reality.

haven't really found any (personally).

That's the thing, IMO.... I haven't found a single game that realyl grabbed me, not the way MarioWorld 64, Fallout, MW2 Mercs, KotOR, etc, did. (not even Fallout 4)

It seems that as pretty and functionality advanced as modern games are... they really lack in depth, immersion, originality, that je nai se qua that makes them endlessly replayable classics, IMO.

It all feels derivative and throw away, to me. And maybe with our ADHD society, that's the model for making money. But I sure would like to find some games that realyl have me going back for more.

[Sjorpha]

DaZur, on 05 July 2016 - 03:50 PM, said:

Yes, yes you can... When you allow the decenting opinion of the smallest percentage of your "customers" to dictate the direction your product line steers ... Yes, you can blame your customers.

That said, the company is plenty culpable for bending to unqualified opinion.

Umm, still sounds like it's 100% the business fault for listening to bad advice. It's not like bad advice is hard to come by no matter what you are trying to do, so as a developer you are always fully responsible for finding the good advice, or if you're feeling edgy you could even try to make good decisions all by yourself.

I know I know that last alternative might be pushing it a bit, but I actually heard from someone who heard from someone about a developer that once did that.

Lol, that song...such nostalgia, I think I was 13 when it came out and we used to play that record while making D&D characters in the basement.

Seriously though, 4 years is quite a long time to play the same game, especially a game as small as this with only deathmatches on a few maps. It could be that you're just done with this game like you'd be done with most games in way shorter time, not because it's bad but simply has nothing more to give you. I doubt I'll be playing this much in 2 years, even if it develops well. I'm still having fun, I'll stop the moment I don't. That's not actually a big deal, it's just a glorified deathmatch shooter in the end, and I'm actually kind of ok with that, it's a pretty good one IMO.

[Alistair Winter]

Deathlike, on 05 July 2016 - 04:13 PM, said:

There are plenty of other games (F2P or otherwise) that deserve your attention. That's the current reality.

I don't know. I thought about Arma 3, maybe. Or Rainbow Six Siege.

I tried Armored Warfare as an alternative to MWO, was sorely disappointed.
I tried CS:GO, and discovered I'm getting too old to enjoy the twitch gameplay and completely unrealistic FPS games.
I tried Warthunder, Star Conflict, I tried Hawken.

What else is there that isn't some COD clone?

[Bishop Steiner]

Alistair Winter, on 05 July 2016 - 04:23 PM, said:

I don't know. I thought about Arma 3, maybe. Or Rainbow Six Siege.

I tried Armored Warfare as an alternative to MWO, was sorely disappointed.
I tried CS:GO, and discovered I'm getting too old to enjoy the twitch gameplay and completely unrealistic FPS games.
I tried Warthunder, Star Conflict, I tried Hawken.

What else is there that isn't some COD clone?

is the Arma 3 Campaign mode any good?

I'm at the point of buying refurbished or modded consoles to have some good games like Robotech Battlecry, old Zelda titles, etc.

Would kill for a PC compatible Robotech Game, actually.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 05 July 2016 - 04:27 PM.

[El Bandito]

Deathlike, on 05 July 2016 - 02:21 PM, said:

They haven't touched the Spider-5V at all.

Last I checked, the only mech that received hardpoint increases in places it shouldn't have was the Archer. The Archer is generally bad anyways, but when all it takes is one fool telling Russ "12 JJs on a Spider-5V is fine over more hardpoints", then all hope is lost to get actual proper buffs onto it.

Honestly, do you expect our balance overlord to get this right?

I'm telling how PGI should do it, such as buffing SDR-5V and Victor through hardpoints. I am not expecting them to actually do it my way. If I was expecting it, I would have been more vocal with my Sized Hardpoints idea.

[Mavairo]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 July 2016 - 04:19 PM, said:

haven't really found any (personally).

That's the thing, IMO.... I haven't found a single game that realyl grabbed me, not the way MarioWorld 64, Fallout, MW2 Mercs, KotOR, etc, did. (not even Fallout 4)

It seems that as pretty and functionality advanced as modern games are... they really lack in depth, immersion, originality, that je nai se qua that makes them endlessly replayable classics, IMO.

It all feels derivative and throw away, to me. And maybe with our ADHD society, that's the model for making money. But I sure would like to find some games that realyl have me going back for more.

There's some really fun deep games out there.

Tomb Raider (the current series, first game. Haven't tried the second one yet).

Skyrim once I'm actually playing it, I enjoy the hell out of especially with all of the mods I have installed...I doubt I'll ever actually play the full content that I have available. And there's still hundreds of mods I want to try yet.

Galactic Civ 3 I've soaked well over a hundred hours in....and I can spend HOURS just designing new ships in the ship designer.

I've not tried the Witcher yet, and I hear it, and it's sequel Witcher 2 are really good games. They're in my list of games to play though I doubt I'll be streaming those due to twitch's sensitivity to adult content lol.

The first Mass Effect, and Mass Effect 2 are also stellar games. I've not played the third one.

Stellaris I think once a few more patches come out, and a little more DLC hits (and it'll be real DLC it's not crap that they intentionally didn't include..) will be amazing. Right now it's a solid game with a lot of potential.

The Incredible adventures of Van Helsing Final Cut has been a surprise gem for me. I love the art style, and the humor in it. It's very tongue and cheek and fun to sink some time into.

Brothers a tale of two sons I think also deserves mention as far as engrossing, and hitting you right in the damn feels goes.

Brutal Legend is another one that's sheer art style, and humor win it over for me.

Same with the 2009 Ghostbusters the videogame which is the closest bar none that we will ever have to Ghost Busters 3, and is probably the last gasp of quality that franchise will ever have.

Alien Isolation, I also recommend because it's creepy as hell.

There's a ton of other games that look awesome as hell that I've picked up on steam during the various sales that I've just not gotten to, because this game used to suck away my gaming time.
Twitch also has given a new life to me playing single player. I can play a game now, and still be hanging out with friends etc while I play. I'm a social gamer at heart so I pretty much left single player behind once I started playing games on my pc.

That being said I've been returning to them, along with co-op games. Because if you know where to look there's still lots of great titles out there.

Which just makes it all the more difficult to justify this game... especially spending cash on it. That 70.00 pack of Cyclopses...

Vs the 50 dollars I spent for like 15 games in this summer sale..it's no freaking contest.
Even 20.00 here... or there... versus what I can get nowadays else where.

[Sjorpha]

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Here's a review: http://www.gizorama....scension-review

Edited by Sjorpha, 05 July 2016 - 04:55 PM.

[Mavairo]

Sjorpha, on 05 July 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

If you want something truly deep, complex and involved, try Dominions 4.

Here's a review: http://www.gizorama....scension-review

I can't believe I forgot to mention Dominions 4. Dear god talk about going into the deep end of the ocean and being lost lol.