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[Mad Dog Morgan]

A lot of head-scratching quirk changes that don't seem justified, at all.

[Racerxintegra2k]

I hate to say it but the "re-quirks" seem more more about buying new mechs than for balancing game play. It seems every time i buy a set of mechs it gets nerfed the next month. The bank is now closed for me. No point in purchasing something just to have it change on you.

[No One Lives Forever]

Racerxintegra2k, on 17 July 2016 - 11:08 AM, said:

I hate to say it but the "re-quirks" seem more more about buying new mechs than for balancing game play. It seems every time i buy a set of mechs it gets nerfed the next month. The bank is now closed for me. No point in purchasing something just to have it change on you.

It was always like that. A mech needs to have selling point to sell. Also, if there are enough good mechs to play with, not many people would buy new ones and expect them to be "better". But still, nearly all new mechs get nerfed after initial sale.

Some nerfs in this patch really don't make much sense. What's needed more is to buff some nearly extinct mechs, like Victors, Cataphracts. The ones they nerfed to **** and ones people don't play at all.

Edited by No One Lives Forever, 17 July 2016 - 11:27 AM.

[John Archer]

What good are decals and camo if a good portion of maps are night drops? A complete waste of money.

Hopefully you make the decals glow a bit..

[Black Rabbit of Inle]

The 1V... You nerfed the 1V...
1V.... The one V

*Twitch*

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=D7g0862r2qU

[Dee Eight]

pacifica812, on 17 July 2016 - 05:41 AM, said:

If someone who has just started playing MWO happen to have experience with first person shooters, or have a basic knowledge of team strategy, or have a very steady and precise hand, then those are his strongest attributes for being good at this game and will help him advance faster than others, however the amount of stuff in his inventory definitely won't matter that much.

Exactly...case in point, this guy's post... http://mwomercs.com/...upcoming-patch/

He's been playing ONE MONTH...he's gone from Tier 5 to a quarter way through Tier 2. He's got 20 years of FPS playing. He's done it with the locust, kodiak, blackjack and raven. He's spent money on mastery packs. Honestly I think he could do just as well in all the clan mechs without quirks. He clearly doesn't need quirks though his post is on the question of WHO exactly PGI is nerf/buffing the mechs for...what kind of player exactly they're trying to appease. According to the leaderboard he has 636 QP games, 1.8 KD ratio, 1.03 WL ratio. Ave match score 236. He's obviously spent some cbills on a heavy mech because he has 127 games in that class. He's got 263 in assaults, so he's spent most of his game time in those kodiaks.

SIX HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX QP games... say average 10 mins per game, 6360 minutes playing MWO. That's 106 hours in thirty days. I checked...he's done 55 faction games too. 41 total wins, 13 total losses, 103 kills and 70 deaths and 17 intel collected so he's probably mostly doing invasion mode. He's got 98 IS kills and 5 clan kills.

[M i s t y]

Rock Roller, on 17 July 2016 - 09:45 AM, said:

Guys I do get tired of profit bashing. No profit - No game. It's called Capitalism. I run 9 stores. If we don't earn a buck: No stores and no jobs and the goods and services we provide go away. Same for PGI.

And if you do not listen to all the complaints from customers , you will not have anyone enter your stores and you will go broke . no more profit for you

Edited by Mistydove, 17 July 2016 - 01:54 PM.

[Sevronis]

Major Lag, on 15 July 2016 - 11:30 PM, said:

Moar Powah to dem CLANS! Oh, wait. P2W for Kodiaks has worn off it seems (anyone actually believe the QUAC10 issue really was a bug??). Time to buy a new mechpack, maybe a medium this time? Viper's imminent.. you know?

Fitting the picture, the most dire threats to pilots enjoying their new P2W mechs has been eliminated by nerfing most lights through the ground and back into the molten core they originally came from.

This is not the kind of game I want to continue playing. Hoping for soonish decline of this approach and that someone with a clue takes over the rights to the franchise.

See you NOT on this games` battlefields anymore.

And do not let my tiny amount of Forum Warrior Fame fool you. I helped populate about 2,400 games as of the stats page.

And I, as well as other Founders, have been playing since closed beta four years ago. About 7,450 for me and going (which includes archived beta matches). And I'm sure there are many other founders with even more. Point is...


We have no f**** to give you.

Edited by Sevronis, 17 July 2016 - 02:07 PM.

[IG 88]

Meh.. I was hoping for the assault game mode update...
what I get is Nerf....

Edited by IG 88, 17 July 2016 - 02:41 PM.

[Dee Eight]

Sevronis, on 17 July 2016 - 02:07 PM, said:

About 7,450 for me and going (which includes archived beta matches).

I'll have past 7500 matches by thanksgiving probably. I'm now past 5k and I've been playing since Jan 4th.

[D V Devnull]

You've had more time than me. I'm only a short distance past 4.5k matches. I don't think I'll ever reach 6k, though. Not with how PGI keeps dooming MWO, one step at a time, towards final failure. I think they enjoy killing off non-'hardcore brawler' players' inclination to play MWO, based on how they're behaving. Sure doesn't look like they understand all the roles that Pilots are supposed to be able to take on in MWO, because many of their changes work against anyone but brawlers.

~D. V. "This is not 'brawlwarrior'. THIS IS MECHWARRIOR. Sadly, PGI doesn't appear to get that." Devnull




(p.s.: I'm noticing that I'm getting a little ramble-ish. I think I'll take a hike now.)

[PraetorGix]

IG 88, on 17 July 2016 - 02:37 PM, said:

Meh.. I was hoping for the assault game mode update...
what I get is Nerf....

F*ck, with all this raging I completely forgot about assault. Wasn't it coming this patch? What, the nerfing was to make us look the other way or something?

[D V Devnull]

PraetorGix, on 17 July 2016 - 04:43 PM, said:

F*ck, with all this raging I completely forgot about assault. Wasn't it coming this patch? What, the nerfing was to make us look the other way or something?

Yeah, that's 'Standard PGI' for you. Screw up and make the players angry to distract them, instead of keeping it kosher and admitting they couldn't get something out on time. It took a while, but it now makes me think of "Wheatley" from "Portal 2", and anyone that's watched their shenanigans knows how bad that was.

~D. V. "Wondering if anyone else gets the 'parallel'..." Devnull




[Edit by author to fix missed formatting.]

Edited by D V Devnull, 17 July 2016 - 05:06 PM.

[Aerei]

Blackjack and Warhammer are getting nerfed a lot. I felt the previous nerf of the Blackjack was quite sufficient--and the drop in how much it saw play should have reflected that. I don't think it needed more. I really don't think the Warhammer has had too much over representation either as of late. I don't mind nerfs or buffs in the name of balance, but these two mechs are looking to be pushed into mediocrity. That decreases the number of viable mechs, not the other way around.

PraetorGix, on 15 July 2016 - 07:54 PM, said:

LOL, cause only IS nerfs are bad huh? Guess what, Novas and cheetahs didn't need nerfing either. Ah but I guess clamz op right?

I probably shouldn't even be arguing this given the structure of your post, but realistically, the Nova is of a much higher echelon of quality right now than something like the Marauder or the Centurion (seriously, neither of them see much play, so I don't see the point). As for the Cheetah, it more or less escaped last patch unscathed, maybe PGI felt they missed a spot on the light mech nerf train. I mean, seriously--the cheetah and the locust were the only two light mechs seeing any real play, so they both predictably got nerfed; it isn't like PGI is going to go back on the light mech rescale regardless of who does or doesn't want it.

[Darth Futuza]

Quote

• Players can now scroll through Chat windows using the 'Page Up' and 'Page Down' keys while the Chat window is active.
• The 'End' key will take you to the most recent Chat window message while the Chat window is active.
• Fixed an issue where the 'Mech Destroyed and End of Round Chat windows could be filled with partially-typed messages.
• Fixed an issue where Chat history would not carry over between screens, such as in-game, 'Mech Destroyed, End of Round, etc.

Favorite part of the patch, but this should have been fixed foreeevvveeerrrrrr ago.

Edited by Darth Futuza, 17 July 2016 - 05:04 PM.

[Carl Vickers]

Dee Eight, on 17 July 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:

I'll have past 7500 matches by thanksgiving probably. I'm now past 5k and I've been playing since Jan 4th.

5k games and tier 4, Im calling shenanigans.

[Dee Eight]

I dragged the tier 5 bar to the very bottom while enjoying myself perfecting builds to my liking and being stuck with crap teams.

Edited by Dee Eight, 17 July 2016 - 07:31 PM.

[Tiantara]

- Hmm... Patch sounds interesting. I like some stuff from it... even that strange "supply cash" reward. I don,t really think that key cost is good, if chance of get equal reward is low, as it usually in such mechanic in many games used "treasure chest" or "support box". Also, the more key you buy, the slightly lower must be cost. One key - 25MC, ok... seems fair. But 10 keys must cost - 225-230MC, not 250. But, as I say before - we'll see.

- Also... Long Tom strike must be reduced to once in 5-6 min. It's support weapon, not main-caliber to bring chaos and destruction. Yes, lowering its power is nice... but when it blow behind mech (assaults and heavy mostly) it kill them in seconds. No armor... no inner structure... no reactor. Nice? Seems not. educing Long Tom shots to 1 per 5-6 min make game better.

- Now, about IS mech quirk down... Honestly, it's not such disaster as it was with mini map in previous patch, but still not a good decision. As previous event show - IS mech may be pretty good tool with mastered pilot skills and can outgun Clan mech in Faction War. But. Clan mech become more "newbie players" friendly. With not a great skill - they can easy beat most of present IS mech chassis. And that become a problem when game earn more "green, pug, casual and so on" players. They buy IS mech, and get really hard frustration feels when starting die to often before they even understand, that problem is in IS mech chassis bought without understanding it's weak points. Yes. Pro gamer and some of those who pretty well know bad and good sides of mech can play even in pug. But they count is pretty low. New gamers have no that knowledge. They pushed to buy Clan mech instead of balanced sides... or take IS and have death after death. Many mech totally disappear from play.
And in store they have no even mech clearage on IS and Clan mech. You can't see only clan or only IS mech in store - only weight and cost. New gamers buy mech cheaper... and if not lucky or buying but how that mech looks - they facing painful true. Some mech can be unplayable just because they can't competitive vs Clan or even some other IS mech.
Buying mech which nearly dead by nerfing and spending all c-bills - make new gamer really sad and thinking that game too hardcore to play. Event where in all faction active was only 3 - show that problem well. All just hooked after strong players who make a play and leave all other factions where disbalance of mech was too strong. Most of faction have no power to oppose Clan mech and now IS mech become even more vulnerable.
Situation become even worse, when player buy Hero mech... which become useless. And this is even bigger problem.

- But... I still hope everything would be fine! I have some mech to change priority and pick another model. Remade builds to new or put another engines... But I won't buy another 2 battlemaster until I try owned in battle after patch. It would be fun to search for new working builds...

- Hmm... anyway... for some time I won't pick IS faction. It's to hard play against Clan mech, which better in many position without compensating by "sheild-sword" mechanic. Clan mech faster, have longer range, more powerful weapon - that IS must have more armor, more weapon slots, and better cooling system. As I see now - using XL make IS mech easy target, many of chassis have too few weapon slot making them less powerful and still with worse cooling system. STD engine change situation, but not greatly.
About that... I have some ideas. When Clan XL side torso dead - mech lost part of it's speed. If IS XL-engine have same ability. but with more speed decreasing instead of mech one-shot - that greatly improve situation in better way. Because of greater Clan weapon range - IS XL mech die before battle even started. Even loosing 55% of speed when side torso destroyed, better than insta-kill. At least pilot can make 2-3 shots to enemy before mech torn apart. Especially now, when Clan weapon gets crit-chances and all other improvements. Yes... it's not like mechwarrior lore and canon... but now it become block not a feature. Mech playable only with XL engine become easy targets and can be forgotten forever. Even now in scouting mission I often hear about "not taking XL mech vs Clan" because it ruin match. Without some addiction protection that mech even with full armor become junk after clan weapons.

Edited by Tiantara, 17 July 2016 - 07:28 PM.

[Lance425]

Good patch PGI.

[Dee Eight]

I just went toe to toe with an atlas...i did 460 damage to his front with quad-10s... he didn't DIE...yet its the kodiak 3s that need a nerf ?! REALLY ?!

Please PGI....do enlighten us as to why those who spent money recently on the game... get this treatment while those who spent money YEARS ago still enjoy indestructible mechs ? Everyone assumes due to the pattern you display, that newish mechs are nerfed to sell newer mechs, but that doesn't explain why mechs that are even older continue to enjoy unfair advantages...

Edited by Dee Eight, 17 July 2016 - 08:03 PM.