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[MovinTarget]

Funny, for the better part of the past 2 months, 228 has been IS with at least 2 weeks in both Steiner and FRR...

Why? Because we go where the fighting is. Because we don't like ghost drops and gen rushes.

We can't restrict merc movements because there are only really 1-2 fronts worth hitting... from either side.

The only thing I could say is they could force mercs to shift between clan and IS every/every other contract so that there is some natural turnover, but even then you know some rhythm will emerge where the same merc units just swap fronts.

If they want to make mercs move to the "weaker" side, they'd have to incentivize it like they used to. Base it on bonuses to mercs fighting for a faction if a net loss of planets since the beginning of the season (look at GB and SJ).

Make fighting for a "powerhouse" faction essentially charity where you make next to nothing because they don't need you. And when I say "next to nothing, even your MP are reduced"

In other words don't make the contract bonuses about population there are TONS of people in units/factions that never even play FP, make it about overall success over the season.

[Count Zero 74]

Hey Stahl, wo habt ihr euch gestern Nacht eigentlich rumgetrieben? Haben euch echt vermisst, immer nur 420er hauen ist auf dauer ja auch keine Lösung. Man wächst schließlich mit seinen herausforderungen.

[Pat Kell]

Terrastras Rex, on 13 July 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

Couldn't agree more.

Wait. What's that?

420 and TCAF are the only Loyalists with at least 1 attack win for every 2 defense? Wow. Impressive stuff guys. =D

Kudos!

That is actually incorrect.
German Ghost Bears-------------10 planet wins 7 defense wins
Russian Clan Jade Falcon-------5 planet wins 8 defense wins
Clan Ghost Bear International--10 planet wins 5 defense wins
TAMAR - Jaeger De---------------9 planet wins 12 defense wins

Maybe you should narrow the search even further. Already removed any merc units from competing in this awesome record you have. What else can you remove? Maybe only take the top 20 listed loyalist units? No, that wouldn't work because that's all I looked at. Hmmm, maybe only look at the top 10 loyalist units listed on the boards. Ahhh, that's it. Only look at the top ten loyalist units and then your statement is true. Sorry, I must have missed those parameters you were setting in your example.

Also of note, the top 14 loyalist teams on the IS side are ALL IS loyalists except for you guys and lets face it, the clans are typically going to be the ones taking planets....typically. There is some IS to IS planet switching going on but there are just so few clan planets to really attack until the clans start to push out from their original borders.

Please note that this is not intended to diminish or take away anything from the guys in 420. You guys are doing good work, keep it up. I just wanted the facts to be out there.

Edited by Pat Kell, 13 July 2016 - 11:12 PM.

[MischiefSC]

It's easy to shine as a CJF loyalist when you're being carried by mercs and LT. Let's be honest there.

I hate to say it but even if CJF gets to Terra it's nothing like their victory in FW2 when they did it on sheer being a BA-ness. WIth the whole scouting/LT thing how can anyone say they're 'winning in FW' when they're getting carried by terrible, terrible mechanics?

[Count Zero 74]

Tbh, I'm still wondering how we got all our planet defense wins since we don't defend. Being scared of facing 12 mans and all that.

Since we're on the topic of 12 mans, met our friends only once tonight and we where in kind of a hurry, so sorry bout the gen rush.

[Kurbeks]

420 looks like regular nub unit. Clan wolf or Ghost bear style. Probably got their 9 wins by mass spamming and now those planets are too deep in Jade territory for anyone to take them. Nice MC profit.

[Pat Kell]

MischiefSC, on 13 July 2016 - 10:32 PM, said:

It's easy to shine as a CJF loyalist when you're being carried by mercs and LT. Let's be honest there.

I hate to say it but even if CJF gets to Terra it's nothing like their victory in FW2 when they did it on sheer being a BA-ness. WIth the whole scouting/LT thing how can anyone say they're 'winning in FW' when they're getting carried by terrible, terrible mechanics?

In all fairness though, most of the long tom issues occurred during the event. A lot of southerly movement was made prior to the event and with a few exceptions when people were trying it out and seeing what it was capable of, I think it has pretty much been kept in the closet for a fair portion of phase 3 due to many units having a sort of unspoken agreement to not bring this broken thing into matches (minus a certain small percentage of course:)).

Granted, a lot of movement was made during the event but I think a higher amount of planets was taken overall prior to the event. I think...could be wrong on that, we did move quite a ways south in 2 weeks.

[Tiyos]

Ok, so I just discovered this forum, and have been reading it for the better part of an hour(I'm trying to escape life ). This is my opinion on the Jade Falcon crusade.

Ever notice how all the other Clans are practically dead? Yeah, I know dead may be an exaggeration, but we're not seeing Clans coming up and kicking Kurita and FRR in the teeth are we? If so, please tell me because that would be awesome to watch.

I have spoken with many players who are Clan loyalists, but not to a certain Clan. They cannot use other Clans as staging grounds for CW, so they are forced to go to Jade Falcon. That does not create a huge factor to the power in Jade Falcon, but a fair amount.

Also, another reason does not lie in Jade Falcon being a big super faction. I have spoken with members of Steiner, whether loyalists, or mercs and simply there at the right time. But they all gave me the same story that more than once, Steiner players got tired of fighting the Clans, and stopped defending. Granted, they started fighting again a week later. This was in the hopes that the Jade Falcon players would get bored with Ghost drops and leave. Well, they forgot to take into account units like JFP, JFGG, R79T, and TFDV(I've never actually spoken to 420 or other major units, so I will not speak for them), who will simply drop for planets. Yeah, that lost a lot of planets on the Steiner side.

Another huge factor is Manpower. As I said before, most Clan loyalists are probably Jade Falcon. That is a huge factor when mercs and loyalists are factored into it. I know MischiefSC downgraded loyalists in one of his posts, but I think he is sadly misinformed. I AM a loyalist, and I know for a fact because I have watched it that we are not being carried(except with 228 every now and then. Anyways, that is a huge brunt of player power. Steiner on the other hand, holds roughly a 5th, maybe a 4th of the players in IS. That's a pretty big difference in player power.

Oh, and by the way, a couple friends in Jade Falcon and I want to break through Steiner to hit Marik and Liao. We want someone else to fight, and we're not in the mood for Kurita.

Edited by tiyos1017, 14 July 2016 - 12:14 AM.

[Daidachi]

I have some very fond memories of my time with Jade Falcon in FW 2.0, prior to joining a merc unit - looking at the map day by day and seeing the clan take Marik was awesome - seeing them take Sarna and wrap right around Terra so that they were engaged with every single IS house at once was amazing.

Dropping ceasefire to 5 minutes was good, but taking planets (not necessarily tagging them) in the current implementation of FW relies on being active across 2 phases - one to take the planet, and then another to hold it until the next ceasefire hits. In this scenario, having a playerbase that is active across multiple timezones is practically required in order to gain any momentum.

The leaderboards as they stand are not accurate, frankly. I'll always look at win/loss percentage (and even that can be manipulated via scouting) and k/d ratio over the ranking, since a team that spams matches can get higher than a team that's more casual but plays better quite easily.

As for population...it's been said by myself and others multiple times - just because a player has a faction alignment doesn't mean they play FW. I'd actually like to see more attractions for loyalists (and I say this as a merc) - but I'm frankly unsure if there's any point repeating ourselves, since we've all had the same broad consensus on at least that last point for donkeys, and yet the silence from PGI continues to be deafening.

[MischiefSC]

Pat Kell, on 13 July 2016 - 11:08 PM, said:

In all fairness though, most of the long tom issues occurred during the event. A lot of southerly movement was made prior to the event and with a few exceptions when people were trying it out and seeing what it was capable of, I think it has pretty much been kept in the closet for a fair portion of phase 3 due to many units having a sort of unspoken agreement to not bring this broken thing into matches (minus a certain small percentage of course:)).

Granted, a lot of movement was made during the event but I think a higher amount of planets was taken overall prior to the event. I think...could be wrong on that, we did move quite a ways south in 2 weeks.

You picked up almost 3 worlds a day for the event. Prior to that ghost drops alone were slowing you down. However the early days of LT are a big part of why most of Steiner quit and most the remaining IS hadn't bothered to go up there save suicide pugs, driving LT.

Not to belittle the accomplishments of the merc units who set up shop in CJF but let's be honest here - without the mercs in CJF they'd have 1 world, just like they did in CW 2. If they had most the mercs but not the LT they'd probably have half the worlds.

As I said. CJF in FW2 kicked a$$.

[Terrastras Rex]

Pat Kell, on 13 July 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:

Only look at the top ten loyalist units and then your statement is true. Sorry, I must have missed those parameters you were setting in your example.

Also of note, the top 14 loyalist teams on the IS side are ALL IS loyalists except for you guys and lets face it, the clans are typically going to be the ones taking planets....typically. There is some IS to IS planet switching going on but there are just so few clan planets to really attack until the clans start to push out from their original borders.

Please note that this is not intended to diminish or take away anything from the guys in 420. You guys are doing good work, keep it up. I just wanted the facts to be out there.

Aw Pat, but the Mercs already have everything they've asked for. They get enough special treatment, I have to include them in my smack-talking too? ;D ;D jokes

I was just trying to emphasize that "CJF are carried by Mercs" is not a viable response. Sry.

Anyways, this will be my last post in the IS threads. =D

Edited by Terrastras Rex, 14 July 2016 - 12:38 PM.

[Count Zero 74]

So you won't post the screenshots of your victories here? What thread will you put them in then? Just curious.

Edited by Count Zero 74, 14 July 2016 - 09:34 AM.

[MechPorn]

LOL, the team that needs to be carried by 228, kCom and -MS- is bragging on the forums about the success of 228, kCom and -MS- carrying them...

ok...

[Count Zero74]

Only 1 encounter tonight so credit where credit's due:



Well played gentlemen, guess my deck on the alt account wasn't good enough.

cu again on the battlefield.

[Count Zero 74]

[Carl Vickers]

Terrastras Rex, on 14 July 2016 - 03:54 AM, said:

Aw Pat, but the Mercs already have everything they've asked for. They get enough special treatment, I have to include them in my smack-talking too? ;D ;D jokes

I was just trying to emphasize that "CJF are carried by Mercs" is not a viable response. Sry.

Anyways, this will be my last post in the IS threads. =D

Very different attitude from the below

Terrastras Rex, on 09 July 2016 - 04:35 AM, said:

When the Frontline event ends, If MS and Kcom keep stealing 420 planets, we're going to target FRR again.


Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Crockdaddy]

KinLuu, on 07 July 2016 - 09:36 AM, said:

Bads? No, not really. But more uptight and close-lipped for sure. Especially at the EU-afternoon timeframe, which is the relevant for me.

In fact we went CJF instead of Steiner just so our EU guys would have an easier time grouping up for FP and our day time NA guys. Otherwise I thought it would be fun to help Steiner out for a week or two.

[justcallme A S H]

Carl Vickers, on 17 July 2016 - 08:54 PM, said:

Very different attitude from the below

UH OH

[P]

normally when i call drops, i would say "cut them down like dogs and push them off the cliff"

i had folks be mad coz i was asking for a drop commander during queue.
and he was like "we play to win" but nobody's calling it and he expects a win

awesome :/

[Cyrus Griswold Harrison]

Good God, I miss the NKVA!